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Help Please - Miami Condo Hurricane Prep

I looked up the propane thing. I don’t think that’s safe. It scares me.
Thank you all!
All you need is a small propane generator and several propane tanks and store them all on your balcony under a tarp. Also keep several extension cords in you house so you can use the power once you need it. This is just to save you when a storm hits, store as much as you can fit on the balcony. Use it only when a storm hits and you will be fine.
 
Dude keep your politics out of this and stop giving bad advice. You clearly did not read any of the post before this if you did you would know solar will not work for him. Why wast money on a battery back when he can just use that money to buy more propane and store it. Propane has a higher energy density than a battery. Translation he will get MORE power with more propane than wasting it charging a battery.
If you want to run your mouth about climate change go to another website this site is to help people now fill there heads with propaganda.

Well my main recomendation its to place a BIG UPS, and maybe help it with whatever solar he / she can get from the balcony, maybe 100W?, that could help.

And if you keep reading i also recommend complementing with the gas / propane generator. The good thing about the UPS its uninterrupted energy without having to turn on the generator, wich takes some time and effort. Also he / she mentions that a generator isnt probably a good idea for the noise in the condo, wich i also comment on

Dont need to get upset, i actually was hesitant to comment about the climate change bit, bad idea i see...

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And just FYI, climate change its not political, its something that its happening, and it doesnt matter whatever us humans choose to "believe". But dont worry about it, it will become more clear with time.
 
...I looked up the propane thing. I don’t think that’s safe. It scares me.
America has a love affair with BBQ on the backyard grill. 75% of U.S. adults own a grill or smoker. A good fraction of those grills are propane grills purchased from the local big-box store. There are a few accidents every year, but a properly maintained system is very safe. I suspect it is safer than storing gasoline, and most Americans have a gallon or so in the garage for the mower. Butter fingered as I am I have dropped those 1 lb tanks and they've clanked around on the concrete with no visible damage, they're really strong.

... and several propane tanks...

Just an FYI, when she says "several" she means the tiny 1 lb propane tanks like the green one to the right. They don't last all that long, which means you might have to get up in the middle of the night to refuel to keep the power for the cpap/frig on. I have
three in the house now in a bedroom closet, they're used for a small camping stove.

Those are great for camping as they're small. But for emergency purposes I'd say
use a 20 lb tank like the one on the far right. If you have a propane grill on your
patio you probably already have one.

If you have natural gas in your condo, you can usually find an adapter to feed the
generator, then you won't need fuel tanks at all and have unlimited power.
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1 lb tank, ~$6 from HomeDepot,
depends on generator efficiency, but roughly 500 Whs* per lb. Some of 1 lb tanks are refillable.
flame-king-propane-tanks-ysn201-ps1-64_1000.jpg
Staple of BBQ grills across America!
20 lb tank, $35-70 from home depot empty, lasts about 10,000 Wh. Refillable.
Pulling 300W it should last over a day.
*Calculated the watt-hours using this model's 175 watts for 3 hours per pound rating.
 
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So how did you get gas to work perfectly after 3-4 years? That goes agents the fundamentals of how gasoline works. See the Links above.
Charged the battery, connected it, cranked, and it fired. Done. Then drove it for about 4 hours before filling it up.

Given how good modern gas is, it does not go against the "fundamentals" of how gas works. I've had old two stroke gas work after not using it for many years, too. I think people like to blame gas for problems when the real problems are the materials used for the fuel system- cars have pretty robust materials for the fuels, whereas power products don't. No idea how they get away with blaming the fuel, as they do. Car companies never were able to use that excuse.

Fuel goes bad when there's a simple path for the various chemicals to evaporate off and leave. If the system is sealed enough, there will be an equilibrium where additional fuel components won't be able to evaporate off. Same goes for water getting into the fuel from the natural humidity. And I'm sure it helps that I store my cars in a garage, which reduces the quick changes in environment, allowing the system to maintain pretty stable relative equilibrium.

If the OP has a good gas storage device, the fuel won't go bad enough to be a problem- fill the tank in June when hurricane season starts, put the remains in your car in November when it ends.
 
