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Got a look at my setup with a thermal imager and found a hotspot and a problem

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Finally remembered to bring the thermal imager with me to the 5er. Powered everything up and was pulling 300A. All the wires and connectors up to the cutoff switch were cool as a cucumber. The shunt and 400A type T fuse showed a little heat but nothing concerning. First hot spot was at the disconnect switch, which is weird. The actual connections on the switch were getting warm (not hot). They are connected with 1/4" tinned copper bus bar so not sure why they are getting hot. Will have to investigate.

The 4/0 wires for the inverter were getting hot as usual. Will double them up soon. The huge surprise was the BattleBorn surge current limiter. That thing was so hot that it nearly burned my fingers when I touched it. It has always been tucked away and not reachable so I never knew how hot it got. Putting the imager on it, there were 150+ deg F hot spots where the FETS touch the giant aluminum heat sync and the whole thing was HOT to the touch. That thing must be burning up hundreds of watts to heat. Even at half power, it was warm and wasting my precious Ah. Very irritating.

Not sure what I'm gonna do about it. I did do an experiment to see if having 4xSOK batteries requires the surge limiter. Interestingly, my two new batteries did not go into protect when I powered up the system. But the two older batteries did. So I ordered two new BMS's from SOK to see if that solves the problem. I definitely will be getting rid of the BB surge current limiter. Might have to reinstall my precharge circuit.

Would really like to know what that surge current limiter is doing after the initial startup. Maybe it isn't smart enough to remove itself from the current path after the initial surge to the inverter. Then it just becomes a furnace.
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Interesting. I wonder if it is working correctly? Have no experience with them and it does not list what voltage or current is is designed to be used with.


It is very specific about the grounding and how to do it. The case of it is designed to not be attached to ground at all.

 

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According to the description, the BattleBorn surge current limiter is a precharge circuit (limits inrush current to inverter when you first connect the battery). Seems like the cutout circuit isn't working. I would remove it, and manually use it (touch the wires to inverter and battery) when needed.

The 120 degree switch is a concern too. Maybe replace it with a large breaker (use as a switch, not as a breaker).
 
According to the description, the BattleBorn surge current limiter is a precharge circuit (limits inrush current to inverter when you first connect the battery). Seems like the cutout circuit isn't working. I would remove it, and manually use it (touch the wires to inverter and battery) when needed.

The 120 degree switch is a concern too. Maybe replace it with a large breaker (use as a switch, not as a breaker).
The issue with manual precharge is it only works when I activate it. It does not work when my wife turns on too much stuff and the inverter resets and when it powers back on all the batteries go into protect and I am off running an errand and my wife has no power in the 5er.
 
Ok, I doubled up all the wires going from the Lynx to the inverter. All temps are good now except the cutoff switch. The cutoff switch is still @ 120 deg F, so I ordered a Cole Hersee switch that someone recommended to me. Good news is the BattleBorn surge limiter is much cooler now, too. Max temp on the FETs was 130 deg F and the aluminum heat sync was just warm now vs. very hot.

I measured the voltage drop across the BB surge limiter and at 302mA while pulling 325A (4100W). So about 98W. That's about 2% loss. At 134A the voltage drop was 108mV so about 14W which is about a 0.8% loss. That'll do, donkey.

I think I am finally happy with the wires and connectors.
 
The issue with manual precharge is it only works when I activate it. It does not work when my wife turns on too much stuff and the inverter resets and when it powers back on all the batteries go into protect and I am off running an errand and my wife has no power in the 5er.

And that is exactly why I do it this way.....
 

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