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Ped said:
If the prices rise that much it opens up opportunity for local stores to open and undercut.
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A friend of mine has been trying to build a home brewing supply store. I can tell you it isn't that simple, particularly for brick-and-mortar. They need to sign leases and commit for a period of time to recoup up-front costs of opening. They'd need assurance they can remain competitive for years. Selling online isn't easier. The small ones don't have the pricing advantage in shipping to negotiate competitive contracts.

You are describing natural price theory in a truly competitive environment. The larger ones can dump and trigger consolidation periodically to clean out those tiny competitors.
 
The difference is they havent raised prices. I said after they do stores can and will come back.

What youre saying is why Im a strong supporter that private property should be outlawed and is the most disgusting policies there could be. It makes it very difficult to prosper just paying for the cost of living let alone opening a small business on top if it.
 
erik.calco said:
I'd say that is the only good explanation on why they are the only eCommerce site I know of that requires you to give them a credit card before they will estimate shipping.

I just tried to retest this to verify it hasn't changed in an incognito window (so I was "anonymous"). It would not even allow me to add to cart without giving a valid phone number. So, I could not even get far enough to verify if I could get a shipping estimate without entering a credit card number.

EDIT: With same browser, I tried to add another item. It let me. But, when I tried to view my cart, wanted me to log in or create an account, which required an email or mobile number. I didn't get passed the email verification, so I changed it to a valid email address I could receive email to:

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It then wanted my full valid address for shipping. Not just a zip code to estimate. OK, so I gave it Investigator Joe's address. And... we're back to it demanding a phone number. Still no shipping estimate, even though it has far more the info it needs to provide it.

I gave it Investigator Joe's phone number, which didn't have to be a verifiable mobile number this time. And finally, got a shipping estimate so I can compare the true cost of this item to the thousands more just like it:

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Congratulations, you no longer need to give them your credit card number to get a shipping estimate. You do have to give them a valid email or mobile number which you have to receive their code at, your full address, and your phone number if you gave them an email the first time.
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Everything I ordered had free shipping, but this is good for people to know.
 
MrNatural22 said:
We live in a rural area with few options for purchases other than Wallyworld.
Most everything is much higher priced
including fuel, auto parts, electronics, clothing, etc. I purchase 99% of my auto parts thru Amazon because of lower cost and it’s delivered to my house. Even clothes, tools, solar items, household maintenance items, hardware and most every thing we need has been easily ordered and the prime membership means we never pay anything for shipping almost always 2day. Any problems have been resolved quickly and satisfactorily.
Sometimes the return is not required and replacement items are sent quickly. In 12 years we have never had any problems. Buying has save us hundreds in fuel and hassles to drive into the city 60 miles away. The prime membership pays for itself it shipping alone. We also enjoy the netflix like video streaming as part of that deal. IMP Walmart is a bigger invasion into your privacy than most. Your followed by cameras from the parking lot throughout your shopping trip and back to your car. So are big box stores everyone patronizes every day.
Not everyone has good experiences as consumers, Amazon shopping included.
For our needs it works well.✌
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I wish they treated me like that. I still haven't heard back from them with multiple calls. I usually buy locally. Home Depot/Lowes, and then there's Ebay or other private sellers online. I am being forced to do the latter because of Amazon's ineptitude.
 
erik.calco said:
@MrNatural22
Do you worry at all that Amazon is putting your local choices out of business, and that one day, Amazon prices won't be so ideal and you won't have too many options to turn to? I personally miss Radio Shack and Sears.
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@erik.calco Walmart has been the culprit on that and the small town closest to us has inflated prices on most everything beyond what other area cities charge. Gas is .40 per gal higher, fast food chain stores charge higher prices than nationally advertised, the other big name grocery store has higher prices than their other
Stores. The local big name hardware store is the only one with competitive prices but we buy our lumber from the local mom and pop lumber yard even though they are only a small bit higher but give that old fashioned friendly service disappearing these days, to support their local business.
This county is one of the very few that charge sales tax on groceries?
We are basicly right near the county line so I avoid buying groceries locally unless they are minor needed items.
We food shop in the city to our west with no sales tax on food when we are their for other business.
The big city to the west of us is expanding rapidly to many’s dismay but it’s inevitable as we become an easy commute for growing giants.

I’m not concerned about Amazon or EBay putting the local scalpers out of business, they are doing that all by themselves. ✌
BTW I do miss radio shack. Loved that place since childhood.
 
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Santa said:
We will be soon in Commiefornia. Actually, I think they tax home solar now?
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So now controlling natural resources and selling it back to people is both communist and capitalist. Can we make up our minds?
 
erik.calco said:
@MrNatural22
Do you worry at all that Amazon is putting your local choices out of business, and that one day, Amazon prices won't be so ideal and you won't have too many options to turn to? I personally miss Radio Shack and Sears.
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^^I just saw another store closed (Bed bath beyond), Rite Aid closed before that, other business before that near me. Sears and Radio Shack-yes, I miss them too.
 
