Sadly they have farmers dump milk to waste it too. Control.Due to over-supply, price supports would have been needed.
The government should have bought up manure so prices were high enough to keep businesses operating.
(It worked for milk!)
Sadly they have farmers dump milk to waste it too. Control.Due to over-supply, price supports would have been needed.
The government should have bought up manure so prices were high enough to keep businesses operating.
(It worked for milk!)
Retooling for new models/technologies is a normal cost and depends on the size, the real question is how that compares to other technologies."Late last year, Buick said it would be asking dealers to commit a minimum investment of $300,000 to $400,000 to prepare their stores to sell and service EVs."
We see auto dealerships do a 'facelift' every five years it seems - lots of expensive components just to freshen up the look of the buildings and look 'new' again, spending a lot more than a few hundred thousand ...they don't seem to be losing money.Retooling for new models/technologies is a normal cost and depends on the size, the real question is how that compares to other technologies.
I saw a reference that said the average annual cost to maintain a car dealership is around $4 million; but that was everything including insurance. Without knowing the particulars $300 to $400k might be a bargain compared to past innovations.
We see auto dealerships do a 'facelift' every five years it seems - lots of expensive components just to freshen up the look of the buildings and look 'new' again, spending a lot more than a few hundred thousand ...they don't seem to be losing money.
As Sandy Monroe says, dealers also know they won't make as much money selling them because they are more reliable. A much more reasonable explanation as to why dealers don't like them. The graphic on the right shows 38% of the population is between Very and Somewhat open to purchasing an electric vehicle. That's one hell of a market! That said, given lack of charging options for apartment dwellers, I can see why a lot of people aren't ready to buy them. Are EV sales really going down? Let's look at new car registrations rather than rely on made up facts from questionable sources: |
Tar and feathers for the people with the idea comes to mind.
To me EVs having sound systems to sound like ICE cars has always been odd and seemed more like an attempt to hide "car noises". I've even heard there are some that when you push the "turbo" button and all it does is make the car noise louder (no actual increase). What do you all think about EVs using speakers to sound vroom vroomish?
On the contrary. Local mail trucks should all be electric already. If I have to listen to that grinding starter as the gal drives around cutting off the motor at each stop traveling between mailboxes to save fuel. . . I asked she said she drives about 30-40 miles/day. This is an absolutely perfect application for an electric vehicle, small 100-120mi range fleet vehicle, 20-30KWH packs. Long term savings would be huge. Trivial to put in overnight A/C charging at the depot, with low TOU power charges. Around here at least I would guess the payback would be 5 years or less with the drastically lower maintenance and fuel costs.Leave it to the government to do the stupidest, most economically unfeasible things for political reasons. All on taxpayer money ofcourse!!!
This is the problem with the whole discussion. This is not an all-or-nothing equation. EV's make sense where they make sense. For an OTR trucking application maybe not so much. If you are towing a 5th wheel, not so much. The tech is extremely viable for a number of applications.
So let me educate you:This is not really aimed at you.
The key is education.
For example, EV drivers today are not paying the road tax that is part of gas tax. They are aleady talking about remediating that little hole of EV owners (Which will make their TCO much higher almost immediately).
Then we get into tires (EVs are heavy and use up tires much faster, tires also are major source of particulate, so EVs actually do MORE of real pollution).
Modern ICE cars actually produce very few emissions (This is very noticeable when you go to third world which still uses a lot of older ICE cars)
Then we get into battery production and recycling (or lack there of, cost, environmental impact, etc, etc - and this is barely scratching the surface of EV problems).
As for California - the state has been so badly mismanaged by government, I am not even sure it can be salvaged anymore, almost everything costs more in California.
10,000% this.
There's NO one vehicle or energy source that is a silver bullet solution to all transportation needs. Use the best tool for the job.
I do agree that the government should have no part of this and taxpayer $$$ should have no part of this, but that's my opinion for 95% of everything the government does.
2023 higher than 2022? Not much of an EV slowdown. Up until now most EVs have been expensive luxury models. Now that less expensive models are available I can see more being sold.
As Sandy Monroe says, dealers also know they won't make as much money selling
them because they are more reliable. A much more reasonable explanation as
to why dealers don't like them.
The graphic on the right shows 38% of the population is between Very and
Somewhat open to purchasing an electric vehicle. That's one hell of a market!
That said, given lack of charging options for apartment dwellers, I can see why
a lot of people aren't ready to buy them.
Are EV sales really going down? Let's look at new car registrations rather than
rely on made up facts from questionable sources:
Adored mine, Candyapple red metallic. I absolutely miss that car more than anything I have ever owned. 3800 was a beast, The car was gorgeous, and had a big cabin, mine had its share of baby puke and other child originated fluids that were mostly removed. Not too bad on gas either! <sigh>.I had a 94 Bonneville with the 3800 engine .... Loved that car.
I'd still be driving it if the wife hadn't kept driving it after a hose popped and drained all the coolant.
I haven't forgiven them for ditching Pontiac.
More reliable....you mean when they are not bursting into flames in parking lots and garages.
But you see they must have the .gov forcing it down your neck. If not then you would never do it. I know it, you know it and they know it.
On the contrary. Local mail trucks should all be electric already. If I have to listen to that grinding starter as the gal drives around cutting off the motor at each stop traveling between mailboxes to save fuel. . . I asked she said she drives about 30-40 miles/day. This is an absolutely perfect application for an electric vehicle, small 100-120mi range fleet vehicle, 20-30KWH packs. Long term savings would be huge. Trivial to put in overnight A/C charging at the depot, with low TOU power charges. Around here at least I would guess the payback would be 5 years or less with the drastically lower maintenance and fuel costs.
This is the problem with the whole discussion. This is not an all-or-nothing equation. EV's make sense where they make sense. For an OTR trucking application maybe not so much. If you are towing a 5th wheel, not so much. The tech is extremely viable for a number of applications. I would expect to see daytime delivery vehicles to be dominated by electrics within the next 10-15 years as fleets age out.
Nah, lots of people would have EVs without any government intervention. I'm with you on the government side, but on the people liking EVs thing you're just plain wrong.
I really love my electric golf cart and recently completed a lithium conversion. However I am limited to neighborhood usage due to the 12mph speed. If I bypass the speed limiter it would be a frightening experience with no front brakes and lawnmower-based suspension.
My plan to venture further is purchase a cheap, well-used 2013-2017 Leaf with depleted battery. Essentially I would takeoff the doors an drive as an overgrown golf cart. I can drive to the nearby town with a range of only 20-30 miles. My local used car dealer is watching the auto auctions for a suitable Leaf. Curious if the Nissan buyback Leaf's will be dumped at the wholesale auctions.
Otherwise anybody looking to dump a Leaf? The price will have to be attractive after factoring shipping to south Texas.
That's exactly what I am looking for, dented but drivable. Will remove the doors and front & rear bumper covers. The fenders would be cut for larger tires. There is no way I can make the Leaf look worse than when new.My totaled 2015 Leaf would have been ideal for this. Battery was in great shape still. Front and rear bumpers and some body work were needed.