Hi Good Solar People,
This is a UK installation, would be interested if people from all over could help out with some of my understanding as apart from certification, I think the concepts are the same.
First, I'm just trying to get my head around a lot of concepts and installs. Here in the UK, it's a minefield of installation issues if you attempt DIY. let's assume everything is approved at the end by an electricians at the end point, so as not to get stuck on the 'you're gonna die' if you continue.
I just want to see how much is possible and how much I can do by myself (with friends etc), keeping costs down while staying safe etc!
I have a garage roof with enough space (south facing) to put at least 4kw panels (want to put much more but depends on how much budget I have left). I already have tested and installed a low key DIY offgrid with a 2kw worth of panels (resting in garden) and a MPPT for a 24v 2x12v lead acid battery into an old 24v repurposed 1200kva UPS - works great for the garage. really simple to use and install. So this has made me want to go full scale!
My perfect installation would be the 4kw of panels (or more) on roof of garage installed by me with a 5-6kw (minimum) inverter which is hybrid feeding 17kw of storage into LiFePO4 52v batteries DIY (from Eve cells 3.2v 280ah), however I do not want any backfeeding but I will need grid support (as the UK in winter is tough to produce enough energy).
Battery building, I'm ok with, DIY construction and BMS look very safe and I can build this for around £2k.
My main question, I want in the Sumner to be completely offgrid and use the collected energy storage and the solar to provide enough energy. 5-6kw inverter at the moment is enough - would theoretically be enough to use all the equipment we have (with planning and understanding not everything can go on at same time etc). Winter and other times, I'd want to use the grid to top up the battery and use that at night (more than enough if topped up) - here there are some night time/ off peak cheap electricity usage rates. I'd want to use that with the battery storage/inverter etc.
What's the best practice for connecting into the consumer unit when intending offgrid installs. Would you use the existing Consumer unit (this is called a Distribution Board I think in other parts of the world) and then have an isolation switch at the tails which could divert power from grid only and then from Solar only. Same consumer unit but can ONLY be used for either solar or Grid (would be impossible to use both at same time - assume extra protection is put in place to allow for extra fuses if needed).
Also, I've seen that the hybrid inverters can plug into the exiting 'system' and allow for zero backfeeding by prioritising solar/battery and then if there is none (or not enough) use grid. However, how are they attached into the existing Consumer unit? - I've seen people just use a spare input (inside the CU) - how does that work when powering the house, does it backfeed the house through that connection? Then switch to grid only if needed... ? That part I find confusing when looking at installs. Again assume no shortcuts when it comes to wire gauge size and amp understanding through the circuits.
How exact are these hybrid Solar inverters do they need approval before connecting to the grid in ANY circumstance even if they have zero backfeeding (I can understand that they could potentially fail etc). Here, If they are attached to the grid extra certification and certified installers (to prevent any issues) may be needed, hence the isolation divertor switch, only allowing one direction and offgrid only. This installation would be an ongrid/offgrid but controlled by the inverter.
Or do people build a separate Consumer unit (DB) for the Solar install and connect this to existing installation - if so, how is that done and why would you duplicate?
Does anyone have any good photos of their CU to their Solar/Inverter/Battery - In the rest of the world, I think they use similar concepts to feed their house.
I appreciate a good solar electrician will know exactly but I wanted to understand the concept of how much of it is possible before handing off to an electrician.
Then the minefield of certification/approval here - how much of this can be signed off on DNO and approved - once over a certain size. Again anyone who can help someone in UK to get to a point where they can DIY up to the limit of what DIY is allowed.
Thanks for reading if you've got this far, appreciate any help or guidance!
This is a UK installation, would be interested if people from all over could help out with some of my understanding as apart from certification, I think the concepts are the same.
First, I'm just trying to get my head around a lot of concepts and installs. Here in the UK, it's a minefield of installation issues if you attempt DIY. let's assume everything is approved at the end by an electricians at the end point, so as not to get stuck on the 'you're gonna die' if you continue.
I just want to see how much is possible and how much I can do by myself (with friends etc), keeping costs down while staying safe etc!
I have a garage roof with enough space (south facing) to put at least 4kw panels (want to put much more but depends on how much budget I have left). I already have tested and installed a low key DIY offgrid with a 2kw worth of panels (resting in garden) and a MPPT for a 24v 2x12v lead acid battery into an old 24v repurposed 1200kva UPS - works great for the garage. really simple to use and install. So this has made me want to go full scale!
My perfect installation would be the 4kw of panels (or more) on roof of garage installed by me with a 5-6kw (minimum) inverter which is hybrid feeding 17kw of storage into LiFePO4 52v batteries DIY (from Eve cells 3.2v 280ah), however I do not want any backfeeding but I will need grid support (as the UK in winter is tough to produce enough energy).
Battery building, I'm ok with, DIY construction and BMS look very safe and I can build this for around £2k.
My main question, I want in the Sumner to be completely offgrid and use the collected energy storage and the solar to provide enough energy. 5-6kw inverter at the moment is enough - would theoretically be enough to use all the equipment we have (with planning and understanding not everything can go on at same time etc). Winter and other times, I'd want to use the grid to top up the battery and use that at night (more than enough if topped up) - here there are some night time/ off peak cheap electricity usage rates. I'd want to use that with the battery storage/inverter etc.
What's the best practice for connecting into the consumer unit when intending offgrid installs. Would you use the existing Consumer unit (this is called a Distribution Board I think in other parts of the world) and then have an isolation switch at the tails which could divert power from grid only and then from Solar only. Same consumer unit but can ONLY be used for either solar or Grid (would be impossible to use both at same time - assume extra protection is put in place to allow for extra fuses if needed).
Also, I've seen that the hybrid inverters can plug into the exiting 'system' and allow for zero backfeeding by prioritising solar/battery and then if there is none (or not enough) use grid. However, how are they attached into the existing Consumer unit? - I've seen people just use a spare input (inside the CU) - how does that work when powering the house, does it backfeed the house through that connection? Then switch to grid only if needed... ? That part I find confusing when looking at installs. Again assume no shortcuts when it comes to wire gauge size and amp understanding through the circuits.
How exact are these hybrid Solar inverters do they need approval before connecting to the grid in ANY circumstance even if they have zero backfeeding (I can understand that they could potentially fail etc). Here, If they are attached to the grid extra certification and certified installers (to prevent any issues) may be needed, hence the isolation divertor switch, only allowing one direction and offgrid only. This installation would be an ongrid/offgrid but controlled by the inverter.
Or do people build a separate Consumer unit (DB) for the Solar install and connect this to existing installation - if so, how is that done and why would you duplicate?
Does anyone have any good photos of their CU to their Solar/Inverter/Battery - In the rest of the world, I think they use similar concepts to feed their house.
I appreciate a good solar electrician will know exactly but I wanted to understand the concept of how much of it is possible before handing off to an electrician.
Then the minefield of certification/approval here - how much of this can be signed off on DNO and approved - once over a certain size. Again anyone who can help someone in UK to get to a point where they can DIY up to the limit of what DIY is allowed.
Thanks for reading if you've got this far, appreciate any help or guidance!