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Hi everyone. Been reading a lot of posts here --- lots of great knowledge and trying to learn as much as I can. I have 2, 200ah LFP batteries. One of the batteries has a built in 100a BMS and the other has built in 200a BMS. My question is... can I use one charger to charge them up or do I need two separate chargers since they have different BMS's? Thanks in advance for your answers.
 
One charger will be fine. Your just limited to 100amps if they share a bus bar or connection since that is the max amps of the smallest bms.
 
One charger will be fine. Your just limited to 100amps if they share a bus bar or connection since that is the max amps of the smallest bms.
First and foremost, thank you for the fast reply. I have the batteries in parallel (pos to pos and neg to neg) with the charger directly connected to the one of the batteries pos and neg. I use the victron smart shunt and it's showing both batteries charging up just fine --- slow but fine. I can't help but wonder why the company told me I need another charger since the batteries BMS is different. Strange.
 
If they are connected in parallel then whatever one gets the other is going to get it too so again just stay within the 100amp range and your good to go.
 
If they are connected in parallel then whatever one gets the other is going to get it too so again just stay within the 100amp range and your good to go.
Not my best time of day for heavy thinking but batteries of different capacities in parallel should get UN-equal division of the the total amperage. Not that it is a problem. Think of it like filling two tanks one smaller in overall size than the other but connected together. You are filling at 3 gals per minute. You put 2 gallons in the large tank to be at the same level 1 gallon in the small tank gets you.
 
the charger directly connected to the one of the batteries pos and neg.
This will result in the batteries becoming unbalanced. The battery that you connect loads or charging to will get more current.

To wire in a balanced manner, connect to + of one battery an - of the other.
 
Not my best time of day for heavy thinking but batteries of different capacities in parallel should get UN-equal division of the the total amperage. Not that it is a problem. Think of it like filling two tanks one smaller in overall size than the other but connected together. You are filling at 3 gals per minute. You put 2 gallons in the large tank to be at the same level 1 gallon in the small tank gets you.
i should have paid a lot more attention in school LOL.
 
This will result in the batteries becoming unbalanced. The battery that you connect loads or charging to will get more current.

To wire in a balanced manner, connect to + of one battery an - of the other.
Stupid question. Wouldn't doing what you just described make the batteries be in "series" vs. "parallel" and change the voltage from 12v to 24v? I want to keep the voltage to 12v for now.
 
Not my best time of day for heavy thinking but batteries of different capacities in parallel should get UN-equal division of the the total amperage. Not that it is a problem. Think of it like filling two tanks one smaller in overall size than the other but connected together. You are filling at 3 gals per minute. You put 2 gallons in the large tank to be at the same level 1 gallon in the small tank gets you.
Yep but not in his case. He's filling two 200 gallon gas tanks. One has a 100amp nozzle size and the other has a 200amp nozzle size.
As long as he is pumping 100amps flow rate it will fill both 200 gallon tanks at the exact same time :)

I have 2, 200ah LFP batteries
 
Wouldn't doing what you just described make the batteries be in "series" vs. "parallel"
No, you connect the batteries in parallel: + to +, - to -.
You connect your charger + to battery A + and the charger - to battery B -. The same with your loads.
 
Yep but not in his case. He's filling two 200 gallon gas tanks. One has a 100amp nozzle size and the other has a 200amp nozzle size.
As long as he is pumping 100amps flow rate it will fill both 200 gallon tanks at the exact same time :)

I have 2, 200ah LFP batteries
Correct, I have two 200ah LFP batteries. The only difference between the two batteries is that one of the BMW is rated to 100a and the other is the "PLUS" version which has 200a BMS. Sorry if I didn't state that correctly in my original post.
 
No, you connect the batteries in parallel: + to +, - to -.
You connect your charger + to battery A + and the charger - to battery B -. The same with your loads.
Aaaah ok. Now I understand. Yep, I don't have it wired that way right now but can go change it. I currently have the charger wired directly to the 200ah battery with the 100a BMS. When the other arrived, I just put the batteries in parallel but left the charger only connected to the original +/- of the one battery.
 
As mentioned by others the only tricky part is to make sure the powers entering evenly thus a bus bar is ideal. Have both batteries going to a common bus bar. Connect the charger to the bus bar then it will get sent evenly to the batteries.
 
charger + > bus bar + > battery1 +post
...............................................> battery2 +post

charger - > bus bar - > battery1 -post
...............................................> battery2 -post
 
thus a bus bar is ideal. Have both batteries going to a common bus bar.
I don't think there is any benefit to bus bars with just 2 batteries. Diagonal wiring (as described above) is ideal and identical for both batteries.

Well a benefit would be for multiple places to connect loads and chargers to prevent doubling up on battery posts.
 
Yep but not in his case. He's filling two 200 gallon gas tanks. One has a 100amp nozzle size and the other has a 200amp nozzle size.
As long as he is pumping 100amps flow rate it will fill both 200 gallon tanks at the exact same time :)

I have 2, 200ah LFP batteries
Ah, yeah I should not be doing any thinking . Missed that point entirely. :)
 
I don't think there is any benefit to bus bars with just 2 batteries. Diagonal wiring (as described above) is ideal and identical for both batteries.

Well a benefit would be for multiple places to connect loads and chargers to prevent doubling up on battery posts.
Completely true. I just plan ahead when building out battery stuff so once I go past one battery I use bus bars.
 
If it helps, I have both of the batteries connected to a smart shunt.

Battery #1 (original 200ah with 100a BMS) is currently showing 13.59 and battery #2 with 200a BMW is showing 13.57. Battery #1 voltage is going up faster than battery #2. However, battery #1 has also been charged in the past whereas battery #2 is a new arrival to me and I'm just charging it.
charger + > bus bar + > battery1 +post
...............................................> battery2 +post

charger - > bus bar - > battery1 -post
...............................................> battery2 -post
Ok so I need to move the charger - off of the #1 battery and move it to #2 battery since I guess it's the end of that circuit. Sorry if I've made this confusing --- certainly isn't my intent. I also don't feel like burning my house down LOL
 
I was trying to show battery 1 + and battery 2 + connected to a bus bar for the positive side aka +

So I probably caused the confusion :)

Id put the + battery charger lead on the + of battery 1 and the - charger lead on battery 2's - terminal. This way your charging across them all.

Like @MisterSandals suggested in his post.
 
Update. Because of the victron smart shunt that I have, the charger negative is connected to the shunt "System Minus".
Battery #1 negative is going to shunt "To battery minus".
Battery #2 negative is going to Battery #1 negative
Battery #2 positive is going to Battery #1 positive

Oddly enough, I see the voltage going up on both battries which leads me to believe I might have this wired up ok.

My apologies. I probably should have stated up front that I have that smartshunt.
 
Hook the chargers positive to battery 2's positive.

Hook the chargers negative to inverters side of the shunt if you want to measure whats going into the battery with the shunt.

If you don't care to measure it then put the chargers negative to battery 1's negative.
 
Hook the chargers positive to battery 2's positive.

Hook the chargers negative to inverters side of the shunt if you want to measure whats going into the battery with the shunt.

If you don't care to measure it then put the chargers negative to battery 1's negative.
ok, will do thank you.
 

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