Why I have trust issues on chinese products
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wpns
Solar Joules are catch and release
Some Amazon AC meters, cheap and useless.
wpns
Solar Joules are catch and release
Same meters on an APC (non-sinewave) UPS:
DudeInMyrtleBeach
New Member
Yep. Me too. Go to Harbor freight and sit 3 different tape measures side by side. You know what's gonna happen, lol.
CaliSunHarvester
Solar Enthusiast
Looking like random number generators.
wpns
Solar Joules are catch and release
The weird thing is that each of the colors match (though not each other). I have to wonder if they aren’t using the LED as a voltage reference?
I learned at a very young age to use the same tape measure to both check lengths and also to cut the pieces.
Using 2 different ones are troublesome as they tend to deviate from each other.
Been this way for atleast 35 years around here ^^.
Ampster
Renewable Energy Hobbyist
Yes, all you had to do was drop a tape measure and bend the end tab and it could be off by 1/16th or an 1/8th of an inch.
It's not "trust issues", it's common sense.
I've been buying stuff from China for well over a decade(not bothering to use a CC for half that time) and I thought my ability to distinguish a scammer from a honest seller was pretty good. I thought I was already in high-scammer-ratio space (electronic parts, often used, modular electronics, fpv etc) Until I started buying green energy products (inverters and batteries). As in every other field it seems 90% of sellers are genuine, maybe they try to get you small time on some extra charges etc. It appears that in solar/batteries the ratio is reversed. 90% seem hardcore scammers and the rare 10% that are honest are spoken of in hushed tones in fear scammers will learn their names and open lots of impersonating shops.
Very weird.
I've been buying stuff from China for well over a decade(not bothering to use a CC for half that time) and I thought my ability to distinguish a scammer from a honest seller was pretty good. I thought I was already in high-scammer-ratio space (electronic parts, often used, modular electronics, fpv etc) Until I started buying green energy products (inverters and batteries). As in every other field it seems 90% of sellers are genuine, maybe they try to get you small time on some extra charges etc. It appears that in solar/batteries the ratio is reversed. 90% seem hardcore scammers and the rare 10% that are honest are spoken of in hushed tones in fear scammers will learn their names and open lots of impersonating shops.
Very weird.
DPC
Solar Enthusiast
Just about everything made in China is based on part or whole copied western technology or products
Much was also said about the Japanese products in the 60s
But the Chinese almost make it an art form
To try and create true reproductions of things
When they do make a good copy of something it shines
When you ask for a cheap copy of something you get what you paid for
Somewhere in the middle I often find value in an inexpensive compromise.
I am generally happy with Chinese stuff
I am not sure I would buy any metering from eBay or Amazon from china
That looks like junk and at junk prices I would expect junk
Much was also said about the Japanese products in the 60s
But the Chinese almost make it an art form
To try and create true reproductions of things
When they do make a good copy of something it shines
When you ask for a cheap copy of something you get what you paid for
Somewhere in the middle I often find value in an inexpensive compromise.
I am generally happy with Chinese stuff
I am not sure I would buy any metering from eBay or Amazon from china
That looks like junk and at junk prices I would expect junk
I disagree, they copy but they never make it good, it's always cheaped out in a frustrating way. A friend got a Chinese mini excavator and with only 5 hours the front idler bearing failed. Others in the mini excavator forum are reporting bad hydraulic pumps and tracks. Not a large perce tags but a frustrating percentage.
I visited a local company that made Gensets based on Shipping Containers. They bought the kitted out containers from China at 1/8 of the UK price and unsurprisingly found quality issues. They then paid for inspection in China, that did not work either so then they sent them to the old UK supplier for inspection and rectification. That cost but it still made buying from China with UK rectification a 1/4 of the UK price which is still a huge saving.
DPC
Solar Enthusiast
A specific example of what I like about
I own 4 Chinese lawnmowers by mtd
They make a copy of the Honda gxv engine
It’s head and shoulders a better design and better quality build than an equivalent Briggs and Stratton engine
But what is unique is the 70mm bore it share common parts with other engines in my fleet
This adds value
Although these do not have after sales support for replacement parts by their nature close copies of Honda products with standard sized pistons ring gaskets and adds value
I can rebuild these engines from one basic parts set common to my snow blower and utility engine.
Standard parts is my main take away and cheap to buy based on a superior design and I don’t have to scrap it if it breaks.
That’s value to me
And yes some stuff is junk
But is it cheap?
A model T came from the factory with sand in the engine from casting and lose nuts and bolt
But it was cheap and these things were easy to fix and offered great value because the owner could easily repair and use it a long time
I own 4 Chinese lawnmowers by mtd
They make a copy of the Honda gxv engine
It’s head and shoulders a better design and better quality build than an equivalent Briggs and Stratton engine
But what is unique is the 70mm bore it share common parts with other engines in my fleet
This adds value
Although these do not have after sales support for replacement parts by their nature close copies of Honda products with standard sized pistons ring gaskets and adds value
I can rebuild these engines from one basic parts set common to my snow blower and utility engine.
