Watching 'Stupid' In Action...

I guess Murphy is so much smarter than all the scientists in the American Geophysical Union ......

From the article I posted earlier:
The Voyager 2 probe, which left Earth in 1977, has become the second human-made object to leave our Solar System.
It was launched 16 days before its twin craft, Voyager 1, but that probe's faster trajectory meant that it was in "the space between the stars" six years before Voyager 2.
The news was revealed at the American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting in Washington.
And chief scientist on the mission, Prof Edward Stone, confirmed it.



Wait ... what was the title of this thread ..... WATCHING STUPID IN ACTION

It was really nice of Murphy to give us a first hand account of how stupid works.

Smartest most well thought out and informed post from, Murphy ????????

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MurphyGuy said:

You two really have no knowledge or concept of this stuff. You google something, see a headline, and you're too lazy to even read the damn page.. In other words, you're a moron. Maybe you two should get a room together?

Voyager one, the furthest away, has crossed the termination shock wave boundary, the technical term is Heliopause.. the Heliopause is the boundary were the sun's outward pressure (caused by the solar winds) is in equilibrium with the pressure from the interstellar medium. In 4th grade terminology, that means the sun is blowing a wind and the wind coming from the other direction has just enough force to stop it. How do we know it has crossed that boundary? Because the particles sort of pile up and become more dense. A good, albeit inaccurate metaphor, would be the bow shock wave in front of a boat. The water kind of piles up as the boat plows through the water.

So voyager has entered space where the interstellar medium is the dominate environment and not the stuff coming from our own Sun. This means that Voyager1 is experiencing extremely high energy particle radiation.. but that's all it means. No, I'm not going to explain what particle radiation is because you have absolutely no chance of understanding it. The heliopause a big deal, a big accomplishment for humanity, but the Heliopause is not the boundary of our solar system, not even remotely close.. Nor is it in any way shape or form a line being crossed that could "spread life thru our galaxy" (see screenshot attached).

From the inside out: Our solar system consists of the Sun at the center.. (YES, the sun is at the center and everything orbits around it, its not fake news, its fact) then the inner planets, an asteroid belt, the outer planets, another asteroid belt (Kuiper Belt) and then the Oort cloud, which is just another bunch of asteroids but because there's a big empty space we give it a different name. The Oort cloud is also not a flat(ish) disc, which is why we refer to it as a cloud and not a belt.
All of these are gravitationally bound to the Sun and constitute the whole of our solar system. The official definition of a solar system is everything that orbits it due to the star's gravity.

Voyager 1 has about another.. hmm.. 200 to 300? years before it even reaches the inner boundary of the Oort cloud.. and the Oort cloud is huge.. very dispersed, but huge.. It will take Voyager 1 another.. hmm.. 20,000 years probably? to exit the Oort cloud. 20K is arguable because there is no hard boundary for the Oort cloud..

After that, it probably has another 80,000 years, if it was traveling in the right direction, which it isn't, to get to the next closest star so it can "Spread life thru the Galaxy" (ROFLMAO)

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Yea but at some point it's gotta fall off the flat plane, it can't just keep going on for ever and ever and ever you know since it's flat it's gonna leave our solar system and fall off onto another one.

MurphyGuy said:

Voyager 1 has entered interstellar space, it has not left our solar system and asking if it could contaminate the galaxy with life is like asking if an ant crawling across your living room floor could be responsible for killing John F. Kennedy..

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But what if that ants antcestor was crawling across the grassy knoll and bit the gunman which caused him to pull the trigger prematurely? Wouldn't it be partly responsible?

MurphyGuy said:

Its f*cking stupid and shows a total lack of knowledge, which both of you have displayed in spectacular ways.. and I suspect will continue to display.

You should not partake in any conversation regarding science.. ever.. and especially nothing regarding astronomy or space. Stick to religion.. much simpler.

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I just got done worshiping the space aliens and praying to ther sunz that you'll understand everything I said in this post was meant to be completely comical in the spirit of the thread title.

For ?


"This means missions to higher category bodies require more sterilisation to ensure fewer potential contaminates travel. It can also affect end-of-life-plans for missions. Nasa’s Juno probe will be crashed into Jupiter this July in order to avoid potential contamination of Europa or any of the other moons."

? ? Yup another thread I should have stayed out of.
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Bob B said:

I guess Murphy is so much smarter than all the scientists in the American Geophysical Union ......