Santa said:
I never said it was capitalistic.
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I said it was wrong to do it and was called a communist as well its broadly percieved to be capitalist and wholesome. (While clearly being one of the greatest assaults to human freedom and free markets ever divised)
 
Ped said:
So now controlling natural resources and selling it back to people is both communist and capitalist. Can we make up our minds?
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Abolishing private property, what you suggested in the context of consumers of Amazon vs mom and pop stores, is 100% communist.

Opposing monopolies is neither communist or capitalist. Free market price theory does not suggest that monopolies are good for anyone except the monopolists. In the USA, the railroads were the early textbook example. Monopolies are NOT free markets with or without the law opposing them. Monopolies, like communism, are in direct opposition to free markets.

I don't believe the super rich like Bezos, Buffet and Bloomberg put idealogy over the value of coin. They'll get richer any way they can, whether through communism, capitalism, monopolies or taxes and regulation. You put it all together with corrupt powers at the top, and you have crony capitalism... what we see in one form or another in varying degrees in Russia, China, the EU, South America and the USA.

This is why I try to avoid left vs right, capitalism vs communism, debates. But, abolishing private property... that's communism.
 
Ped said:
I said it was wrong to do it and was called a communist as well its broadly percieved to be capitalist and wholesome. (While clearly being one of the greatest assaults to human freedom and free markets ever divised)
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You were only referred to as communist because you said "private property should be outlawed". How is this not communist?

The context was prices and Amazon vs mom and pop stores.
 
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You were only referred to as communist because you said "private property should be outlawed". How is this not communist?

The context was prices and Amazon vs mom and pop stores.
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Thats statement is orwellian

You brought the extreme costs to start a business and to compete blaming amazons success instead arbitrary costs of living and starting a business. The primary reason for difficulty of starting a business is we all have to pay huge prices just to live then even bigger prices to have land and taxes for a building for doing business, and even higher prices for wages due to the cost of living.

How does that have anything to do with all industry being ran by the government? Where in any communist country are people able to use land to live and start a business freely? Its the complete opposite. Again no one is comfortable with having to pay for sun or wind. That would be absurd.

Its literally the definition of anti-free market. It keeps prices inflated and the vast majority out of competition.
 
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erik.calco said:
Abolishing private property, what you suggested in the context of consumers of Amazon vs mom and pop stores, is 100% communist.

Opposing monopolies is neither communist or capitalist. Free market price theory does not suggest that monopolies are good for anyone except the monopolists. In the USA, the railroads were the early textbook example. Monopolies are NOT free markets with or without the law opposing them. Monopolies, like communism, are in direct opposition to free markets.

I don't believe the super rich like Bezos, Buffet and Bloomberg put idealogy over the value of coin. They'll get richer any way they can, whether through communism, capitalism, monopolies or taxes and regulation. You put it all together with corrupt powers at the top, and you have crony capitalism... what we see in one form or another in varying degrees in Russia, China, the EU, South America and the USA.

This is why I try to avoid left vs right, capitalism vs communism, debates. But, abolishing private property... that's communism.
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Youre arguing a propaganda word salad here.

Communism and capitalism appropriate personal property. Things people work to make, build, harvest are taken by the state or by the capitalist (effectively the same thing) for themselves. You work for them, not yourself as you have no other choice.

The way that they create these quasi-slave systems is by keeping citizens off of land. Either through outright abolishment of land holding or virtually through private property (commoditization beyond mosts abilities to pay for). the texhnocal differences are irrelevant, the ends are that most people have no means to participate in the market economy.

Thats how you end up with a country with mass monopolization by mega billionaires and 70-90% of the population homeless, like the US.
 
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AMAZON SUCKS!

(restoring focus on this very critical topic)

If you'd like to discuss the "70-90% of the population homeless, like the US" statement you just made, @Ped , I can give you my BTC address so you can purchase more time.
 
erik.calco said:
AMAZON SUCKS!

(restoring focus on this very critical topic)

If you'd like to discuss the "70-90% of the population homeless, like the US" statement you just made, @Ped , I can give you my BTC address so you can purchase more time.
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TY. I was happy to find this forum, and until a day or so ago, it was just about solar and related tech. No politics to be found, and it was great.

I'd like to ask everyone if we could leave ALL politics and non-tech related subjects at the door, and get back to what this forum is all about.
 
Rider said:
TY. I was happy to find this forum, and until a day or so ago, it was just about solar and related tech. No politics to be found, and it was great.

I'd like to ask everyone if we could leave ALL politics and non-tech related subjects at the door, and get back to what this forum is all about.
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Where is their politics in here? We are discussing economics.
 
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- If you clicked on this topic hoping to learn about bus bars.... clicker beware.
- If you clicked on this topic because you thought Amazon rants was a place to test meds re-balancing....

There's an ignore button?!? No way! LOL
 
erik.calco said:
AMAZON SUCKS!

(restoring focus on this very critical topic)

If you'd like to discuss the "70-90% of the population homeless, like the US" statement you just made, @Ped , I can give you my BTC address so you can purchase more time.
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Feel free to pm me and we can debate
 
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