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Climate change, COVID, and other things...

Zero impact ?
Well I guess you missed the extremer weather over the last years ?
The extended Forrest fires
The extreme droughts of the last years
Huge portions of Antarctica and North Pole breaking off
Sea level rising ( which is a REAL problem where I live)

Again, you do you, I'll do me, but don't deny the undeniable
TLDR;

The problem is people forget the past. The next generations seem to think the world started when they finally left the land of "Puff the magic dragon". They treat the globe as if it was a static never changing entity. They assume that there has never been dramatic changes in climate on the earth in the past. Yet we KNOW based on an abundance of anthropological and archeological evidence that there have been wild swings of climate on our planet over the myriad centuries. Yet we seem to have this belief that the last 200 years "man" has somehow begun "destroying the planet" and if we don't do something now we are going to cook.

There is evidence that massive forest fires raged periodically across North America long before the Europeans deigned to settle here. I'm not sure how "extreme" the droughts have been over the last years, in distant years past people just moved or died off during droughts. Antarctica is a continent, and I am unaware of any large land-masses having broken away from it. On the Sea-Level front, this is one of the most bogus arguments. "Water World" is only 5 years away or something, here we come. Just a thought here, but I might suggest that if you need waders to get in your house, you might thing about moving inland a bit. I can assure you that even if all the ice on planet earth melted, there would be plenty of land for the human population to live on.

I for one am not anxious to have the great lakes area freeze back over. You cannot easily grow food in ice. In general CO2 is good for growing plants. What happened here is we have gone from the ridiculous to the sublime. As a child visiting the grotesquely polluted Potomac river, and watching the Great Lakes literally burning from the pollution, I've seen seriously dramatic improvements in our stewardship of our available resources. The problem is all the people pushing to fix these travesties needed a "next environmental cause", and frankly the pickin's were slim, so the planet is going to melt created a sweeping cause that has been over-hyped to an extreme. With all the stunning success we have had, perhaps we should slow down a bit on the environmental travesty hype.

Which brings us back to getting electricity for EV's. Personally I think EV's are amazing, I love mine, and some excellent points about mixing Solar and other energy sources abound above. We have plenty of time to migrate our energy supply, to lower impact sources and I also think electricity in general is the simplest and least impactful at the point of use and it's going to happen, but we need to have a little less hysterics and allow technology to gradually shift the burden of electrical production to more efficient means such as solar. The current ICE vehicle creates a literal small fraction of the pollution it did just 50-60 years ago. This was accomplished by improving the technology which also dramatically increased the efficiency. I think EV / battery technology is on the verge of some dramatic breakthroughs. At this point I think we need to see a doubling of storage energy density to make EV's truly viable at a larger scale. I think we will, and gradually we should, make use of these technologies which will feed a continual increase in the percentage of energy coming from non-volitile sources.

I think at some point energy production is likely to become much more decentralized as the battery tech improves. The long term (long after I'm gone) wildcard is the current trending worldwide population decline. I don't see this as bad/good one way or the other, but I do see that every time "we" try to force outcomes it seems there are unexpected results, thus I think a much lighter touch on energy policy is warranted. It is stupid to force people to pay 5 times as much for the energy to meet their daily needs. OTOH if it makes sense, small increases that promote new technologies and make them viable are often good investments long term. At this point in my life I'm just going to watch.
 
So many of these already in Chit Chat though.

Can you combine as well as split? Append to an existing related thread?
(although if meshed by date, could be difficult to follow. Unless this thread got most in the past day.)
 
Moved these posts into their own thread in chit-chat. Have at it.
The world opinion is changing. I like the basement…. Just like at mom and dad’s until turned 18 and got kicked out of nest. Tough love was lost on future generations thus why there are adult growing pains on display. Real world..

Thanks for the new thread. 🤡
 
The us had as far I know 250.000 directly related deaths in a single year

Really.. so I guess the 250.000 deaths were a joke..
Gimme a freak break


Flu reported to kill an average of 30,000 ~ 40,000 per year.
But CDC estimates that is undercounted 15x.
So 450,000 ~ 600,000 flu deaths per year.

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2021 to 2022, only 5000 flu deaths reported.

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Were the Covid precautions so effective that Flu deaths dropped by a factor of 6 ~ 8?
Or, were all those deaths simply reported as Covid?

