The vaccinated are more likely to catch Covid

I don't have any problem avoiding crowds .... I have always hated crowds anyway.

I've got a sweat shirt that the wife got me that says "I like fishing and maybe 3 people" .... It's pretty close to the truth ....LOL

Oh, with the Moderna, I had a sore arm a few days with the first shot and with the 2nd very little sore arm, but had a delayed reaction about a week later had 2 or 3 days with slight fever and chills.

Time to install my new Moderna Body Operating System Update, Version 3.2 press any key to continue

There are consistent reports of neurological long term damage that can remain, also some reports of inability to regain blood oxygenation scare the s**t out of me because I like running and jumping and I don’t want no PolioCrap.

Even in healthy young people. It’s good to be in good shape but damn I would like to skip long term neurological and respiratory capacity decline.

a few hours after first dose of moderna

the inflammatory reflex started kicking in and a bit of flushed feeling

was laughing like lol now im an x-men character

IT’S WORKING!! I FEEL MILDLY CRAPPY! ?my operating system is being update!!! [|__] [|||__] [||||_]

still could walk around and be active during the entire period from first dose until month after second dose.

by far the worst side effect was injection site soreness. a ~2cm diameter area centered at the injection site remained sore for days after each dose. made sleeping on that arm unpleasant.

so if anyone does get vaccine, maybe get it in either non dominant arm or on arm that don’t sleep on

Bob B said:

I got the first dose in my non dominant arm ..... it was stiff and sore 2-3 days.
I got the 2nd dose in the other arm, but exercised it by moving it around in circles and trying to fly like a bird. Did that every 15 minutes or so for 1/2 day. The arm didn't really get sore after the 2nd dose .... don't know if moving it around was the reason.

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haha did the oll wind up motion with the arm too, and the contractions of the muscle sure seemed to subjectively reduce the persisting pain. swear it helped though. the soreness was annoying and flapping my arm a bit seemed worth it.

thanks for sharing your injection site pain mitigation “remedy” it’s relatable

noenegdod said:

mRNA vaccines do not manipulate you genetics. They use the machinery of your cell to produce spike proteins which your body reacts to.

Your genetics remain unchanged.

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I did not say change my genetics. They manipulate it ( the machinery of your cell ), just as you said above.

?…………… ?? or not …… ?…

mactech said:

I did not say change my genetics. They manipulate it ( the machinery of your cell ), just as you said above.

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That is true. So used to hearing the tin foil hat crowd implying that it is messing with their genes. I just jumped straight there.

What is the issue you have with the mRNA approach? I am not asking to be critical. I am not going to be taking any of the vaccines at least for another year or two. For me it is nothing to to with the approach and everything to do with the fact that they are new and unproven. Things like the fact that the vaccine should not be delivered intravenous and the person administering the vaccine should be asperating the syringe for 20 seconds to confirm the needle tip is not in a vein would be an example of the things that have been learned the hard way at earlier adopters expense. Im waiting a for a few more of these little revelations before I offer myself up.

noenegdod said:

That is true. So used to hearing the tin foil hat crowd implying that it is messing with their genes. I just jumped straight there.

What is the issue you have with the mRNA approach? I am not asking to be critical. I am not going to be taking any of the vaccines at least for another year or two. For me it is nothing to to with the approach and everything to do with the fact that they are new and unproven. Things like the fact that the vaccine should not be delivered intravenous and the person administering the vaccine should be asperating the syringe for 20 seconds to confirm the needle tip is not in a vein would be an example of the things that have been learned the hard way at earlier adopters expense. Im waiting a for a few more of these little revelations before I offer myself up.

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I do not like what the 'experts' say about them. You know, the experts who spout the truth and are suppressed by MSM, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook, the ones with the medical evidence that gets ignored. The entire bullshit surrounding Ivermectin and how it was demonized as 'horse dewormer' and not a life-saving substance.

I like being the way God made me, not needing a needle in the arm with cancerous substances, one that hasn't been tested except on those who accept it.

They've been wrong on so many things, and flip-flopped. I know what the NWO agenda is. I've seen the videos and Klaus Schwab.

No one I know has died from COVID in this 20 month pandemic.

Never, ever do you see health information about combatting obesity, taking vitamins, getting exercise as they don't care about your health.

mactech said:

I did not say change my genetics. They manipulate it ( the machinery of your cell ), just as you said above.

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I guess that is fair in the way you defined it but it would definitely be taken a different way by most people, especially with the misinformation surrounding how it functions.

I have to admit I am really confused by the perceived motivation factor here... are we hoping to be the ubermensch that somehow came out ahead because we avoided a vaccine?