From the article I posted earlier:
The Voyager 2 probe, which left Earth in 1977, has become the second human-made object to leave our Solar System.
It was launched 16 days before its twin craft, Voyager 1, but that probe's faster trajectory meant that it was in "the space between the stars" six years before Voyager 2.
The news was revealed at the American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting in Washington.
And chief scientist on the mission, Prof Edward Stone, confirmed it.



Wait ... what was the title of this thread ..... WATCHING STUPID IN ACTION

It was really nice of Murphy to give us a first hand account of how stupid works.

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This is your problem Bob.. You are so utterly stupid, you think you can get on google, type in a few phrases, find an article that tells you what you want to hear, and then post it as fact.
I've watched you do this with the covid virus, climate change information, as well as every other subject you partake in. There is no way anyone will ever convince me that such behavior is NOT a mental illness.. It is most certainly a sign you are lonely, isolated, and have probably been rejected by everyone in your life.

In all fairness Bob, its not entirely your fault. A lot of information sources on the web aren't compiled for the educated, they're made for the dumb masses who don't understand much beyond grade school science. Really, the USA has fell behind a lot of other countries on our public's understanding of science, and you're a perfect example of it. To compound the problem, since NASA relies on public funding, they have to sometimes prop up their accomplishments when it comes to public consumption. So their public relations communication will dumb down their accomplishments so people like you will get excited, and that means more funding.

The real problem is that you're so ignorant you don't see this effect.. but it shows in everything from the virus problems to space travel in your postings.
And it is why you asked such a ridiculously dumb question "Could our space probes be spreading life thru the galaxy"...

Yea, busted Bob.. You have the IQ of fart...

So I took it upon myself to find the correct information for you.. You won't ever thank me for it because your pride and narcissistic proclivities won't allow you to ever admit being wrong.. Unlike you Bob, I don't argue about things I know nothing about.. You and your cute little friend are just stupid.. too stupid to understand anything related to science, and WAY to stupid to understand anything related to space or astronomy.

And one other thing Bob.. THEY ARE MOST CERTAINLY NOT CONTAMINATING THE GALAXY WITH LIFE you moron. (see attached)

So here it is, straight from the NASA mission page for Voyager

“Voyager has a very special place for us in our heliophysics fleet,” said Nicola Fox, director of the Heliophysics Division at NASA Headquarters. “Our studies start at the Sun and extend out to everything the solar wind touches. To have the Voyagers sending back information about the edge of the Sun’s influence gives us an unprecedented glimpse of truly uncharted territory.”

While the probes have left the heliosphere, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 have not yet left the solar system, and won’t be leaving anytime soon. The boundary of the solar system is considered to be beyond the outer edge of the Oort Cloud, a collection of small objects that are still under the influence of the Sun’s gravity. The width of the Oort Cloud is not known precisely, but it is estimated to begin at about 1,000 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun and to extend to about 100,000 AU. One AU is the distance from the Sun to Earth. It will take about 300 years for Voyager 2 to reach the inner edge of the Oort Cloud and possibly 30,000 years to fly beyond it.



Go ahead Bob, try to come back from that..

Never argue with an idiot, they're too stupid to know when they've lost.

You should have picked a different argument Bob because astronomy and physics ARE my wheelhouse.

I would like to thank Will for including an "Unwatch" button.

MurphyGuy said:

This is your problem Bob.. You are so utterly stupid, you think you can get on google, type in a few phrases, find an article that tells you what you want to hear, and then post it as fact.
I've watched you do this with the covid virus, climate change information, as well as every other subject you partake in. There is no way anyone will ever convince me that such behavior is NOT a mental illness.. It is most certainly a sign you are lonely, isolated, and have probably been rejected by everyone in your life.

In all fairness Bob, its not entirely your fault. A lot of information sources on the web aren't compiled for the educated, they're made for the dumb masses who don't understand much beyond grade school science. Really, the USA has fell behind a lot of other countries on our public's understanding of science, and you're a perfect example of it. To compound the problem, since NASA relies on public funding, they have to sometimes prop up their accomplishments when it comes to public consumption. So their public relations communication will dumb down their accomplishments so people like you will get excited, and that means more funding.

The real problem is that you're so ignorant you don't see this effect.. but it shows in everything from the virus problems to space travel in your postings.
And it is why you asked such a ridiculously dumb question "Could our space probes be spreading life thru the galaxy"...

Yea, busted Bob.. You have the IQ of fart...