Covid attributed deaths reached 1,000,000 over 3 years.

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Covid, I think, deaths weren't underreported nearly as much as flu. Would you agree?

Seems like the annual deaths due to Covid may not be any higher than CDC estimate of deaths due to Flu in prior years.
 
So I am going back and forth on whether or not to continue in this conversation.

My passion and subsequent “anger” stem from the medical establishments inability to separate facts and reality from personal gain.
In April of 2020 I was on social media, screaming from the roof tops about masks. I was silenced and removed from twitter, instagram, and Facebook. I was 48 hours away from being walked off campus of my employer for refusing to be a test subject. Because of CMS (which falls under the fda).
Why?
Because every other variant of coronavirus as well as every other RNA based respiratory virus has been classified as airborne.
Examples of RNA based respiratory viruses include: rhinovirus, rsv, all variants of influenza, and other common variants of coronaviruses.

Prior to the debacle of 2020 the common cold referred to most of these core viral pathogens (particularly rhinovirus and coronavirus (non covid19)

In saying that, the medical community HAS had pandemic responses designed for such events. Especially due to prior outbreaks of various bird and swine flus.

Prior to 2020 there was not one single peer reviewed study to demonstrate the efficacy of even n95 masks let alone cotton based home sewn masks in efforts to prevent transmission.
Why? Because that is not their function.
Many knee jerk react to the “but surgeons wear them” yes they do, so that they don’t excrete saliva and normal flora bacteria into your open incision

Then came the attack on “horse paste” there was absolutely zero good faith in this. This is objectively heinous. Ivermectin has been used as a prophylactic in the African continent for decades. Why? Because of the value it has in eliminating foreign substances from the body (ie parasites)

Covid 19 was considered “novel” because the human body had not been previously exposed to it.
As with other airborne viruses, EVERYONE will become exposed to it. Overtime it loses its effect of being “novel”
Combine this with the notion that the only job of a virus is to survive, historically looking at data, as pathogens become more virulent, they become less transmissible and/or Vice versa. This isn’t an unwritten law, but if a virus kills its host before it can replicate, then it cannot survive.
So after a year or even 18 months we see new variants, with new doom porn, that counters what science REALLY teaches.

I never once denied the deaths that happened. But would encourage others to scrutinize WHY they happened.

Research ecohealth alliance, research fort Detrick, research the DoD patent for Covid-19
Research the first SARS event in China 20 years ago as well as the MERS event of the Middle East
What happened the last time they attempted to utilize MRNA technology?

How did 5 drug manufacturers allegedly receive a synthetic sequence, and all computer model a vaccine the same month when there’s never been a successful MRNA vaccine in history, nor has there ever been a successful vaccine to RNA based respiratory viruses (they mutate too rapidly)
Additionally, there had never been a successful vaccine to ANY RNA based virus, not just respiratory viruses (examples of non respiratory rna messenger viruses would be hepatitis C, HIV, Ebola, and measles)
One of those drug manufacturers are the heaviest penalized company in the US. That same manufacturer now acknowledges that there are people who have received the shot and gotten mad cow disease. A prion disease. How does that happen? What else is caused from prions. They know exactly why already. They knew before the first injection. Their test mice died

This week, CMS via the CDC finally announced that 5 day isolation for Covid is arbitrary and to now utilize the same factors as influenza for both isolation as well as inpatient precautions.
Why do you think that is?

Why did we close schools when the data NEVER once supported it. What effect did that now cause on an entire generation?
In that same timeline I was screaming about how it would impact mental health and suicide rates.

Was the juice worth the squeeze?
We destroyed the economy, we destroyed faith in science as a whole, we destroyed the minds of an entire generation, and they will never be able to turn society back to the way things once were.

If you look at the event in its totality, and REALLY scrutinize, it is hard to conclude anything other than intent, greed, or simply millions of unqualified people in roles that they should not be in.

They bold faced lied about the dangers, the risk groups, rationale treatment regimens, origins, causes of death, and then gaslight anyone who points it out.
Day after day we see acknowledgment of every one of these farces, quietly and slowly being dismantled one by one. They perfectly executed a playbook on what NOT to do

What happened to influenza and RSV in the winter of 2020 and 2021?