Nm... I will stop here, I see your next post now and I've dealt enough try to talk to people who believe in a grand conspiracy theory and have faith that they were made superior. Good luck, may Allah bestow his blessings upon you.

Shale MacGregor said:

I guess that is fair in the way you defined it but it would definitely be taken a different way by most people, especially with the misinformation surrounding how it functions.

I have to admit I am really confused by the perceived motivation factor here... are we hoping to be the ubermensch that somehow came out ahead because we avoided a vaccine?

Nm... I will stop here, I see your next post now and I've dealt enough try to talk to people who believe in a grand conspiracy theory and have faith that they were made superior. Good luck, may Allah bestow his blessings upon you.

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Where in the world did I say I was in any way "superior"?

Grand conspiracy theories... I am not here attacking your beliefs. Yes, please stop here.

mactech said:

Where in the world did I say I was in any way "superior"?

Grand conspiracy theories... I am not here attacking your beliefs. Yes, please stop here.

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You literally referenced like 3 or 4 conspiracy theories in one post lol.

Shale MacGregor said:

You literally referenced like 3 or 4 conspiracy theories in one post lol.

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Which ones... i guess you changed your mind to stop here.

mactech said:

Which ones... i guess you changed your mind to stop here.

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I apologize, you are correct, I will stop here.

mactech said:

I do not like what the 'experts' say about them. You know, the experts who spout the truth and are suppressed by MSM, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook, the ones with the medical evidence that gets ignored. The entire bullshit surrounding Ivermectin and how it was demonized as 'horse dewormer' and not a life-saving substance.

I like being the way God made me, not needing a needle in the arm with cancerous substances, one that hasn't been tested except on those who accept it.

They've been wrong on so many things, and flip-flopped. I know what the NWO agenda is. I've seen the videos and Klaus Schwab.

No one I know has died from COVID in this 20 month pandemic.

Never, ever do you see health information about combatting obesity, taking vitamins, getting exercise as they don't care about your health.

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Same page

Edit: except on the NWO. Dont know anything at all about them.

noenegdod said:

Things like the fact that the vaccine should not be delivered intravenous and the person administering the vaccine should be asperating the syringe for 20 seconds to confirm the needle tip is not in a vein would be an example of the things that have been learned the hard way at earlier adopters expense.

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I asked about that at the time of my first shot.
The guy said he had been taught to check that way, but for these shots in a non-hospital setting they were instructed not to. Just stick in the needle and press.
Seems to me injection has been dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.

I would like to know test results from deliberately injecting each of the Covid vaccines in a vein. From tests on animals, at least??
I have to wonder if that would give the popular adverse reactions.

mactech said:

Please point to where they specifically figured out the problems and fixed the mRNA issues and subsequently redid their animal trials. I am not at all comfortable with science manipulating my genetics.

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"In vitro–transcribed mRNA (IVT mRNA) is emerging as a new class of drug that has the potential to play a role in gene therapy that once was envisioned for DNA.1 Although first described as a therapeutic in 1992,2 IVT mRNA's immunogenicity prevented its development for protein replacement therapies. However, this problem was recently solved by the introduction of modified nucleosides into the IVT mRNA."

"Using EPO-based hematopoiesis as an animal model system, they demonstrated that injection of mice with 1 μg of sequence-engineered mRNA containing uridines increases serum EPO levels and hematocrits to a higher level than the corresponding pseudouridine-containing mRNA. Even repeated injections of 10 μg of sequence-engineered mRNA (made with unmodified nucleotides) was found to be nonimmunogenic, as assessed by measuring inflammatory cytokines, which remained at baseline levels following treatment. Most importantly, when pigs and macaques were injected with lipid nanoparticle-formulated, sequence-engineered EPO mRNA, the authors observed significant increases of reticulocyte numbers and hematocrits. Thus, IVT mRNA could achieve a physiologically relevant parameter in large animals, thus opening potential opportunities to expand the therapeutic application of IVT mRNA to treat other diseases."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4817894/ Published online 2015 Aug 31

If you catch a viral illness, the virus enters your cells and gives instructions for them to make more virus.
Does that make you feel better?

Viruses can carry genes around, perform gene manipulation and alter DNA. It's part of evolution, whether we like it or not. Watch out for that mosquito!

https://www.ehs.washington.edu/biological/viral-vectors-gene-transfer

I suggest you only get bacterial infections, like MRSA. They reproduce on their own (inside your body) without having your cells do the job.

mactech said:

Pfizer cannot be trusted. They had the largest medical fraud case EVER!

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Hey! I own stock in them! ?

Looks like their earnings are $241B/18.5PE = $13B


They were fined $2.3B


Ow. Stop it, that hurts. ?

