All Electric Tractor

Nobodybusiness said:

I have a Ryobi 540e that I swapped out the lead acid for LIFEPO4.
Works great.
Better than trying to drag my Kubota around with a 60’ land pride mower.

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What is the size of your lawn mower battery pack? I’d set it up as emergency power capable. Same for the tractor for OP. Imagine a PTO. … Power Take Off as in the form of an electric power extension cable. ??

Think ppl need to look at EV the same way for emergency situations. Or an integrated home power solution. The Arabs use to drive their vehicles at night across the desert with no head lights while max charging their car battery…. When get home hook their radio or tv up to their car battery.

D71 said:

What is the size of your lawn mower battery pack? I’d set it up as emergency power capable. Same for the tractor for OP. Imagine a PTO. … Power Take Off as in the form of an electric power extension cable. ??

Think ppl need to look at EV the same way for emergency situations. Or an integrated home power solution. The Arabs use to drive their vehicles at night across the desert with no head lights while max charging their car battery…. When get home hook their radio or tv up to their car battery.

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Originally it was 115ah AGMs.
4 X 12v AGM.

Since I already had the 280ah cells I just used them.
They fit quiet nice.
Use a JK 200 amp BMS.
You can’t use the original charger because it has a lead acid profile on it so I have to use a Dakota 48v 15 amp charger.

Can cut the 6 acres that are in grass / weeds and still have 50% left over.
Takes a few hours to recharge with that small charger but that’s fine.
Only gets used one a week.

Suppose I could hook it up to the battery bank if needed.

Have a Winco 25KW PTO generator I use to charge my bank when needed.

My PTO HP is only about 35 so only get 13-15 KW out of it.
Would have to get a 50 HP PTO tractor to get full power out of it.
Don’t need anything that big for 20 acres.

Nobodybusiness said:

Originally it was 115ah AGMs.
4 X 12v AGM.

Since I already had the 280ah cells I just used them.
They fit quiet nice.
Use a JK 200 amp BMS.
You can’t use the original charger because it has a lead acid profile on it so I have to use a Dakota 48v 15 amp charger.

Can cut the 6 acres that are in grass / weeds and still have 50% left over.
Takes a few hours to recharge with that small charger but that’s fine.
Only gets used one a week.

Suppose I could hook it up to the battery bank if needed.

Have a Winco 25KW PTO generator I use to charge my bank when needed.

My PTO HP is only about 35 so only get 13-15 KW out of it.
Would have to get a 50 HP PTO tractor to get full power out of it.
Don’t need anything that big for 20 acres.

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I’m sure you probably saved a ton of weight with the battery swap? The agm are heavy.
I was thinking more like this. Or bigger Victron with built in battery charging from grid…. And wall mounted. Or AIO for solar option.



cheapest AIO is what I have for my emergency system - MPP Solar 3048 … Think the smaller version of mpp solar aio inverter are more or about same price. There are growatt too. Most everyone have to upgrade their chargers anyway. Again they would redefine PTO power take off. ??

Wall mount.



just crazy ideas hahaha…. imagine being able to use mower as mobile 120volt power station with smaller Victron 120 setup. Some of those have gfci outlets I chatted with few ppl on here that swapped their electric mowers over to lifepo. I think this is a missed opportunity to use the mowers for more then grass cutting yard work …rest of the time they are just sitting there. ??
this could apply to golf carts too

D71 said:

I’m sure you probably saved a ton of weight with the battery swap? The agm are heavy.
I was thinking more like this. Or bigger Victron with built in battery charging from grid…. And wall mounted. Or AIO for solar option.

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cheapest AIO is what I have for my emergency system - MPP Solar 3048 … Think the smaller version of mpp solar aio inverter are more or about same price. There are growatt too. Most everyone have to upgrade their chargers anyway. Again they would redefine PTO power take off. ??

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just crazy ideas hahaha…. imagine being able to use mower as mobile 120volt power station with smaller Victron 120 setup. Some of those have gfci outlets I chatted with few ppl on here that swapped their electric mowers over to lifepo. I think this is a missed opportunity to use the mowers for more then grass cutting yard work …rest of the time they are just sitting there. ??
this could apply to golf carts too

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Lost about 60lbs. Guesstimate.

You know that’s not a half bad idea.