Separately, why was an influenza vaccine developed? Since it’s inception has it delivered on its promise? I encourage you to source and verify the data.
It was promised to curb death in the elderly (the high risk group)
Since it’s inception, elderly death rate of influenza is higher than before.

Why were 100 AIDS scientists killed on flight MH-17? Who was the forefather of the AIDS response?

Why?
 
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Lysol noted that it could kill covid-19 before covid-19 existed.
We caught covid before it was such a thing in November of 2019 from the grandkids. It was really bad and we were quite ill but it wasn't until the following January that it became a thing when a certain world leader decided to politicize it.
It's just the flu, a rather unpleasant flu nonetheless. My Mum reminded me of an Asian flu that was just as bad in 1969.
 
I'm inclined to agree with everything you say except,
you appear to indicate n95 doesn't work against Covid.
N95 is quite effective against respiratory viruses including Covid, based on studies of field use. And anecdotes of a doctor who spent much of 2020 intubating Covid patients with no protection other than N95.

Sure, the virus will continue to circulate until it finally gets to you. But you survive until it's harmfulness is watered down.
 
I'm inclined to agree with everything you say except,
you appear to indicate n95 doesn't work against Covid.
N95 is quite effective against respiratory viruses including Covid, based on studies of field use. And anecdotes of a doctor who spent much of 2020 intubating Covid patients with no protection other than N95.

Sure, the virus will continue to circulate until it finally gets to you. But you survive until it's harmfulness is watered down.
My point was that “6 feet” along with 5-15 year olds not displaying visual signs of illness (viral particle count must be high enough for symptoms to readily spread, unless one is simply a carrier)
These all go against the design of the mask.
I’m not saying that there should have been zero masks. But that the masking of healthy people was counterintuitive in design of “protecting others”
FFS they wanted my kid to cut hole in his mask for his trumpet mouthpiece and then another mask on the end of the instrument.
This is the definition of lunacy
 
Masking health people was the way to keep healthy people healthy.
So could be entirely voluntary.

One summer, Santa Clara County health department said if all people in a room were vaccinated, masks did not have to be worn.

If they were honest, they would have said vaccine looks to be 90% effective, leaves you with 10% chance of infection. Mask is 80% effective, leaves you with 20% chance of infection. Wear a mask even though vaccinated and chance of infection drops to 2%. Your choice.

(We knew Delta was raging in LA, short distance away, and would be here soon.)

They didn't care that some people would get sick and die because they took the mask off. What was more important was to dangle a carrot in front of the vaccine hesitant.

Infection rate picked up and remained stubbornly high for months.

Infection rate cycles high periodically. Was quite high this past December and January, as shown by wastewater. But hospitalization remains low compared to the past when infection rates were lower.

You don't want to get Covid. It damages organs and gets into the brain. Maybe a low level of damage happening throughout the population now.
 
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Since they both used Trust the Science.

The mask makers wrote warnings and put them on side of mask box will not prevent or stop covid then ppl simply tied a rag around their face used it over and over Petra dish effect.

Ppl were being tested to how much they would comply. The govt was pleased with the willingness of ppl to comply. We have the best govt money can buy.

We as a free society failed and gave up freedoms for false security and in process lost as well 2 years off our lives by complying. $5 trillion dollars for American cost of “covid - money spent on transgender studies in foreign countries.” Among other things. Children least group likelt more or less forced to vax. Our govt leaned on business to force employees to vax.

I’d say we failed the Freedom Test. Sweden said No to mask. So….

Strange how the USA lost more ppl to covid than any other country. Just strange. Open the flood gates and let the illegal immigrants in. Remember those 5 democrat governors that flooded old folks homes with ppl infected with covid. Remember those old folk were most at risk.

Most ppl missed those things but are waking up. There is no statute of limitations for murder.

Some ppl in the public trust have lost it.
 