So I took it upon myself to find the correct information for you.. You won't ever thank me for it because your pride and narcissistic proclivities won't allow you to ever admit being wrong.. Unlike you Bob, I don't argue about things I know nothing about.. You and your cute little friend are just stupid.. too stupid to understand anything related to science, and WAY to stupid to understand anything related to space or astronomy.

And one other thing Bob.. THEY ARE MOST CERTAINLY NOT CONTAMINATING THE GALAXY WITH LIFE you moron. (see attached)

So here it is, straight from the NASA mission page for Voyager

NASA’s Voyager 2 Probe Enters Interstellar Space - NASA

For the second time in history, a human-made object has reached the space between the stars. NASA’s Voyager 2 probe now has exited the heliosphere – the

www.nasa.gov

“Voyager has a very special place for us in our heliophysics fleet,” said Nicola Fox, director of the Heliophysics Division at NASA Headquarters. “Our studies start at the Sun and extend out to everything the solar wind touches. To have the Voyagers sending back information about the edge of the Sun’s influence gives us an unprecedented glimpse of truly uncharted territory.”

While the probes have left the heliosphere, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 have not yet left the solar system, and won’t be leaving anytime soon. The boundary of the solar system is considered to be beyond the outer edge of the Oort Cloud, a collection of small objects that are still under the influence of the Sun’s gravity. The width of the Oort Cloud is not known precisely, but it is estimated to begin at about 1,000 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun and to extend to about 100,000 AU. One AU is the distance from the Sun to Earth. It will take about 300 years for Voyager 2 to reach the inner edge of the Oort Cloud and possibly 30,000 years to fly beyond it.



Go ahead Bob, try to come back from that..

Never argue with an idiot, they're too stupid to know when they've lost.

You should have picked a different argument Bob because astronomy and physics ARE my wheelhouse.

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Bob B said:

Domestic Terrorist

No.........Johneb your right, he is a troll. He is a VERY lonely person and has nothing better to do but troll. Its kinda sad if you think about it. Lol.

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Instead of acknowledging your error, you decide to double down?

LeoThomson said:

Instead of acknowledging your error, you decide to double down?

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I am merely posting science articles ... I know they are hard for you to understand.

Bob B said:

I am merely posting science articles ... I know they are hard for you to understand.

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He got you on a technicality, why don't you just admit it?

LeoThomson said:

He got you on a technicality, why don't you just admit it?

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Guess you didn't look at what the scientists, NASA, MIT, Smithsonian have to say about it.

Bob B said:

Guess you didn't look at what the scientists, NASA, MIT, Smithsonian have to say about it.

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Where did life on earth come from?

42OhmsPA said:

? ? Yup another thread I should have stayed out of.
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hahaha

LeoThomson said:

Where did life on earth come from?

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Uranus U r anus?

LeoThomson said:

He got you on a technicality, why don't you just admit it?

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No, it wasn't a technicality.. at least not in the sense you're implying.

1st.. lets not change the focus of the discussion.. In no way shape or forum could we "contaminate the galaxy with life from our space probes".. That is the original statement that started this.. (see attached) I laughed at his gross and comical ignorance and he got offended and started looking for anything to back up his statement in any way that could render it a reasonable question to any degree.. This was his defense mechanism, and it is his MO (mode of operation) anytime he says something ridiculously stupid, which is often. He simply changes the argument, points it in a different direction, and then proclaims some obscure technical detail makes him correct.

2nd.. I didn't get him on a technicality, I simply showed him that the solar system, as described by a dictionary and science, does not end at the boundary of the solar wind. In fairness, one could call that a technicality, but science is a technical subject. The real problem is that the term Oort Cloud is new to Bob.. he probably spent time googling it because he thinks that being able to google something means one is an expert in everything one can google. Come to think of it, Heliopause and Termination Shock Wave Boundary are also probably all new to him. I suspect he probably spent the entire day on google.

The really sad part of this, is that instead of asking questions to learn something from someone who is a relative expert in this field (that's me as an amateur astronomer), he decided to use google. And he doesn't even use google correctly.. He types in "Voyager 1 has left the solar system", and gets articles from news media and public relations pages that back up his propensity for confirmation bias.

What he should have done is to just type in "Voyager 1 mission" to get all the relevant information.. Unfortunately, at his level of ignorance, anything that mentions a technical term would then also have to be googled.. It would take him weeks to get a full comprehension of the subject so he could argue about it.. and no F*ing way will Bob spend weeks learning anything.. That's never ever going to happen.