I will look into it.

There is room on the back for an inverter and I could use the charger instead of the little Dakota.

Could have a 15kWh mobile power source..

I think people with golf carts do this already.

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aenyc said:

Incredibly difficult to get rid of big brother aka OTA/Internet connected vehicles. (Which is everything since around 2018 or so)
As someone who has recently attempted to do so in my 2020 vehicle, there are definitely provisions there that make it extremely difficult.
Here are some:

1. Uses ESIM, no way to pull out the SIM
2. There are 4 LTE antennas and the controller triangulates among the 4 to get signal (3 are external, 1 internal).
3. Disconnecting the module produces all kinds of errors in the car, and they can not be coded out (Those in the know will know what this means)
4. Physically disconnecting 3 external antennas still makes the device operate on the fourth internal antenna. (And also lights up the dash with all kinds of errors that can not be coded out)
5. No way to "Code out" internet connectivity alone.
6. Coding in "Transport Mode" (FLight mode) will disable this, but it also disables things like Airbags, and a lot of other safety systems and also limits car speed to 25mph.

This is just some of the stuff i discovered. Still trying.
Glad i have my 2014 where all kind of connectivity is easily disabled by just pulling out the SIM

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Was their a certain year this became standard or is 2018ish just seemingly a prevalent year for transition to connected cars for OTA updates?

G00SE said:

Was their a certain year this became standard or is 2018ish just seemingly a prevalent year for transition to connected cars for OTA updates?

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I don’t know when it started exactly but do know they were pushing for biometric scanning to check your ability to operate a vehicle - alcohol - drug impairment for vehicle operation or shutdown. Had stated might even notify law enforcement as a check box.



Insurance company Progressive was also getting ppl to electronic report - self monitor their driving for cheaper rates. Hahaha ppl were doing it.

so ppl can maybe understand their goals of control….. we installed monitoring devices on airplane and locomotives and such 40-50 years ago. Tesla does downloads on their owners all the time especially when vehicles is in an accidents.

G00SE said:

Was their a certain year this became standard or is 2018ish just seemingly a prevalent year for transition to connected cars for OTA updates?

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just about, although i think there is an actual mandate for all cars 2024 and later to have a remote killswitch.
crazy yes

Onstar like in GM is 2 way communication and use to cut off vehicle when reported stolen____ high tech low jack services. Most makers have a likewise system. Hyundai is blue link. Toyota is toyota’s own name.

The newest version of chevy colorado trucks were having problems of being bricked with OTA updates. They were running the battery down as a result - stuck in loop trying to update.
We ran into same problems doing ota updates with locomotives and them being bricked decade or so back. former EMD locomotives were GM products before being taken over by Progressive Rail. They had locomotives using the trimmed version of Windows XP and you probably know how much windows computers like to update software. ?? They bricked EMD locomotives all the time. Ruined them for reliability then in swoops Progressive Rail buy out. Hahaha

Imagine this we designed systems to operate the locomotives by monitoring our best locomotive engineers operating over those exact tracks. The locomotives are capable of operating without an engineer now. Only thing keeping a locomotive engineer’s - operator job is regulations by FRA and Unions.

Got a friend that operates farm equipment on ~1000 acre farm his John Deer tractor is mostly gps satellite ota setup. It is how they pull off those perfect rows. Those tractors are very expensive too. He lost his family farm to hostile buy out - made to expensive for him to operate. They kept him on to continue - they just own his farm and he is an employee. Sort of way communist did take overs. Communism is an economic system - platform. China has at least 2x billionaires compared to USA. They - china have our population plus a billion more ppl too. ??

most countries unless changed the pilot in commercial jets was just along for the ride. The computers could and did do it all. In USA FAA required pilots be in charge around 100 ‘ ft of ground for take off landings or crashing. ?? The computers could and proven do better job with wind shears during take off for jets. Only if all the sensors are working correctly. Humans can do amazing seat of the pants adjustments…. and or corrections from unforeseen incidents.… whereas computers can’t.

aenyc said:

just about, although i think there is an actual mandate for all cars 2024 and later to have a remote killswitch.
crazy yes

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Thx for the feedback. I knew it was coming, also noticed the prevalence on many vehicles but wasn’t sure if there was still a couple that got thru the cracks. All my junk is from before 2010 ?