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All you need is a small propane generator and several propane tanks and store them all on your balcony under a tarp. Also keep several extension cords in you house so you can use the power once you need it. This is just to save you when a storm hits, store as much as you can fit on the balcony. Use it only when a storm hits and you will be fine.
And relative to gasoline, it's a lot better to deal with. Gasoline can be super messy if you spill it, propane systems have a lot more items on them to prevent leaks. Post storm, all fuels will be a pain to get.
 
Does Gasoline go bad?

Short answer: Yes

If gasoline was just Octane (C8H18) it would never go bad, it would just slowly evaporate away. The problem is, modern gas especially, is a blend of different hydrocarbons and additives, some of which evaporate more quickly and over time changes the octane rating. Gas can also absorb moisture out of the air over time and some of the additives can break down. There are other additives you can put into it if you're going to store it for a long time to combat this, but there are questions about how well they work. Easy to google for more information on this.

I usually store 10 gallons at the start of hurricane season, then at the end I put them into my car. So, I store them for 6 months with no additives. It works, but afterwards I refuel with higher octane to burn off any valve/spark-plug gunk. Amusingly, the wife has an EV hybrid, but I have to nag her to take it out of EV mode every so often to burn up the gas before it gets to old.
 

So how did you get gas to work perfectly after 3-4 years? That goes agents the fundamentals of how gasoline works. See the Links above.
In a non fuel injected engine, bad gas still burns... it’ll leave sediment in the fuel bowl, and tank, but it will burn.
 
My yard is about 2 acres, I have a velke ride behind mower with a 5Gallon tank, I usually have 3 plus gallons in it end of season... well, I haven’t used the mower in a few years, but needed to move it last month for cleaning etc... and I opened the carb bowl, made sure the powder was out, opened the tank valve, and cranked up the mower...
no big deal.
As long as the tank is sealed up, the fuel will be fine. The carburetor must be drained when you park the mower/generator... and seal the fuel tank valve... I’ve used gas that sat for 5 plus years... it stinks, and doesn’t burn the best... I wouldn’t want to put it in my efi vehicle... but for emergencies or mowing? Sure... the fuel is fine.

Again... the carburetor MUST be kept clean...
 
In a non fuel injected engine, bad gas still burns... it’ll leave sediment in the fuel bowl, and tank, but it will burn.
That's probably a better way to emphasize it. "Good" gas won't gunk up your engine, it burns cleanly.

It's not that marginally "bad" gas won't burn, it just doesn't burn as well and leaves gunk behind when it does. Gas will eventually get to the point where it won't burn in an engine (but that takes years).

It's more than just gunk in the carb though. You'll find more deposits on the plugs and valves over time the worse the gas is.
 
That's probably a better way to emphasize it. "Good" gas won't gunk up your engine, it burns cleanly.

It's not that marginally "bad" gas won't burn, it just doesn't burn as well and leaves gunk behind when it does. Gas will eventually get to the point where it won't burn in an engine (but that takes years).

It's more than just gunk in the carb though. You'll find more deposits on the plugs and valves over time the worse the gas is.
Yup... I wouldn’t want to store 100gallons of fuel to use for decades mowing etc...
But a 5 gallon tank won’t last long running, and fresh fuel will keep gunk from sticking around on plugs etc.
And cleaning out the carb will keep it running.
 
Does Gasoline go bad?

Short answer: Yes

If gasoline was just Octane (C8H18) it would never go bad, it would just slowly evaporate away. The problem is, modern gas especially, is a blend of different hydrocarbons and additives, some of which evaporate more quickly and over time changes the octane rating. Gas can also absorb moisture out of the air over time and some of the additives can break down. There are other additives you can put into it if you're going to store it for a long time to combat this, but there are questions about how well they work. Easy to google for more information on this.

I usually store 10 gallons at the start of hurricane season, then at the end I put them into my car. So, I store them for 6 months with no additives. It works, but afterwards I refuel with higher octane to burn off any valve/spark-plug gunk. Amusingly, the wife has an EV hybrid, but I have to nag her to take it out of EV mode every so often to burn up the gas before it gets to old.
If gas were just Octane, all of our engines would be knocking themselves to death, since it's Iso-Octnae that has the defined rating of 100. (octane has an octane rating of about 34, but my reference book is at work, and I've not been there since March)

Still, most of the hype over it going bad is just that. And relative to the time period of storing fuel in a full container for 6 months, there are no issue with doing that.

