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Will Prowse

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After a few years of not having to charge one of these, I'm terrified of blowing the caps off the top 😂 no high voltage disconnect, no low voltage disconnect. Valve regulated so if any boiling occurs, huge mess of acid all over the vehicle.

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I'm actually scared to walk near it when it's charging 😂 My dad and I blew one up on accident one time. And to think not long ago people were scared of lithium-iron phosphate, they thought lead acid was safe and reliable. Crazy times.

And charging this thing takes absolutely forever! It's really hard to go back to this. Even if it is for a couple hours
 
When are automakers going to start making alternators for lithium?
I mean 1% daily loss vs 1% monthly loss is a no brainer.
I am surprised it is not already standard on high end or hybrid cars.
I switched my motorcycle battery over to an LFP battery a few years ago. I cranks over better and no more trickle charging over the winter. I can leave it for 6 months and it just fires right up on the spring! Plus the lithium battery is "smart" so it shuts off at a certain level but has an override button on the top so it has a built in jumpstarter (which i have never needed)!
The only issue was that the LFP was half the size of the lead acid, so I had to put rigid foam blocks under it for the battery cable to reach. When the box came, it was so light I thought I had gotten scammed. LOL.
Never going back to lead acid if I can avoid it.
 
I was at one of the local (very large) medical facilities here in NYC, and every elevator had a very interesting notice on the wall.
It said "Charging any Electric Scooter is explicitly prohibited anywhere in this location"
 
I was at one of the local (very large) medical facilities here in NYC, and every elevator had a very interesting notice on the wall.
It said "Charging any Electric Scooter is explicitly prohibited anywhere in this location"
What they really mean to say is no charging cheap electric scooters with sketchy battery packs subject to zero quality control. But they ran out of space on the sign.
 
What they really mean to say is no charging cheap electric scooters with sketchy battery packs subject to zero quality control. But they ran out of space on the sign.

I think its a bit more nuanced than that. Even a "good" battery can become "bad" when with very minor damage, and these scooters that have literally flooded NYC (the third world became even more third world) look very beat up after a while.
 
Any type of stored energy has potential be dangerous even lethal.
We become accustomed to living with it as rituals and with working around it in normalized practices then it becomes less lethal or so it seems - not as dangerous in our mind. Didn’t bite us….yet. The Potential is always there in all stored energy….

Developed a runner today with Lifepo 48 set 4 Himassi 12v battery in series. VIP BMS bluetooth and heaters. The Cell Over Voltage tripped in 1 of my battery - saved by BMS. Probably not. Inverter and charge controllers need to be linked to bms. Because both MPP Solar 3048 inverter and then tested Victron 150/35 Smart Solar charge controller were trying throw the coal to it. The bms saved and opened the COV function.

I was testing the Victron charge controller and had solar cut from MPP 3048 inverter. The watts was bouncing up and down rapidly. Had seen this with MPP 3048 but not as dramatic. Both when tried separately were trying pour the coal to the batteries. ….. I had thought my MPP 3048 was defective….why hooked up Victron.

Blue tooth in batteries for bms is an excellent tool. I pinpointed the exact rogue cell in the exact battery causing the trouble. Unfortunately Himassi battery company is gone. 🤣 I knew they would be. I figure these were are b cells due to the price at the time. Wild part if put the system under a load vs no load the battery cell will normalize and disparity will return to normal. Next charge it zooms back up. If bms talked to inverter then would put the brakes on. Maybe. 🤡🤣🥸

The Blue tooth on the batteries are great but imagine communication like some server racks would be better. The VIP BMS did the job of protecting everything else. These batteries are about a year old.the batteries indicated 100% SOC by all the VIP BMS . Both mppt charge units were set up properly. The Victron was in absorption mode….state with 56.4 volts when that cell went into over voltage protection from bms. I think communication between battery and charger would have shut down the charge controller…. So… might look at rack batteries next. 🤡🤣 Solar Addiction.



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Think am going to try one of these next. RS485 rj45 to MPP 3048.
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Some ppl might be tempted say you should have bought better ,,,,, there are reports of expensive battleborn doing the same. Run away cells exist in the wild. 🤣 Stored energy has potential get loose let smoke out.. 🤣

First AGM battery ever charged about burned my Harley down while charging it - caught on fire. Used bolt cutters cut cables cut hold downs picked battery up with channel locks tossed out of garage. It eventually went out. Friend shorted 12v dc batter out on his car - didnt secure battery it blew up messed his hood up. Stored energy is dangerous. Btw you are not an electrical worker until been shocked a few times.. 🤣 Surviving means you had life changing - learning experience. 🤣 Other means family buried. 😞

Edit added forgot best part the Manufacturer CYA.
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More edit: The late action they are in sync.
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Old lead acid battery rebuilders could often rebuild them. I don’t think we see that with modern lifepo batteries. The old lead batteries - was recycled - melted down for the lead and turned into bullets too. 🤡🤣
 
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Roughly 40 years ago I was working at a car dealer. It was horrid cold. We move a car in that would not start, put the charger on it, start the car and close the hood. A few minutes later.....KABOOM.....The battery exploded, bent the hood, and acid went everywhere. Part of the battery went into the fan (not electric but belt driven) and flung acid everywhere under the hood.