This one looks cheaper...

Have you evaluated the battery lifespan and the cost of battery replacement/disposal? I am only saying this because the video advertises it as goodbye to diesel costs, but is it looking at the complete picture over the lifetime of the machine?
Things like cost of solar, cost of panel replacement, solar viability (especially in Alaska, you gotta lose some efficiency at that longitude), and then everything as it relates to the machine itself (battery, charging, battery degradation in cold climate, maintenance and support, etc).
I am curious to see these details, but my gut tells me it wont be cheaper than diesel in the long run.
The only thing it has going for it is complete SHTF scenario (ie. no access to fuel) but even then it would only last until there is a battery issue.

Key he mentioned not good for PTO work. Can do it but…. Most ppl like to mow or bush hog or plow.

As aenyc points out the battery is now the cost and concern as well as controls. If emp goes off probably won’t work depending on location of emp and it. Factors. You can maybe make bio fuel but fairly certain you can’t make replacement battery. Or can you?

Some modern diesel might not work either

D71 said:

Key he mentioned not good for PTO work. Can do it but…. Most ppl like to mow or bush hog or plow.

As aenyc points out the battery is now the cost and concern as well as controls. If emp goes off probably won’t work depending on location of emp and it. Factors. You can maybe make bio fuel but fairly certain you can’t make replacement battery. Or can you?

Some modern diesel might not work either

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Yeah, for sure. With solar flares and such, would need to build a faraday garage for this thing.

aenyc said:

Have you evaluated the battery lifespan and the cost of battery replacement/disposal? I am only saying this because the video advertises it as goodbye to diesel costs, but is it looking at the complete picture over the lifetime of the machine?
Things like cost of solar, cost of panel replacement, solar viability (especially in Alaska, you gotta lose some efficiency at that longitude), and then everything as it relates to the machine itself (battery, charging, battery degradation in cold climate, maintenance and support, etc).
I am curious to see these details, but my gut tells me it wont be cheaper than diesel in the long run.
The only thing it has going for it is complete SHTF scenario (ie. no access to fuel) but even then it would only last until there is a battery issue.

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Nah, haven't done so yet.

I get the appeal of going all-electric for the environmental and tech benefits, especially for small tasks. However, concerns about software control and battery life are valid. I chose a Kubota L2501 from https://wickhamtractor.com/kubota/ because of its reliability and no-nonsense approach. It's straightforward, powerful enough for various tasks, and I don't worry about software or battery issues.

This Kubota has been great for everything from plowing to minor construction, without the complexity of new tech tractors. While it's not electric, its efficiency and durability make it a solid choice for my needs.

wissamna said:

I get the appeal of going all-electric for the environmental and tech benefits, especially for small tasks. However, concerns about software control and battery life are valid. I chose a Kubota L2501.

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Diesel is just better, I have a little BX and it is just fantastic for my needs. Little backhoe is great, bucket will lift everything I need it to. It also sips fuel. I went with Kubota because the JD 800 series I had before was made around the world, the myth of JD always making parts is just that a myth. I had to go to Yanmar for about everything as it really was a rebranded Yanmar. It lasted a good long time, 4000 hours...yes FOUR THOUSAND. But it was getting old, I am getting old and power steering was really nice. Sneak it into my woods where the larger machines will not go. It also does not dig bad at all with the correct tooth bar and a small bump to bring the hydro pressures where they should be.

Talked to quite a few people over on TBN and it appears kubota puts softer springs in their machines and many could use a shim to bring the pressures into spec. Now with the pressures sitting at the lower end of spec and not below it, the thing will wheelie with the backhoe on and a full load in the bucket.

I am very impressed with the machine.

I highly doubt a battery machine would have a chance in hell at running a work cycle I normally put my machine through. Then I would have a dead tractor a mile away from any way to charge it. Guess that is why generator sales are doing so well.

D71 said:

EV lawnmower marking high light at trade show. Be the star of the neighborhood. If they put lifepo in them would be better. Not going to use in winter in most cases. Setup to use as a backup emergency inverter energy supply - dual purpose. Just an idea. View attachment 189548

You can’t even buy toy drone if it uses any type of gps - your phone because they will track you now. Same would apply to anything on gps for mapping.

