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Anyone in NY see this recent law passed against DIY or non UL2271 packs for mobile vehicles?

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Came across this on the jag35 website...

NEW YORK residents:
On 3/2/2023 New York passed a law banning the sale of lithium-ion batteries for mobility devices that are not certified to UL 2271, and the assembly and reconditioning with cells removed from used batteries for commercial sale within the state of New York (more details here). New York residents, you are solely responsible for researching, understanding and complying with all pertinent regulatory rules, laws, statutes, and NY safety standards.

I have built packs for my riding mower as well as some golfcarts and see they appear to be making this harder for folks in NY in the future. I imagine if anything were to ever go wrong the person would be legally charged for breaking this law.
 
NY is very anti-solar. The utilities are constantly pushing you into wind power rather than solar. Most wind stations are located in west-central NY, nowhere near any sizable population centers. In more urban areas there are numerous regulations that work against solar and wind. 27c per kwh as well is pretty standard, higher for the con-ed regions near and in NYC. Utilities actually read the meters 4 times per year (in the summer mainly) and are fond of "estimating" your usage when they don't. The "estimates" are always considerably higher then your average bill for that time of year.
Most people are just getting solar installed now, but they are all grid tied, there are very few battery installations. No used panels since solar here only became a thing in the past 10 years or so. Horrible place to live.
 
Hogheavenfarm said:
NY is very anti-solar. The utilities are constantly pushing you into wind power rather than solar. Most wind stations are located in west-central NY, nowhere near any sizable population centers. In more urban areas there are numerous regulations that work against solar and wind. 27c per kwh as well is pretty standard, higher for the con-ed regions near and in NYC. Utilities actually read the meters 4 times per year (in the summer mainly) and are fond of "estimating" your usage when they don't. The "estimates" are always considerably higher then your average bill for that time of year.
Most people are just getting solar installed now, but they are all grid tied, there are very few battery installations. No used panels since solar here only became a thing in the past 10 years or so. Horrible place to live.
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Well Ny helped pay for half of my 11kw solar array on my house 4 years ago... but im in western NY..
 
There have been a number of bad fires in NYC from caused by charging li-ion battery packs used in low cost electric mopeds. These are used for delivery so the batteries are pushed hard, and frequently charged.
 
FDNY pushed for it, said they can't keep up with the fires caused by people charging e bikes and scooters in apartment buildings.
 
sale of lithium-ion batteries for mobility devices that are not certified to UL 2271, and the assembly and reconditioning with cells removed from used batteries for commercial sale
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Sounds like it applies to commercial sale and not building your own DIY lithium lawnmower.

I wonder if I could dodge the authorities by building all my packs on lawnmowers, and then park them up by my inverter and cord and plug connect them. "You Ell what? Sir, these are my garden tractors."
 
hwy17 said:
Sounds like it applies to commercial sale and not building your own DIY lithium lawnmower.

I wonder if I could dodge the authorities by building all my packs on lawnmowers, and then park them up by my inverter and cord and plug connect them. "You Ell what? Sir, these are my garden tractors."
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Well its was the jag35 diy second life store that I got the warning from.
 
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Good thing Florida energy storage battery rules are just being drafted now. I will call contact person listed on this rulemaking and see if we can have some kind of DIY solar battery exemption for personal use. Now might be the chance to make ourselves heard.
 
This don't look good.

National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)
www.nfpa.org

Residential Energy Storage System Regulations | NFPA

As home energy storage systems become more common, learn how they are protected
www.nfpa.org www.nfpa.org

The residential chapter of NFPA 855 addresses the installation of residential ESS units between 1kwh and 20 kwh. After individual units exceed 20kWh it will be treated the same as a commercial installation and must comply with the requirements of the rest of the standard. There are also limitations on how much total energy can be stored in certain areas of a household. If you go beyond those thresholds, then you need to comply with the requirements for commercial installations.
 
They really need to understand not all lithium ion is the same. Yes LFP can burn too but no where near the same as NMC.
 
They are going after tool batteries, scooters, and consumer grade. Hopefully LPF will have different rules from the Evil Li-Ion.

Sounds like someone needs to make and sell an inexpensive battery cabinet with a small HVAC for residential. They have them for commercial. Nice aluminum rack with big wheels on it.

Also if it is in a cabinet on wheels with a handle is it considered portable?
 
It just hit me after I posted last message. A box Trailer wired in like a generator through a transfer switch.

Only problem is DOT has Lithium rules... Ok, I like the shed idea.
 
AntronX said:
Install 20kWh, get inspected and install some more in hidden location in outside shed. Problem solved.
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The joke of it is someone could have two Hummer evs and 2*205kWh of batteries in the garage and nothing special needed. If they were serious they'd mandate automated extraction fans in attached garages.
 
BarracudaBob said:
They are going after tool batteries, scooters, and consumer grade. Hopefully LPF will have different rules from the Evil Li-Ion.

Sounds like someone needs to make and sell an inexpensive battery cabinet with a small HVAC for residential. They have them for commercial. Nice aluminum rack with big wheels on it.

Also if it is in a cabinet on wheels with a handle is it considered portable?
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Wheels=portable=code enforcement can f themselves
 
BarracudaBob said:
1 battery cabinet on wheels and 1 inverter cabinet, don't forget to mound a couple handles on there!
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I have an enclosed trailer which will prob be setup to hold batteries and inverters/sccs, and then have a 240/50A extension cord going to transfer switch at house panel. Same in reverse for grid power for charging. Mobile power house. Just need to insulate the batteries.
 
Called contact person listed in this notice of development of rulemaking. There will be a workshop scheduled within few weeks and we as interested stakeholders are welcome to participate. I will make an account on Florida administrative register website and sign up for alerts for rule 69A-73.001 Energy Storage Systems. I'd like to comment regarding distinction of different Li-ion battery chemistry types and their fire safety. Want to make sure they are aware that LFP is not the same as shitty Li-Po in cheap scooters. Also I'd like to see what can be done to increase 20 kWh limit without going commercial and possibility of DIY packs to be officially allowed.
 
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