This is the problem with people like Bob.. and he's not unique or even rare by any measure. We use to joke back in the 80's and 90's that "now that discovery channel is here, everyone is an expert". That has changed, and now its google instead of the discovery channel. Same principle.

The root cause of a lot of these problems is that our media sources dumb things down... and when it comes to our general population, who possess the scientific understanding of a ten year old child, they have to dumb things down so far that they become inaccurate. Like my example about the bow shock in front of a boat.. it conveys the idea (sort of), but it is inaccurate.. it is also required because you can't teach a dumb monkey calculus.
In fact, when I argue with these idiots, I'm very careful these days of what and how I say things. Trying to convey information to them is almost always taken out of context due to their gross ignorance.

3rd.. Its Bob.. He's an expert in everything remember? He doesn't know jack squat about science, but he's an expert in global warming, virology, immunology, and now space probes that might "contaminate the galaxy with life"..

Okay.. Building a barn and have to go back to work.. damn hot and muggy outside and it sucks.

is the solar system in the galaxy? Are we in a universe. When you have your head up your butt what happens when you fart?

LeoThomson said:

Where did life on earth come from?

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The consensus on this subject is starting to shift to "almost anywhere"

Where did life on earth come from, is a bit like asking where house dust comes from. It doesn't come from, nor is it required to come from, a singular source.

Most in this field are starting to think that life is inevitable in any location capable of supporting life that is stable for long enough for it to develop.

So for example.. Here on earth, our planet is bombarded by solar radiation, meteors, and our moon causes our core to slosh around, which also creates volcanic activity. Our sun bathes us in UV radiation from the long wave stuff, all the way up to the harmful short wave..

It is entirely possible that life on Earth took longer to develop than in other places.. and the reverse could also be true.. that even though we have all these problems, they speed things up.

Its a controversy without any good answers, and its going to remain that way until we send a probe to one of the sub surface oceans on the ice planets. If we find life there, it will answer a trove of questions (probably), and if we don't, it will also answer a trove of questions (probably).

Depends on what kind of life if we find it.

Humans have a strong propensity to seek out answers to our questions.. It's what separates us from the animals. The problem is, in the absence of good answers, we tend to accept bad ones.. _Not sure where that came from.

They flat out admit that they dont even have an accurate estimate of the extent of the Oort Cloud.
Youre criticizing others quoting reliable references, but its obvious all youve done is shop Google results until you found the article which supports your position, even if it contradicts an article from the same reliable reference.

This NASA page also states:

"On Feb. 14, 1990, Voyager 1’s cameras were pointed backward and captured about 60 images of the Sun and planets -- the first "portrait" of our solar system as seen from the outside. "

And...

"On Dec. 16, 2004, Voyager scientists announced that Voyager 1 had reported high values for the intensity for the magnetic field at a distance of 94 AU, indicating that it had reached the termination shock and had now entered the heliosheath. The spacecraft finally exited the heliosphere and began measuring the interstellar environment on Aug. 25, 2012, the first spacecraft to do so."

So we are left with what is considered the boundaries of the solar system.
Obviously NASA has defined it as where the suns various influences become exceeded by that of the other forces within the galaxy. Youre insisting this boundary be extended to where the smallest influence of our sun can be detected. Even if other forces in this zone by other influences are greater.

However lets see what NASA and virtually every other source on the web actually says about the Oort Cloud.

"Though long-period comets observed among the planets are thought to originate in the Oort Cloud, no object has been observed in the distant Oort Cloud itself, leaving it a theoretical concept for the time being"

Thats right and I invite anyone to check any number of references.

Newscientist.com says this:

"Indeed, the need for a source for “long period” comets – bodies that pass us less than once every 200 years – is the only evidence we have for the Oort cloud's existence, and that is circumstantial to say the least.Mar 16, 2016"

So we are left with something we should have expected.

TurdeatingGuy is attempting an argument from authority over a very obtuse technicality making a claim which doesnt even stand up to the scientific method.

And he expects us all to fall at his feet and be educated in wide eyed wonder by him.

Thats never gonna happen bud because youre biased, arrogant, conceited, dishonest, childish, petty and cannot be trusted around small naked children.

D71 said:

is the solar system in the galaxy? Are we in a universe. When you have your head up your butt what happens when you fart?

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He takes a deep whiff, smiles and proudly announces, "thank you sir may I have another!"
Remember, though. He is an expert amateur astronomer.
Funny name for a guy who likely spends his saturday nights at his towns glory holes, asking "hey handsome, can I look for the Klingons on Uranus?"