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GPS doesn't track anything, they broadcast their own position and the device itself triangulates it's own location if you have more than 3 satellites available..
Do you really think these decades old satellites are there connecting to billions of devices and doing math for them? lmao

All the gov/cell carrier tracking done on phone is via cell tower triangulation. If your GPS is turned on it can be requested to give triangulation info to certain services in the apps etc.. but that isn't relied upon at all and it's easily blocked /spoofed
sim cards have their own chips in them, by that I mean processors. They're their own computing devices. they run micro java with microservices only controlled by the phone carriers. These can't be written to or anything via the phone. They're updated by the carrier and interfaced by the carrier
Phone operating systems can request certain services via the sim card OS.. like phone and texting. This can be allowed or rejected (by the carrier)
The sim is generally always on unless it has no power, which makes the soldered on sims today make more sense.
This stuff is generally only done in USA as well and other countries take note and start adding it slowly. The sim cards people didn't fight against 20 years ago really destroyed handhelds.

Buying a toy quadricopter (I'm assuming you mean) can have a GPS on it, once again the device triangulates itself, no data is sent to anyone. Plenty of GPS modules exist they're very easy to work with and interface. One of the great things USA did was make those satellites publicly available and so easy to use.
GPS mapping is the same thing. You get coordinates and you overlap it onto some drawing (in this case the map of the world) and as long as you put the coordinates in the right place, you will see where you are. No data is sent to anyone.
This is why all "GPS + maps" are usable offline. All you need to do is download the map data.
Google maps has added that functionality like 10 years ago, you don't need cell services nor a sim card nor internet to use the GPS & maps (assuming you downloaded it prior) and plenty of other apps allow you to do it too. You'll need the GPS turned on though (obviously)

Nobodybusiness said:

That’s exactly what they did with emissions crap on diesels.
EPA now shuts down your business.

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Vehicle corporate lobbyists pushed their way into legislation (as they do) that vehicle size has a max "emissions" it can output to kill off smaller trucks etc.
That's why everything is 3 times the size. Need to be big if it has X emissions

I never stated the satelite do anything like you suggested and you laughed about it. Where did you get that thought? That post is several months old….are you trolling?


Most gps are receiver based the old satellite are seen as basic way points. In my area we normally needed clear view to southern sky for best results. On locomotives we usually had 7-8 satellite showing up. We tracked locomotive with gps, 2 - 3 cell phone companies, wifi and couple other methods like mile marker wayside transponders. We completely automated the whole locomotive based on these secure integrated systems… we did the map loadings too. . Again not sure how you thought I said “the satellites were doing the work.”?


The new toy drones like DJI …. broadcast a transponder number…. Also send gps coordinates and altitude reading per FAA ruling-requirements. They are tracking new toy drones on this system. The old drones are illegal without it. Note The dji apps that were on old drones would tattle tale with a cell phone app when connected even before the transponders.
These toy drones with transponders are set id. On real aircraft the transponder id is variable.





The dji toy drones send their last known location back to cell phone so if crash you can find them. The dji app use to tell on you.

I doubt you had a clue… drone that faggott in Biden’s Admin - Transportation pushed this through. No more hobby drones….they must be tracked or FAA - Bidens fee grabbers if caught.
For everyone.

iPhones with their mapping give updated traffic delays because the iphones are sharing our data…. Why the little route lines turn colors. Again by app and operation of iphones are tracking our routes. Siri is also an AI that apple admits logs conversation with it.

Post in thread 'All Electric Tractor'
https://diysolarforum.com/threads/all-electric-tractor.76749/post-980984

“‘’’You can’t even buy toy drone if it uses any type of gps - your phone because they will track you now. Same would apply to anything on gps for mapping.”’’’

Again am still curious how you thought said something that was not said.? I started to take your post as troll attack and just ignore it.

D71 said:

I never stated the satelite do anything like you suggested and you laughed about it. Where did you get that thought? That post is several months old….are you trolling?

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on forums you can reply to people from months ago, that's how they work. Looks like you have that figured out as well as you have all this technology figured out. I'd suggest you learn how things work or you'll keep going on schizo rants being scared of them while not even knowing how to avoid them.
satellite* & Learn to quote people
Also patriot act paved way to all of this invasion.
It takes about 30 minutes to make a quadricopter, make your own.