I never figured that at all, totally crazy.

Next time I will tell you about the semi that had a bearing failure on the trailer.....and the trailer was full of hogs. That was another fun one.
 
Roughly 40 years ago I was working at a car dealer. It was horrid cold. We move a car in that would not start, put the charger on it, start the car and close the hood. A few minutes later.....KABOOM.....The battery exploded, bent the hood, and acid went everywhere. Part of the battery went into the fan (not electric but belt driven) and flung acid everywhere under the hood.

I never figured that at all, totally crazy.

Next time I will tell you about the semi that had a bearing failure on the trailer.....and the trailer was full of hogs. That was another fun one.

Have seen 3 explode.

I remember a guy in the shop, 4 times after he had one explode, he would get these little zits on his arm. He would go and squeeze the "zit" and a little shard of black plastic from the battery case would pop out.
 
Never if you want your car to work when it's below freezing.




Freezing temperatures. You need a base power source for the vehicle that's able to charge and discharge in the cold.
But how then do Teslas work in the cold? I have friends that use theirs to go skiing.
It seems that if electric cars can keep the big battery pack operable (I imagine with heating pads), then they can keep a little 12v battery warm enough to work.
 
Well waiting 45 minutes to drive if you didn't plan ahead would suck. I guess the people I know must leave their Teslas constantly heating.
I know their cars seem to be constantly cycling the fans or A/C in the summer because you can hear the system always cycling on and off.

My favorite part of the instructions is:
If you have silver door handles, to open the car door when it is freezing: punch the car around the handle with increasing force, repeating as necessary, until you can forcefully open the handle!

By the way, it you have black door handles the process is completely different!

For black door handles you must do your best Bruce Lee ninja thumb jam to the front and back of the handle repeatedly until it loosens up. Then open and close the handle until the door finally opens.

Oh, and make sure the handle is fully retracted before even thinking about getting into your car (both black and silver handles)! You should also check that the door is fully closed before driving away (as apparently that is enough of an issue that Tesla felt it should be included in the manual).
Got it? Piece of cake!
 
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Well waiting 45 minutes to drive if you didn't plan ahead would suck. I guess the people I know must leave their Teslas constantly heating.
I know their cars seem to be constantly cycling the fans or A/C in the summer because you can hear the system always cycling on and off.

My favorite part of the instructions is:
If you have silver door handles, to open the car door when it is freezing: punch the car around the handle with increasing force, repeating as necessary, until you can forcefully open the handle!

By the way, it you have black door handles the process is completely different!

For black door handles you must do your best Bruce Lee ninja thumb jam to the front and back of the handle repeatedly until it loosens up. Then open and close the handle until the door finally opens.

Oh, and make sure the handle is fully retracted before even thinking about getting into your car (both black and silver handles)! You should also check that the door is fully closed before driving away (as apparently that is enough of an issue that Tesla felt it should be included in the manual).
Got it? Piece of cake!

And this is progress?
 
After a few years of not having to charge one of these, I'm terrified of blowing the caps off the top 😂 no high voltage disconnect, no low voltage disconnect. Valve regulated so if any boiling occurs, huge mess of acid all over the vehicle.

Isn't it AGM with no actual liquid in it?

Is there no vent tube?

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I'm just trying to soothe your phearz.
 
I started to post this in main forum but was not sure where.... seems off topic…or will get that way….anyone seen this video.
I remember the lightweight inverters they are talking about.
I also look at these inverters wearing down…. Due to past experience. Why consider putting mpp solar 3048 in box and buying a low freq Victron Inverter

This video names a DIY SOLAR FORUM post as alleged fire incident from cheap high freq inverter burning down building.

Is it an advertising video or what? Hmm. Do they have to ask before posting pictures like that in the video?
 
I started to post this in main forum but was not sure where.... seems off topic…or will get that way….anyone seen this video.
I remember the lightweight inverters they are talking about.
I also look at these inverters wearing down…. Due to past experience. Why consider putting mpp solar 3048 in box and buying a low freq Victron Inverter

This video names a DIY SOLAR FORUM post as alleged fire incident from cheap high freq inverter burning down building.

Is it an advertising video or what? Hmm. Do they have to ask before posting pictures like that in the video?
Oh man this one hurt to watch 🤣🤣
 
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