Doggydogworld
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You asked for watt vs watt-hour corrections, so I'll try. Plus some random comments.
24V * 200 Ah = 4800 VAh
V*A = W (at least for DC) so ....
4800 VAh is 4800 Wh or 4.8 kWh
If you connect all four panels in series (4S) it'd be 140V and 9A. The 9A is easy to handle, but you'll need a suitable MPPT controller to convert that voltage down to 24V to charge your battery. PWMs do no conversion. You can also choose 2S2P, for 70V and 18A. That might save a bit on the MPPT.
Also, PWM will pull your panels down to 26-28V so your array's peak output would be something like 28V * 36A = 1008W vs. the 1260W the panels are rated at. 4 hours of peak sun equivalent is then only 4.0 kWh vs. the 4.8 you need. It's even less useful energy once you subtract charge/discharge losses, inverter losses, etc. MPPT will drive your panels to their optimum voltage and current, getting you closer to the 4.8 kWh (before losses) you estimated.
You can have multiple arrays and multiple charge controllers feed a single battery and inverter. Other odd configs are also possible. Wouldn't worry about that too much right now. Biggest decision is what to use for backup (grid or generator) as that will drive equipment choices. Second decision is battery voltage, I agree with others 48V (or even 12V) is preferable to 24V.
To live there full time you need backup power. Grid or generator.I've built myself a 120 sqft tiny home outside of Houston, Texas on a plot of land I own. I want to do an off-the-grid setup and bring my cost of living down, and a big component of that is Solar Energy. I work from home as a computer programmer, so my energy needs are a bit diverse.
4800 Wh per day or 4.8 kWh per day. About 50 cents worth of electricity in TX. This page has Energy Audit info to help you nail it down.I need a budget of about 4800w per day
A "4800W system" usually means 4800W of solar panels. Not saying that's what he has, just general lingo FYI.he gets away with a 4800w system, so that's what I've targeted.
Again, 4800 Wh. Agree it's best to start small and use backup power for cloudy stretches.provide this 4800w daily. Ideally, I'd like to start with something at 4800w initially, then grow it with redundant batteries for prolonged periods of rain,
4800 Wh.My plan is to get one of those 24V 200aH batteries, which would provide me a capacity of 4800w if I've done my calculations correctly. That would run me $1250.
24V * 200 Ah = 4800 VAh
V*A = W (at least for DC) so ....
4800 VAh is 4800 Wh or 4.8 kWh
Lighting and heating (incl. water heating) take more energy in winter. You can use propane or oil for heat, of course. A/C obviously takes a lot more in summer, but you seem to have that handled.So I'm doing my calculations based on an average of 4 hours of peak sunlight per day (since I can skirt by with less power in the winter).
315W, not watts per hour. (Watts is already Joules per second, so it's analogous to MPH even though there's no explicit time unit).That's a 315w solar panel. As I understand it, that means the solar panel can produce 315w per hour
That's the right math, though real world useful output can be less than napkin math. Sites like PVWatts let you estimate output for your location, panel orientation, etc. I agree with others that new panels are a better deal these days.at peak sunlight, so at 4 hours of peak sunlight per day worst-case scenario, a single panel is producing 1260w. So I'd need 4 of those panels to produce the 4800w I want my battery to hold in one day? Is that correct?
Inverters are usually rated based on power OUTPUT. If your devices never draw more than 600W then you technically only need a 600W inverter. Anything with a motor will draw a lot more power at startup, so you have to account for that. Same for a microwave.I need it to be the size of my solar array, so the inverter would need to be 4800w as well, is that correct?
Four 315W panels is a 1260W array, not 4800W. You have to match your solar charge controller to your array voltage and current. Array voltage and current depend on configuration (series, parallel, mixed). If your panels are nominally 35V and 9A and you put them all in parallel (4P) the array is 35V and 36A. The wiring and connectors often used to connect panels are usually rated for 30A, so you'd have to work around that.Finally, I'm looking at a charge controller. What I've read is they need to be the size of my solar array wattage divided by the voltage of my battery. So if my battery is 24V, and my Solar Array is 4800W (technically 5040), I do 4800/24 = 200a.
If you connect all four panels in series (4S) it'd be 140V and 9A. The 9A is easy to handle, but you'll need a suitable MPPT controller to convert that voltage down to 24V to charge your battery. PWMs do no conversion. You can also choose 2S2P, for 70V and 18A. That might save a bit on the MPPT.
You don't need 200A. Even in 4P your array will only put out something like 36A.The solar panels I'm looking at are 72 cell, so unless i'm mistaken I can go with a PWM charge controller to save a little bit of money? I've been looking around and I think a 200 amp PWM controller tends to go for around $1000?
Also, PWM will pull your panels down to 26-28V so your array's peak output would be something like 28V * 36A = 1008W vs. the 1260W the panels are rated at. 4 hours of peak sun equivalent is then only 4.0 kWh vs. the 4.8 you need. It's even less useful energy once you subtract charge/discharge losses, inverter losses, etc. MPPT will drive your panels to their optimum voltage and current, getting you closer to the 4.8 kWh (before losses) you estimated.
$3k sounds a bit high, but it depends on how much blue you buy.Do these numbers sound correct? I'm looking at a rough cost, without wiring or mounts, of about $3000? Is there anything obvious I'm missing? Am I getting myself into trouble here or is this a good starting point for more research? Further, assuming in the future I wanted to add a second battery, what pitfalls should I avoid? And if I wanted to add more solar panels, that would mean I'd need a second inverter, correct? Would it be smarter to size my inverter upfront for any future expansion?
You can have multiple arrays and multiple charge controllers feed a single battery and inverter. Other odd configs are also possible. Wouldn't worry about that too much right now. Biggest decision is what to use for backup (grid or generator) as that will drive equipment choices. Second decision is battery voltage, I agree with others 48V (or even 12V) is preferable to 24V.
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