Batvette said:

They flat out admit that they dont even have an accurate estimate of the extent of the Oort Cloud.

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Nope, we do not have an accurate estimate of it..

Batvette said:

Youre criticizing others quoting reliable references, but its obvious all youve done is shop Google results until you found the article which supports your position, even if it contradicts an article from the same reliable reference.

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You are very much mistaken. I've been an amateur astronomer for twenty years and study astrophysics as a hobby. Some play sports, others paint or play music.. I'm an astro and physics geek. I do occasionally have to google things.. Our solar system isn't part of my interests so if you ask me for the exact diameter of Venus or some other obscure piece of information, I'll probably have to look it up..
However, my comprehension and understanding of our solar system is about 100 times greater than anything you or Bob has. If you're into sports, your comprehension of sports statistics is probably 100 times greater than mine. That's how it works.

For basic stuff like "could we be spreading life thru the galaxy with our space probes?", I don't need to look that up.. Nor do I need to look up what NASA says about "spreading life thru the galaxy with our space probes", because its such a preposterously ridiculous assertion that it needs no attention. Its on the same level of "Could Venus be made of cheese" ??

The fact that Bob asked such a question tells me he has absolutely no comprehension about spacecraft speeds or the distances they need to travel.. or the size or scope of our solar system.. An honorable person would have said "oh, that was a silly question wasn't it? I don't study this stuff so thanks for the correction".. But Bob doesn't behave honorably.

Batvette said:

This NASA page also states:

"On Feb. 14, 1990, Voyager 1’s cameras were pointed backward and captured about 60 images of the Sun and planets -- the first "portrait" of our solar system as seen from the outside. "

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Yes.. so? When they say "seen from the outside", they mean "seen from the outside of the orbits of the planets" You know what it doesn't mean? It doesn't mean we've traveled outside our solar system are we're now spreading life in the galaxy with our space probes.

Batvette said:

And...

"On Dec. 16, 2004, Voyager scientists announced that Voyager 1 had reported high values for the intensity for the magnetic field at a distance of 94 AU, indicating that it had reached the termination shock and had now entered the heliosheath. The spacecraft finally exited the heliosphere and began measuring the interstellar environment on Aug. 25, 2012, the first spacecraft to do so."

So we are left with what is considered the boundaries of the solar system.
Obviously NASA has defined it as where the suns various influences become exceeded by that of the other forces within the galaxy. Youre insisting this boundary be extended to where the smallest influence of our sun can be detected. Even if other forces in this zone by other influences are greater.

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Our solar system is defined as everything that is affected by our star.. Period.. End of story. Regardless, even if the Oort Cloud didn't exist, we would still not be anywhere remotely close to "Spreading life thru the galaxy with our space probes".

It is comical, and quite revealing however, that you two have tried to re-frame the argument.. and we both know why.. because if you can somehow argue for one infinitesimal second that Voyager could have, might have, or should have, exited our solar system by 2 millimeters, then that qualifies as "spreading life thru the galaxy with our space probes".

Ignorance doesn't even begin to explain that level of rationalization, but that's par for the course with you two..

Batvette said:

However lets see what NASA and virtually every other source on the web actually says about the Oort Cloud.

"Though long-period comets observed among the planets are thought to originate in the Oort Cloud, no object has been observed in the distant Oort Cloud itself, leaving it a theoretical concept for the time being"

Thats right and I invite anyone to check any number of references.

Newscientist.com says this:

"Indeed, the need for a source for “long period” comets – bodies that pass us less than once every 200 years – is the only evidence we have for the Oort cloud's existence, and that is circumstantial to say the least.Mar 16, 2016"

So we are left with something we should have expected.

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That's good.. keep reading.. you might learn something.

Batvette said:

TurdeatingGuy is attempting an argument from authority over a very obtuse technicality making a claim which doesnt even stand up to the scientific method.

And he expects us all to fall at his feet and be educated in wide eyed wonder by him.

Thats never gonna happen bud because youre biased, arrogant, conceited, dishonest, childish, petty and cannot be trusted around small naked children.

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Hey, I'm making progress.. at the beginning of this conversation, you didn't even know what a Heliopause was, or what a Shock Wave Boundary was, or what an Oort cloud was.. And neither of you had any clue as to the distances involved between stars or solar systems.

By attacking your pride fueled hyper-ignorance, I forced you to educate yourself and it looks like I succeeded.

You're welcome.