Initially my knee jerk also included the climate aspect. Unfortunately, I’m over my skis in this realm as that’s not what I studied. But objectivity is just as straight forward in any case.
I followed the Michael Mann defamation trial closely
For those not familiar with Michael Mann is an atmospheric science professor, made the “hockey stick” graph of 1999 regarding climate temps and really kick started the Al Gore speak of society.
The problem? He would not share the math on how to replicate that. Saying it’s proprietary.
So how can his work then be peer reviewed? In short it can’t, except by those in the same payroll.
What happened to the dissenters?
See link below


Here’s an example of how Michael Mann and the like operate

Additionally he launched sexual attacks at other women scientists such as Judith Curry saying she was “sleeping her way to the top”
He falsely told a nasa scientist that she had an affair with a married professor
He acknowledged these facts were incorrect in court, and refused to apologize
He criticized fellow climate scientist Steven mcyntire as “human filth” for stevens critique of the hockey stick data
Penn State wanted to censure Mann for scientific malfeasance but the president of PSU Graham Spanier blocked it (he later served time for blocking the the Jerry Sandusky investigation)

It came out in the trial that his data was in fact, erroneous

This sounds nearly identical to how the fauci, ralph baric, Peter daszaks operate when questioned on gain of function research.
 
Really.. so I guess the 250.000 deaths were a joke..
Gimme a freak break
Nobody said that people didn't die - but the average age of those dying 'from' or 'with' Covid was the same as the average life expectancy... i.e. in the U.K., people dying 'from' or 'with' Covid had an average age of 83 - and the average life expectancy was 82...
How is that a 'pandemic' when the people dying are dying at the same age they would die anyway?
Secondly, all 'Covid' deaths were diagnosed as such only because of a fake 'PCR test' (the inventor of which, Kary Mullis, said couldn't be used for quantitative measurements, i.e. you cannot use PCR to find out how much of a virus a person has in their bloodstream, only that it exists - but Kary Mullis says that with PCR you can find literally ANYTHING you want to, in somebody's blood, because it is such an effective amplifier of DNA.
Do you know what a PCR Cycle Threshold is? It's the number of times you amplify the chosen DNA that you are searching for - during the Scamdemic, they were using higher and higher Cycle Thresholds, in order to get a 'positive' result.
Even though a 'positive' PCR test didn't mean you actually had any SYMPTOMS - you know - actually being ILL. Yet millions of people were sent home for work for two weeks, all over the West, because they had a 'positive test', but nothing wrong with them.
Have you not watched 'Event 201', from November 2019?
The so-called 'vaccines' (which are MRNA gene therapies, not 'vaccines') don't stop you from getting 'Covid 19' (i.e. a positive result on a fake test), don't stop you from transmitting it, and therefore don't WORK, but we haven't got our money back from the pharmaceutical companies yet...

Again, I ask - why aren't thousands of 'unvaccinated' people (like me) dying from 'Covid' every month in the U.K., if Covid was a 'deadly virus'?
 
To put it more simply - just as they did with 'AIDS', Big Pharma redefined deaths FROM OTHER CAUSES as 'Covid' deaths, by using a fraudulent 'test'.
If you tested positive, your death from cancer, dementia, pneumonia, heart attack, etc. was redefined and added to the 'Covid death' numbers, even though you didn't have respiratory symptoms... and therefore didn't die from 'Covid', which is a respiratory illness.
It isn't hard to understand.

If Covid was a real, deadly virus, with a high infection fatality rate (note how they never talk about the IFR now), then the UK government wouldn't have held staff parties (Boris Johnson, anyone?) because they would have been terrified of dying from 'Covid', and they would STILL be harrassing and threatening the 'unvaccinated' (like me), because of the alleged 'threat' we represent.

All those unvaccinated people went on marches in their tens of thousands, all ignoring the ridiculous 'two metre rule', yet they weren't dropping dead.

All those police officers who were happy to PHYSICALLY ARREST protesters who were obviously unvaccinated... why weren't the police terrified of catching the 'deadly virus' from people they were manhandling, gripping, holding, touching, and breathing the breath of? Isn't that strange...
 

As I have noted in the past, the western world came within a knife’s edge of being completely subjugated and placed under perpetual medical tyranny by a coalition of government officials, globalist interests and corporate partners. Liberty movement analysts have talked often of “open conspiracy,” but it was not until the pandemic response that we truly witnessed the mask come off and the greater agenda revealed.

Not more than five years ago the most common retort from skeptics was that such a conspiracy was “impossible” because it was “too elaborate to organize.” Today these people look rather foolish. It is undeniable – There is a cabal of power elites, they are highly organized around the globalist ideology and they want total centralized control of society. It is an immutable fact supported by endless proof. The debate is over. The covid response ended it.