Hedges said:

Hey! I own stock in them! ?

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I sold all of mine about 8 months ago and put it somewhere else that didn't make as much but I am OK with that. However, I then found that part of my MFS mutuals are invested in Pfizer.

Hedges said:

"In vitro–transcribed mRNA (IVT mRNA) is emerging as a new class of drug that has the potential to play a role in gene therapy that once was envisioned for DNA.1 Although first described as a therapeutic in 1992,2 IVT mRNA's immunogenicity prevented its development for protein replacement therapies. However, this problem was recently solved by the introduction of modified nucleosides into the IVT mRNA."

"Using EPO-based hematopoiesis as an animal model system, they demonstrated that injection of mice with 1 μg of sequence-engineered mRNA containing uridines increases serum EPO levels and hematocrits to a higher level than the corresponding pseudouridine-containing mRNA. Even repeated injections of 10 μg of sequence-engineered mRNA (made with unmodified nucleotides) was found to be nonimmunogenic, as assessed by measuring inflammatory cytokines, which remained at baseline levels following treatment. Most importantly, when pigs and macaques were injected with lipid nanoparticle-formulated, sequence-engineered EPO mRNA, the authors observed significant increases of reticulocyte numbers and hematocrits. Thus, IVT mRNA could achieve a physiologically relevant parameter in large animals, thus opening potential opportunities to expand the therapeutic application of IVT mRNA to treat other diseases."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4817894/ Published online 2015 Aug 31

If you catch a viral illness, the virus enters your cells and gives instructions for them to make more virus.
Does that make you feel better?

Viruses can carry genes around, perform gene manipulation and alter DNA. It's part of evolution, whether we like it or not. Watch out for that mosquito!

https://www.ehs.washington.edu/biological/viral-vectors-gene-transfer

I suggest you only get bacterial infections, like MRSA. They reproduce on their own (inside your body) without having your cells do the job.

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Thanks for this…

I don't feel any better, viruses suck

The title of the report that some say does not manipulate genetics. ?

mRNA: Fulfilling the Promise of Gene Therapy​

"Future experiments will determine whether the sequence-engineered RNA is nonimmunogenic or that it retains partial immunogenicity. Nevertheless, it raises an interesting question: why are GC-rich sequences less immunogenic? They are prone to form stable double-stranded structures and thus would be expected to be more immunogenic."

That says it all.

Hedges said:

I asked about that at the time of my first shot.
The guy said he had been taught to check that way, but for these shots in a non-hospital setting they were instructed not to. Just stick in the needle and press.
Seems to me injection has been dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.

I would like to know test results from deliberately injecting each of the Covid vaccines in a vein. From tests on animals, at least??
I have to wonder if that would give the popular adverse reactions.

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From all the grumblings regarding this it is my impression that because the goal is to vaccinate 7,000,000,000 people twice, that 20 seconds it takes to do it properly interferes with that goal. As the chances of hitting a vein are fairly low, the "greater good" is to save that 20 seconds and just pound it in. "Get shots in arms!" is all that matters.

I will try to find the video. I can not remember who it was but apparently there was a small study done.

noenegdod said:

From all the grumblings regarding this it is my impression that because the goal is to vaccinate 7,000,000,000 people twice, that 20 seconds it takes to do it properly interferes with that goal. As the chances of hitting a vein are fairly low, the "greater good" is to save that 20 seconds and just pound it in. "Get shots in arms!" is all that matters.

I will try to find the video. I can not remember who it was but apparently there was a small study done.

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I know nothing about medicine, except what I've learned by osmosis, reading an occasional paper, taking various rescue and first aid training.

Yet, I connected the dots and suspected this issue.

"Background: Post-vaccination myopericarditis is reported after immunization with COVID-19 mRNA-vaccines. The effect of accidental intravenous injection of this vaccine on the heart is unknown."

"Conclusions: This study provided in-vivo evidence that inadvertent intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA-vaccines may induce myopericarditis. Brief withdrawal of syringe plunger to exclude blood aspiration may be one possible way to reduce such risk."



"Accidental intravenous injections of BioNTech jabs may cause heart muscle inflammation, research conducted by the University of Hong Kong has found.

The team advised that those who administer jabs briefly withdraw the syringe plunger to exclude blood aspiration to ensure that the needle is not accidentally in a vein before the injection is given."



"Research published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases in August found mice injected with mRNA into a vein developed heart inflammation, called myopericarditis. Mice injected in the proper location, the muscle, did not."



