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JRH

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So… this must be for tradesmen … but if you don’t wire panels for a living it’s too quick for me to get it………does any one see stuff I don’t ……I have a feeling there’s a lot there …..at least it sounds intresting…and the guy did burn his house down…that’s a big deal….. There must be somthing he’s doing wrong…..


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Hope the link works…

J.
 
Dude had some interesting ideas.
But, what would be the problem of a split neutral like that?
I would never do that, but would it actually be that bad?

Doesnt that look like 6 awg? Isnt that supposed to fit in the neutral bus?
 
It's not something I would  admit doing recommend. But electrically it will perform fine.
The reason I asked , I couldn’t see anything that quickly …and I knew y’all would…it does look a bit wonky like that but I couldnt see how it would hurt ….
hey at least I’m honest…that’s not my trade in life….I have no ego issues about my electrical panel skills… 🤣

J.
 
Maybe the poor nephew Thomas didn't feel like going down to Home Depot or Lowe's and buying some of these:
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Or maybe because it was late, and his aunt was bothering him too much.
You can't know the situation that poor man was in.:)
 
The reason I asked , I couldn’t see anything that quickly …and I knew y’all would…it does look a bit wonky like that but I couldnt see how it would hurt ….
hey at least I’m honest…that’s not my trade in life….I have no ego issues about my electrical panel skills… 🤣

J.
It's not a professional looking connection. And it wouldn't pass an inspection.
But to be honest, it will perform fine. And outlast us all.
Still not recommending it.
 
Maybe the poor nephew Thomas didn't feel like going down to Home Depot or Lowe's and buying one of these:
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Or maybe because it was late, and his aunt was bothering him too much.
You can't know the situation that poor man was in.:)
I would assume that they didn't even know that a product existed for the purpose.
 
Square d ground bars are listed for up to #4 but it can be a pain getting the last strand in. This is always a temptation. 🤐 I assume the neutral bar can take a #4 also.
 
So… this must be for tradesmen … but if you don’t wire panels for a living it’s too quick for me to get it………does any one see stuff I don’t ……I have a feeling there’s a lot there …..at least it sounds intresting…and the guy did burn his house down…that’s a big deal….. There must be somthing he’s doing wrong…..


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Hope the link works…

J.
This guy does the same soundtrack to all his videos.
At least the ones I have seen.
 
Any idea if this is true from square d panels in the 70's?
Not sure. There is often info on the panel door about wire size compatibility with different terminals in the panel. It can be tedious reading and deciphering that info. Not sure about brand specific/year specific. When you buy a ground bar etc. It generally comes with stickers and papers that get tossed in the trash that has the info. Lugs often have it stamped on them. I have mainly worked with new Square D ( mainly Homeline and some QO) equipment in new light commercial, and some residential settings.

As a side note people should realized that anybody, in any job/trade, has different knowledge/experience/self taught due to interest . No different than a French chef. Vs Japanese chef. Or a general family practitioner MD vs a Neural Surgeon. Same applies to Plumbing or electrical etc.
 
That house from that women burn a lot down .
But really i do see stupid things on YouTube .
And even use like tips and tricks .

Wel 50% is the tools the rest is the brain.
 
It is a redundant connection and that should be safer.

The utility put a new line into my house, I had been trying for years to get them to do it. There were three bare wires all the way to the weatherhead. I was wanting to put a new roof on. The wires were only three inches away from each other. A limb finally fell on it and took it out. They finally put in a new line. Six months later the lights are flashing and I check the lines to neutral and they are imbalanced. Go out and I see the tape has cracked on the splice to the house. Utility guy goes up and pulls on each three wires and they pull out. I'll take redundant connections anytime.
 
This guy does the same soundtrack to all his videos.
At least the ones I have seen.
Now that I look closer , Your right ….I have seen Him before… ya can’t ever be sure anymore if what ya see is real….. or a skit…or product peddling…
but then that’s the world as it has evolved at this point.

J.
 
It's not a professional looking connection. And it wouldn't pass an inspection.
But to be honest, it will perform fine. And outlast us all.
Still not recommending it.
Please stop! You are giving out bad advice. You do NOT speak for the electrical code and you are completely irresponsible for continuing to say "it will perform fine".
 
Please stop! You are giving out bad advice. You do NOT speak for the electrical code and you are completely irresponsible for continuing to say "it will perform fine".

How is he giving advice? He's clearly stating it's not professional, won't pass an inspection, and is not recommending it.

From a purely electrical point of view however, it does perform fine.
 
Mike holt says there can only be one ground connection in a building.

Joke of the day....
When is a ground not a ground?

When it is a bond.

Mike Holt gave a lecture about grounding. And after that he told a story of a friend's wife that would get a little tingle every time she touched the washing machine in the basement. That should have been a tipoff of a grounding issue. So he got a concrete drill and sent a ground rod into the earth and connected it to the washer. Mr. Inspector, that is not a ground. It is a bond. Science is always science, codes fluctuate.
 
Think of that little do dad that only ties into two points and is supposedly code. That just adds another failure point. Reason for the code failure is that most technicians can't neatly twist strands together. It's just an easier way of saying, get the right box for the job.
 
Please stop! You are giving out bad advice. You do NOT speak for the electrical code and you are completely irresponsible for continuing to say "it will perform fine".
I understand what you are saying, but he said it wouldn't pass inspection and wouldn't recommend it. If it wouldn't pass inspection its probably not code. If he doesn't recommend it that means he is not advising anybody to do so. Just my view on it.
 

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