The list of crimes against civil liberties is long. The establishment and the political left (with the help of a handful of Neocons) tried to implement unprecedented authoritarian measures from business and church shutdowns to forced masking (studies show the masks are useless) to forced vaccination using experimental mRNA products with no long term safety testing. In some countries (including New Zealand and Australia) covid camps were actually built to imprison not just citizens traveling overseas, but non-traveling citizens as well. Legislation to build such camps was pushed in the US.

A large percentage of Democrats in polls supported even more extreme policies, including:

55% of Democrats wanted fines for unvaxxed Americans.
59% of Democrats wanted the unvaccinated forcefully confined to their homes.
48% of Democrats wanted prison time for anyone that questioned the vaccines.
47% of Democrats were in favor of government tracking of the unvaxxed.
29% of Democrats were in favor or taking children away from the unvaxxed.


So, if someone tells you there “are no sides” and that the conflict is an illusion created by the “false left/right paradigm,” you know they are full of manure. There are definitely sides and the globalists are not our only concern. And though there are always nuances to take into consideration, exceptions to the rule do not change the rule.

As many leftists openly admitted during the mandates, the goal was to make life so miserable for the unvaccinated that they would eventually comply in order to survive. In this way, establishment elites and leftists could claim that people “volunteered” for the vaccines and no one was forced. What they really meant was, no one was forced at gunpoint, but we all knew that threat was coming next.

Keep in mind that all of these measures were rationalized in the name of “saving lives.” No lives were saved by the mandates. The official median infection fatality rate of covid is a mere 0.23%. In other words, all of these constitutional violations were attempted over a virus that 99.8% of people would inevitably catch and easily survive. I continue to suspect that the establishment expected covid to kill far more people than it did – When lab created diseases get out into the wild they change rapidly, usually evolving to be more infectious but less deadly.

The cabal is not all powerful and certainly not infallible. They make mistakes often. The covid agenda relied on multiple disjointed factors that were difficult to predict and most of them had to work in tandem. One of those factors was the dependency on the political left (a group of weaklings) to act as useful idiots and mob enforcers. Frankly, leftists just aren’t frightening enough to inspire compliance.

Another factor was the assumption that the response of conservative and independent free thinkers would be limited and easy to control. Finally, most if not all state governments in the US had to enforce the mandates for the duration.

Globalists seem to have greatly underestimated the potential resistance to their agenda, specifically in the US where 50 million+ armed citizens were ready to go to war over the draconian restrictions. I think the vaccine passports were the KEY to the scheme; vax passports would have given the establishment full spectrum dominance of the economy with people unable to get jobs or purchase necessities without submitting to the mandates.

It was here that many conservatives, independents and dozens of red states (to my surprise) made their stand, and suddenly, like magic, the covid hysteria vanished. The media propaganda campaign went quiet (compared to the previous two years), and the mandates were abandoned in most places around the world. The globalists were not ready to risk a fight against a massive insurgency.

It has been suggested that the covid agenda is about to make a comeback with a new hyped up strain of the virus. If this is the case, then the attempt will hit a wall. With even more Americans aware of the pointlessness of the mandates and the masks it is unlikely to gain much traction. Of course, as long as the people behind these schemes remain unpunished, they will be free to try again and again until something sticks.

Government agencies and officials like Anthony Fauci remain unpunished for their numerous covid lies. Joe Biden remains unpunished for his attempts to supplant the Bill of Rights. The mainstream media and Big Tech companies remain unpunished for their collusion in propaganda and censorship efforts.

And, let’s not gloss over the fact that Donald Trump promoted the fast-tracked mRNA vaccine programs (I will admit that as far as I know he never called for people to be forced to comply).

He also placed many technocrats and globalists within his own cabinet who would later go on to help institute authoritarian policies. How much these people influenced him or lied to him is up for debate, but his current prosecution does not negate his role leading up to the lockdowns. If there is an election in 2024 and Trump re-enters the White House, remember that no president is going to save us from this fight, we must save ourselves.