"In the process of being sliced free and replicating within the cell nucleus, the spike mRNA is liable to be slightly altered. The research hypothesis was that the slight alterations resulted in a viral antigen that had lost its ability to attach and embed into the cell wall; instead, it allowed some of the mRNA to be soluble and circulate throughout the body. In the words of the researchers,

“arbitrary splice events [taking place in the cell nucleus] that enables the secretion of a soluble Spike protein.”

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Let me be clear; the vaccine did not cause anyone to be infected with COVID-19. It is just that the spike antigen was able to escape from the area around the injection site and travel to other locations in the body.

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I found this a plausible study, but we should consider it speculative rather than accepted.
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Soluble spike protein, inadvertently generated from the inaccurate slicing and subsequent replication of AstraZeneca’s and J&J’s vaccine, still retains the ability to attach to those endothelial cells, initiating the strong inflammatory response and the clotting disorders frequently seen in COVID-19 infections. These unintended and unwanted soluble, traveling spike proteins may be the underlying cause of the adverse clotting events. The researchers point out that the J&J vaccine has fewer sites for errors in slicing the mRNA free from the adenovirus DNA and that “this may explain the ~ 10-fold lower incidence of severe side effects with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine when compared to the AZD1222 [AstraZeneca] vaccine.”"

Hedges said:

I found this a plausible study, but we should consider it speculative rather than accepted.
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Soluble spike protein, inadvertently generated from the inaccurate slicing and subsequent replication of AstraZeneca’s and J&J’s vaccine, still retains the ability to attach to those endothelial cells, initiating the strong inflammatory response and the clotting disorders frequently seen in COVID-19 infections. These unintended and unwanted soluble, traveling spike proteins may be the underlying cause of the adverse clotting events. The researchers point out that the J&J vaccine has fewer sites for errors in slicing the mRNA free from the adenovirus DNA and that “this may explain the ~ 10-fold lower incidence of severe side effects with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine when compared to the AZD1222 [AstraZeneca] vaccine.”"

A Possible Why For The Clotting Problem Of COVID-19 Vaccines

There has been a small incidence of diffuse clotting, especially in atypical body sites, like the central vein draining the brain, among some AstraZeneca and J&J COVID-19 vaccine recipients. A newly released pre-print suggests a possible underlying biologic cause.

www.acsh.org

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For sure! If I was "at risk", I can guarantee that I would have been vaccinated early. I very much believe that that would be the wisest thing to do. The risks associated with an infection far out weigh the risks associated with the current implementation of the vaccine.

I could be lying to myself but I believe, in spite of the fact that I am 48, that I would shrug an infection off. Every time the media parades someone who believed the same and then had a severe outcome, it is obvious that they had risk factors (Primarily weight) but also later reports and links to social media accounts where it becomes obvious they did not live an active healthy lifestyle eating good food.

MurphyGuy said:

Why are people so irrational?

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It's in our nature...

Bob B said:

I got the first dose in my non dominant arm ..... it was stiff and sore 2-3 days.
I got the 2nd dose in the other arm, but exercised it by moving it around in circles and trying to fly like a bird. Did that every 15 minutes or so for 1/2 day. The arm didn't really get sore after the 2nd dose .... don't know if moving it around was the reason.

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Instead of editing my prior post ... I wanted to do a new post to modify my observation.

I have been doing more research about Covid ... and specifically, more research about some of the side effects.
One of the things I have discovered is the very plausible theory that some of the side effects ..... myocarditis in particular .... may be caused if the vaccine is inadvertently injected into a vein instead of muscle.
It is not intended for the vaccine to circulate through the system.

In an abundance of caution, I am removing my observation that exercising my arm may have helped reduce soreness. I wouldn't recommend anyone do something that might cause the vaccine to circulate more through the system.

Now that I have copied my previous post into this post, I am going to go back and edit the original.

Bob B said:

Instead of editing my prior post ... I wanted to do a new post to modify my observation.

I have been doing more research about Covid ... and specifically, more research about some of the side effects.
One of the things I have discovered is the very plausible theory that some of the side effects ..... myocarditis in particular .... may be caused if the vaccine is inadvertently injected into a vein instead of muscle.
It is not intended for the vaccine to circulate through the system.

In an abundance of caution, I am removing my observation that exercising my arm may have helped reduce soreness. I wouldn't recommend anyone do something that might cause the vaccine to circulate more through the system.

Now that I have copied my previous post into this post, I am going to go back and edit the original.

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i respect the logic of this.

one mode of harm is the entry into the bloodstream of the vaccine material.

thus it can bear to reason to live with the soreness at injection site and not overly agitate it.

in this unclear time, i acknowledge that there might be an ever so small risk of overly aggressively massaging the injection site and causing a blood stream based side effect to develop.

thank you for contemplating this stuff

i think everyone is trying their best given the ambiguity in some aspects of circumstances