LeoThomson said:

It helps me a lot when I feel suicidal. It allows me to calm down to the point where I can sleep.

And if you wonder why I feel suicidal some times, it is because of all the hate I see towards minorities. (I thought at least in the West we would be over that senseless hate after the atrocities we witnessed in NAZI Germany.) Thinking of withdrawing from news, social media and finding some remote place to live relatively self sufficient.

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Morons will find you there too...

I'm the LAST DRIVEWAY on my county road, 17 miles from the nearest town, and they plugged in political signs on the mowed area at the end of my 9/10 mile long driveway.

Ideally, I'm the ONLY person that will see them, so why plug them in on posted private property?

One thing about political signs, they make good rifle range targets when recycled.
I have to pull them to mow, they are mine to do with what I want. I find this to be the best use of them.

Then there is the moron that decided to shoot at solar panels because they "Damage The Sun"...

Suicide?
I worked way too damned hard to SURVIVE to consider suicide.
I guess it's all in your experiences.

Batvette said:

"Voyager 1 has left the Solar System. Will we ever overtake it?

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Well... Not exactly...

It will take another 30-35 years to reach the oort cloud (according to NASA), and another 300 years to get through the oort cloud where it will technically 'Interstellar' depending on the definition of 'Interstellar' you subscribe to.

It's technically outside our solar system... That much almost everyone agrees on.

Since I'm not an astrophysicist, I can't make the call myself, so I'll let the actual professionals make the call.
It's not like a piece of trash that far out from me makes any difference in my life, so I'm just another spectator.

Trash, the calling card of the human race... Think about that for a second...

JeepHammer said:

Morons will find you there too...

I'm the LAST DRIVEWAY on my county road, 17 miles from the nearest town, and they plugged in political signs on the mowed area at the end of my 9/10 mile long driveway.

Ideally, I'm the ONLY person that will see them, so why plug them in on posted private property?

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Because they don't want you feel left out.

JeepHammer said:

One thing about political signs, they make good rifle range targets when recycled.
I have to pull them to mow, they are mine to do with what I want. I find this to be the best use of them.

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I don't post signs on my lawn and pull any that do appear, right away.

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Then there is the moron that decided to shoot at solar panels because they "Damage The Sun"...

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I have seen some really dumb stories, but this is the first time I hear of some one shooting at solar panels.

JeepHammer said:

Suicide?
I worked way too damned hard to SURVIVE to consider suicide.
I guess it's all in your experiences.

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Just tired of the senseless hate.

MurphyGuy said:

The consensus on this subject is starting to shift to "almost anywhere"

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I should have worded it differently, I should have asked Bob where he believes life comes from.

MurphyGuy said:

Humans have a strong propensity to seek out answers to our questions.. It's what separates us from the animals. The problem is, in the absence of good answers, we tend to accept bad ones.. _Not sure where that came from.

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I am ok with not knowing something, realizing I knew very little and would never know more than a fraction of what there is to know, was disappointing at first, but then I went to play football (soccer for Americans) with my friends. It didn't stop me from trying to gain knowledge though.

LeoThomson said:

Just tired of the senseless hate.

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That's letting others influence your state of happiness with their behavior.
Unless people are physically affecting your well-being, that's on you.
All we can control is ourselves and how we let others into our world.

LeoThomson said:

I have seen some really dumb stories, but this is the first time I hear of some one shooting at solar panels.

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Road signs, barns/sheds, farm equipment, cabins, even livestock, solar panels, anything that catches their eye...

I subscribe to de-evolution theory now after 50 years of seeing what stupid people do.

LeoThomson said:

Just tired of the senseless hate.

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Explained by de-elolution theory.
Humans are tribal and territorial by nature, take away higher brain function & critical thinking and it gets much worse since humans are more heavily armed now...

Consider former and current governers of Texas helped spread the rumors that solar panels damage the sun, spread that around on the internet a little and see which mentally ill persons pick it up...
And make firearms available to everyone and it can go wrong real fast.

Same with 'replacment theory' and any of the the other far right crap and you get mass shootings of humans instead of inanimate objects...

There is a reason I moved way out in the woods back in the 90s...

Tulex said:

That's letting others influence your state of happiness with their behavior.
Unless people are physically affecting your well-being, that's on you.
All we can control is ourselves and how we let others into our world.

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^^^^
That post should be framed with a spot light.

Your wisdom is either hard earned, or you read "7 Habits of Highly Effective People" by Stephen Covey. Good book..

The only person responsible for your feelings is you..