The goal of the globalists will be to move swiftly into other crisis events, whether real or fabricated, to bring the population to heel. Enter today’s climate change hysteria…
 
The covid agenda and the climate change agenda are very similar in that they rely on a core fallacy. The lie is that these events are actually dictated by human behavior, and thus human behavior must be controlled in the name of the “greater good.” The idea goes beyond this, though, into the realm of collectivism; for the globalists and leftists assert that each individual action affects the lives of the rest of the population in a great and unedning hive. Therefore, every single person must have their lives micromanaged by the state to prevent some kind of chain reaction that leads to catastrophe for the precious bug colony.

This was the claim during the covid farce, and it’s also the claim for climate change and carbon restrictions. They have fabricated yet another excuse for eliminating personal freedoms. For covid it was the air we each breath out that would supposedly destroy public health, and for climate change it is once again the air we breath out that will supposedly destroy the world. Coincidence? I think not.

During the lockdowns, numerous globalists and globalist connected climate researchers publicly expressed joy at the suggestion that covid lockdowns could be useful for reducing carbon emissions. The phrase “climate lockdowns” started circulating around major conferences and in various globalist funded studies.

These studies obviously show a precipitous drop in human based carbon emissions during the lockdowns, but still do not provide any evidence that man-made emissions actually cause climate changes. This remains the underlying con game of the climate narrative – Climate researchers with access to billions in government funds and think-tank funds happily operate on the ASSUMPTION that emissions cause warming, when in fact they have zero evidence to support this position. Correlation is not causation.

This summer, the media has been relentlessly pounding the climate propaganda drum to a degree that mimics the covid propaganda of a couple years ago. The nihilistic reports of impending “global boiling” are built upon a house of cards. Almost all climate crisis claims are based on records of a little over 100 years old. The Earth’s climate history is vast and there have been numerous warming periods much hotter than today. All of these warming events occurred during periods of ample animal and plant life and without human industry to blame.

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The climate bogeyman is nothing more than another covid-like fraud, a vehicle for grabbing power and erasing our freedoms. There is no threat, and even if there was there is nothing that human beings could do about it since we have no bearing whatsoever on the course of the Earth’s temperatures. The world’s climate has been changing for millions of years, and there is no difference between the changes of today vs the changes of the past.

The globalists know that to achieve the “new world order” or the “great reset” they desire, a large percentage of the population has to be onboard. And since most people have a measure of conscience as well as self interest, their enslavement has to be presented as a positive. Tthey must be made to believe that by embracing slavery they are saving the planet and the lives of others.

None of this is true of course, but as long as the populace thinks they are doing good they can often be manipulated into supporting immense evil.
 























 
I'm inclined to agree with everything you say except,
you appear to indicate n95 doesn't work against Covid.
N95 is quite effective against respiratory viruses including Covid, based on studies of field use. And anecdotes of a doctor who spent much of 2020 intubating Covid patients with no protection other than N95.

Sure, the virus will continue to circulate until it finally gets to you. But you survive until it's harmfulness is watered down.
N95 Only works in so far that it is properly fitted, and removed. A respirator is the only sure thing. N95 was something like 95% effective at trapping, and to be truly effective would require cleansing and immediate disposal at regular intervals, just like you would if you put on a respirator, then hosed it down before removal, and sanitized it after every exposure. This is what made the whole mask response such a farce.

It's about achieving a sufficient viral load to get infected. Replace 'Covid-19' with Sarin gas or some other toxic respiratory compound. "Yea, I'm just gonna throw on this N95, that will work". Darwin award coming up. Thus a properly administered and fitted N95 may help keep you from getting a sufficient viral load, but it needs to be worn sparingly, only during contact and disposed of immediately after, and a new N95 fitted at the next exposure, with limited exposure time.

Which is of course totally feasible for the general population.
 
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You need to stop looking at "Covid deaths" and start looking at plain old deaths. How many people died in the US in 2018,19,20,21,22,23,... period, for any reason.

So the last time I checked some of the latter year data was not available in simple terms, I was on the CDC site, but there was a significant increase in overall deaths during the 'Pandemic'. Significant does not "staggeringly large" make. Statistically as a percentage of the population it was not that large. If you add age to the break down it is dramatically higher in the higher age groups. I've been meaning to follow-up and check for declines, ie a dip in the curve, but some of data has been obfuscated, making weeding thru it more difficult. My guess is you will see a significant dip in the percentage of old people dying, and a mild decrease in other age groups. In other word the weakest medically are generally the most affected by any health related issues, and are more likely to have something catch up with them.
 

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