Standard parts is my main take away and cheap to buy based on a superior design and I don’t have to scrap it if it breaks.
That’s value to me
And yes some stuff is junk
But is it cheap?
A model T came from the factory with sand in the engine from casting and lose nuts and bolt
But it was cheap and these things were easy to fix and offered great value because the owner could easily repair and use it a long time
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Daddy Tanuki
Solar Wizard
DPC
Solar Enthusiast
Wanda bet?
This is a Chinese’s made copy of a gx 200 made in China for Honda to sell to through the dealer network to compete with other Chinese engines
Advantage is I can use any combination of Chinese or item parts to fix it
This share a significant number of interchangeable parts with that Honda engine
And if you think a Briggs and Stratton engine is better
Remember that Chinese engine had a cast iron bore and ball bearings
The Briggs dies not.
So why would you buy that inferior engine?
I used to build engines for karts and mini flat track
Chinese engines revolutionized the sport by dropping the cost bringing in interchangeable parts and opening up an aftermarket for high quality, and in some cases parts superior to Honda or Briggs oem
Case in point….
In the mid 80s Honda dealer would charge me close to 100 dollars for an OEM connecting for the engines we raced
Today I can get this Far superior billet connecting rod clone/Honda engines
And it’s cheaper
This is a Chinese’s made copy of a gx 200 made in China for Honda to sell to through the dealer network to compete with other Chinese engines
Advantage is I can use any combination of Chinese or item parts to fix it
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This share a significant number of interchangeable parts with that Honda engine
And if you think a Briggs and Stratton engine is better
Remember that Chinese engine had a cast iron bore and ball bearings
The Briggs dies not.
So why would you buy that inferior engine?
I used to build engines for karts and mini flat track
Chinese engines revolutionized the sport by dropping the cost bringing in interchangeable parts and opening up an aftermarket for high quality, and in some cases parts superior to Honda or Briggs oem
Case in point….
In the mid 80s Honda dealer would charge me close to 100 dollars for an OEM connecting for the engines we raced
Today I can get this Far superior billet connecting rod clone/Honda engines
And it’s cheaper
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hugemoth
Solar Enthusiast
I've had great service from Chinese motorcycles. Bought a Lifan 200cc dual sport in 2007 and sold it a couple years ago with 53,000 miles. The engine was an up sized copy of a Honda CG125 and it never missed a beat. I also have a Lifan 140cc powered Trail 90, a 170cc (Lifan engine) Chinese scooter, and a couple WEN inverter generators, all trouble free.
SoggyShoes
Solar Enthusiast
That is wierd. It is almost like each color was made in batches. So those made in the same batch are consistent but none are accurate.
Andrewr05
[Replicant 42069]
As long as you use the same tape measure for the whole project then it isn't really a problem
DPC
Solar Enthusiast
Motor cycle engines are something the Chinese copied a long time ago
And they had years to modify and refine their versions of engines like the GY6 ( now used world wide on scooters and buggy’s )
A buyer of a scooter in the third world or Canada knows he can fix it and pretty easily but parts for it
These may not be the same as true Honda engines anymore but they share a family resemblance and still some parts
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DPC
Solar Enthusiast
Probably was made in batches and you probably hit the nail on the head about why quality controls are so bad on that part
Chinese electronics are something I have little faith in
I shy away from Chinese ignitions on gx engines and replace them with Honda because they do things most people would not find objectionable on a mower… but really piss you off on the track.
One place qualified trumps cost….
DudeInMyrtleBeach
New Member
Some of us... lose them. A lot. I actually taped a bluetooth tile to my favorite one. Yes, it's that bad.As long as you use the same tape measure for the whole project then it isn't really a problem
hwy17
Anti-Solar Enthusiast
Only my wife can see tape measures, if it's not in my hand I gotta go get her to help.Some of us... lose them. A lot. I actually taped a bluetooth tile to my favorite one. Yes, it's that bad.
robbob2112
Doing more research, mosty harmless
I probably have 20 of them from when I worked at a home depot in college.Funny you're talking about tape measures now. I just misplaced mine today. No clue where I put it
Guess how many I can locate on a given day? Hint - I am married
42OhmsPA
What's in a title?
My Lifan Xpect has been great. I've abused it down the highway commuting back and forth to work ~57mph for a few thousand miles now, turns ~5700 rpm at that speed. All I've done is a few valve adjustments, oil changes, a front sprocket change and magnetic drain plug.
Also my Wen GN400i has been flawless.
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