Not sure why people are so up in arms about it. Especially since modern fuel as a lot more stable components to it, that less of them deposit on surfaces, and more of it cleans them off anyway. The bigger problem player I see are the power product people who try to blame fuel when it's their cheap materials that are breaking down. Cars don't do that, even ones that still use carbs. Heck, even old power products don't do that- it's just the recent ones.

Still, for the OP, I would suggest a propane generator, since it's less of a mess potential. And can be used on the balcony via a grill.
 
...Not sure why people are so up in arms about it. ...
I don't think they're so much "up in arms" as trying to give the best advice for a condo.
I think natural gas, if available, is the best case as it provides unlimited runtime.
Gasoline is fine if you have a place to store it out of sight where the fumes won't bother anyone (e.g., garage, balcony might detract from balcony time) and a way to get rid of it after hurricane season (e.g., car or friend with car). Gasoline is what my generator runs on.

But for the condo, I think you hit it with:
... for the OP, I would suggest a propane generator, since it's less of a mess potential. And can be used on the balcony via a grill.
 
I hate to say this but what about a Honda inverter. Before storm hits, get some gas, run inverter on balcony after storm. When not needed run dry and put rest of gas in car.
 
I imagine for you all out there who are used to using these gadgets its very easy, but I never managed the propane Barb b cue either. It’s all a foreign language and therefore overwhelming . I think I’ll just pray very hard that the hurricanes don’t come my way... ??
 
I’m scared of gas also. Fear of fire. I lost one home to fire already. :(
America has a love affair with BBQ on the backyard grill. 75% of U.S. adults own a grill or smoker. A good fraction of those grills are propane grills purchased from the local big-box store. There are a few accidents every year, but a properly maintained system is very safe. I suspect it is safer than storing gasoline, and most Americans have a gallon or so in the garage for the mower. Butter fingered as I am I have dropped those 1 lb tanks and they've clanked around on the concrete with no visible damage, they're really strong.



Just an FYI, when she says "several" she means the tiny 1 lb propane tanks like the green one to the right. They don't last all that long, which means you might have to get up in the middle of the night to refuel to keep the power for the cpap/frig on. I have
three in the house now in a bedroom closet, they're used for a small camping stove.

Those are great for camping as they're small. But for emergency purposes I'd say
use a 20 lb tank like the one on the far right. If you have a propane grill on your
patio you probably already have one.

If you have natural gas in your condo, you can usually find an adapter to feed the
generator, then you won't need fuel tanks at all and have unlimited power.
1 lb tank, ~$6 from HomeDepot,
depends on generator efficiency, but roughly 500 Whs* per lb. Some of 1 lb tanks are refillable.
flame-king-propane-tanks-ysn201-ps1-64_1000.jpg
Staple of BBQ grills across America!
20 lb tank, $35-70 from home depot empty, lasts about 10,000 Wh. Refillable.
Pulling 300W it should last over a day.
*Calculated the watt-hours using this model's 175 watts for 3 hours per pound rating.
this appears to be simple but a few clarities: my balcony is enclosed w sliding doors so the railings are outside the doors so there is no deck area. Therefore I would have to store the tank inside the apartment. Somehow that seems risky also.
What about if I hang the solar panelsfrom the railing so they face the sun directly and therefore no shadows from the railing poles?
 
this appears to be simple but a few clarities: my balcony is enclosed w sliding doors so the railings are outside the doors so there is no deck area. Therefore I would have to store the tank inside the apartment. Somehow that seems risky also.
What about if I hang the solar panelsfrom the railing so they face the sun directly and therefore no shadows from the railing poles?
Can you post a picture? From the inside and what direction are you facing?
Your idea is feasible, but would need some fabrication to hold the panels up.
 
Miami recommends a 64degree angle for panel placement, southern facing.
Which direction does your balcony face?
 
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