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LFP for EV's projected to be less than $56 per kWh within 6 months

Brucey said:
So anyone thinking about layout for the LF560s? Seems like with cells being double wide a single 16 cell row would be the logical choice? I've asked my son for help with the fixture (metal endplates and threaded rods).
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Shoot. I’m over here trying to make sure I have someone available to 2 man lift my 305ah batteries and it’s about the limit for what I can depend on
Idk how I’d move the 560s but I guess that shouldn’t matter as I shouldn’t need to move them.
Will be interesting to see the builds

Shipping is gonna eat us alive ?
 
Anyways. Yay big cells!

And also. Yay for $24,000.00 Tesla they are promising that will probably end up costing 40k.
 
Checkthisout said:
So Ford sells an 80k truck.

Or they sell let's say 4 $20k vehicles.

You make more money on the 80k sale for one unit than you do selling 4 units.
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Not so much because of the shipping & storage overhead, but because people paid a huge premium for luxury models.

And that is what bankrupt several automakers a decade ago. They had stopped focusing on economy cars, and the most popular cars in the world like Tarus/Sable. Then the bottom dropped out when gas prices rose.

With battery cost dominating EV cost and constraining production, ought to have models with smaller battery, ability to add more in series to boost range and power. BYD HV home batteries are stackable. Do the same for cars.

That would allow lower entry level models, with upgradability.

Only thing that can be truly economical is a 3 wheeler, because it would be held to motorcycle standards instead. Just obstacles placed by the government. Airbags are incremental safety improvement over belts, at best. But a lot of cost and complexity. Driver assist, driver alertness monitor, breathalizer, remote immobilizer, etc ...
 
The price for lithium batteries is not translating to savings for the consumer. At my local Kia dealership, they are very well stocked with 72k - 80k EV9 suv's. That's a lot of money for a Kia. That's in So Cal. Here, while the gas prices are still high, the utilities are relentless in raising rates so that with the added cost of the EV and the high charging rates unless you have enough of your own solar, the costs savings is almost no where to be found. The only benefit is no tailpipe emissions. So lots of EV vehicles on the dealership lots here as the boats keep arriving at the ports.
 
There is if you use it for work or it takes you to work.
(or if it sells in the future for a higher price than you paid.)

In the contract manufacturing world, might stuff high volume PCB for 7% gross markup, try to make 2% net profit. But any capital equipment purchases, looking for 30% ROIC.

Vehicles are capital equipment. We just don't usually calculate a return from them. But we do calculate a delta vs. what we're replacing or considering. (Those of us who don't just buy based on "Ooh, Shiny! Feature!")
 
Quattrohead said:
There is no ROI on any vehicle no matter what it's power source.
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I am not a finance expert or even a finance novice. Generally I agree with you, but the last truck I purchased is now worth more than 100% more than I paid for it in less than 6 years of ownership and I have not modified it Only routine maintenance and it is driven regularly and it is used for work, so it is generating money. I am not sure what a finance expert calls that, but I call it a good deal.
 
Checkthisout said:
You're retired. I think it's time for you to buy a look at me truck with heated seats and coffee maker.
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I'm not retired. I probably never will.
Eventually I will move into just a consulting position, maybe.
Besides, I would rather people didn't look at me.
I try to not draw attention to myself. If I'm getting attention, it's because someone else forced my hand.
 
Q-Dog said:
My wife wants me to convert one of our antiques into an EV. I can probably get that done before anyone makes an EV I would actually want to own.
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I did 4 years ago. No EV van back in the days.
Still today, the choices are pricey. Ford e-Transit, Mercedes eSpinter and soon the Ram Promaster EV... and for those who can wait again and again, the VW Idbuzz someday.

You can put your hand on a crash EV for 5-15k$ and have all the parts need for a conversion.
The only problem... it's a lot of work.

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Trucks always hold more value than a passenger car.

Vehicles can be looked at as a tool, as and investment and as a status symbol. Tools can be depreciated when used for business. Investment vehicles can possibly be purchased with retirement account funds or be placed into retirement and possibly tax free accounts. And status symbol vehicles mean a person has an excess of disposable income and other small problems?

For instance, my F150 4x4 is my tool.

My 1967 Pontiac GTO is my investment.

My Aston Martin DB12 volante is my status symbol.
 
Brucey said:
That's what the lightning pro was at an initially promised $40k, super limited numbers, then Fords greed got the better of them with multiple price increases taking entry level to nearly $60k
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You obviously have the skills to start building a large pickup, and are not greedy so which truck is the one you are building? I'm in! There is 98KWH of batteries in the base model F150, 131KWH in the extended range model. Retail for a PV setup we are talking $30-50,000 worth of batteries, which is the point of the thread. It has nothing to do with greed and everything to do with how much the fraggin batteries cost. Ford like Tesla drastically underestimated the cost of building the darn thing, then when they started to actually put it together had to revise the pricing. Rivian has the best looking truck it's max range battery is just under 150KWH. Do you expect them to be able to sell this for even $40K?

Now if the materials costs get cut in half maybe we'll actually see something closer to what the average joker can afford to pay.
 
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