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The down side from buying Chinese goods

Farmgirl0527

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I have 2 items heading back from where they came. 1 JK BMS wh8ch show crazy high currents for no apparent reasons triggering a shut down to the system. They will replace it and free shipping back. Number 2 is a Daly 200 amp unit 16s. This one show 70+ amps just hooked up to the battery, nothing else. Decided to get a refund as I don't care for the Daly line at all. Their software is flaky. My other Daly showed high cell voltage when my volt meter showed all cells in harmony. In my opinion their balance software need caring for. I'll put it out to pasture later with a JK unit. While my first did not Live long, it showed my what a real bms can do Live and learn.
 
About 50 years ago, I read a (science fiction, because the only fiction I read was science fiction) novel in which a character advised: "never trust machinery more complicated than a knife and fork." I will add: communist Chinese electronics doubly so. The funny thing is, I have a few boxes of the communist Chinese stuff around here, because high tech has been my hobby, and my career, and because I can't afford better. So I guess it depends upon what the meaning of "trust" is. Last summer, I stuck a Daly 100A BMS on a pack of 8 60280 cells I had added to my mobile solar power testbed and haven't looked closely at it since (I got it running, my means of plugging in the thermocouple which had unaccountably gone missing, or was never included, somewhere between communist China and my testbed). It was "cheap" (more so last summer than today, apparently) so there is no bluetooth monitoring to worry me. Do I trust it? Yes, and no. It's a testbed, so, if it destroys a cell or two, well, that's the test result. I can infer that it's not doing anything too terrible by observing the readings on the cheap communist Chinese meters I have attached to the output. Do I depend upon it working? Not exactly. Do I have spares? Definitely. As we say in Silicon Valley (at least we did, before the dark times. before the dot-com boom, and Zuckerberg's self-fulfilling prophecy, which, apparently, made me unemployable in Silicon Valley big tech twenty years ago, and therefore, not, necessarily, eh, hip to the latest lingo): "You can never have too many backups". If they don't say it now, I say it's timeless wisdom, in the same class as Heinlein's bon mot, and transferable from software to hardware.

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The customers are the lab rats.
Nobody quite knows what they will put up with today & tomorrow & that is for the OEMs to find out.

BTW, there was a car that was not selling well. They changed the name of the color of the paint & sales improved.
For me, a car is to get me from point A to point B, reliably.
 
I would happily buy from some where else if there was such a place. While many talk about solar here, few if any actually produce such products. Does a country besides China make a bms? I have wind power from China and not those junks things on ebay. US made, only one that I know of that produces comparable quality. A wind controller that actually works. Chinese made. US made none. I buy overseas because I have too.
 
I would happily buy from some where else if there was such a place. While many talk about solar here, few if any actually produce such products. Does a country besides China make a bms? I have wind power from China and not those junks things on ebay. US made, only one that I know of that produces comparable quality. A wind controller that actually works. Chinese made. US made none. I buy overseas because I have too.
Our $2-240 Million Dollar CEO’s in the USA have put the extra company profits into their own pockets for the last 40 years. See how many fly bizjets, drive eight luxury cars and own three homes. They didn’t get there by paying their workers an honest living, keeping manufacturing in the USA and paying themselves a fair salary. CEO pay continues to outpace the pay of working people. In the past 10 years, CEO pay at S&P 500 companies increased by more than $260,000 a year to an average of $15.5 million in 2020. The average worker wage has increased $957 a year over the past decade, earning on average just $43,512 in 2020. Now, we are about to see what happens in the USA when the supplier of 90% of our junk sides with the enemy and cuts us off for meddling in their affairs. Sorry, I knew 25 years ago that this day would come.
 
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I would happily buy from some where else if there was such a place. While many talk about solar here, few if any actually produce such products. Does a country besides China make a bms? I have wind power from China and not those junks things on ebay. US made, only one that I know of that produces comparable quality. A wind controller that actually works. Chinese made. US made none. I buy overseas because I have too.
My BMS came from Canada. ( but the parts did not)
 
Some of its ok, but there's a lot of shoddy junk.
How to tell the difference?
They don't seem to believe in QC and name brands with a reputation for quality.
 
Our $2-40 Million Dollar CEO’s in the USA have put the extra company profits into their own pockets for the last 40 years. See how many fly bizjets, drive eight luxury cars and own three homes. They didn’t get there by paying their workers an honest living, keeping manufacturing in the USA and paying themselves a fair salary. Now, we are about to see what happens in the USA when the supplier of 90% of our junk sides with the enemy and cuts us off for meddling in their affairs. Sorry, I knew 25 years ago that this day would come.
Yep but we are mainly at fault. There was a small opening in the 1990s when you could still buy made in USA products on the same shelf with Chinese products, but people do what people do which is shop by price and convenience. Nothing is going to change until people stop buying their products and only buy stuff made in the USA or from our Allies
 
Almost laugh on this one. Yesterday I gave the Daly sales guy the tracking number. Today he says their city is in lockdown and can't receive the defective bms unit I sent. How convenient. So I may wait months before he gets them

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Some of its ok, but there's a lot of shoddy junk.
How to tell the difference?
They don't seem to believe in QC and name brands with a reputation for quality.
I have some Chinese made ebikes that I really like. Well made.
 
I have two sol arks, 48 QCells, 121 kWh, 9 BMS’s - China sourced solar goodies. I’ll let you know if they perform as expected.
 
I would happily buy from some where else if there was such a place. While many talk about solar here, few if any actually produce such products. Does a country besides China make a bms?

I have 3 different types of BMS, none are made in China. I doubt you’ll find a BMS that doesn’t have some made in China internal components though.
 
Almost laugh on this one. Yesterday I gave the Daly sales guy the tracking number. Today he says their city is in lockdown and can't receive the defective bms unit I sent. How convenient. So I may wait months before he gets them

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I return my 300a back to Joyce last year because it failed.
A few months later it was returned to sender lol, coincidental.
Daly never again.
 
Almost laugh on this one. Yesterday I gave the Daly sales guy the tracking number. Today he says their city is in lockdown and can't receive the defective bms unit I sent. How convenient. So I may wait months before he gets them

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I think I will not attempt to send something on a slow boat to China, for all the tea in China (that's old guy humor, and it's not my fault there is no emoticon for a hollow laugh).
 
And that phone is exactly the problem. I can buy a very high quality Samsung for less than 1/4 of the price, and the Samsung's specs are significantly better. I'm sure it's a great quality phone, but is it really 4x better than a Galaxy S10?

As much as I WANT to buy U.S made stuff, I simply can't justify the price.
 
And that phone is exactly the problem. I can buy a very high quality Samsung for less than 1/4 of the price, and the Samsung's specs are significantly better. I'm sure it's a great quality phone, but is it really 4x better than a Galaxy S10?

As much as I WANT to buy U.S made stuff, I simply can't justify the price.
Yes for all to be made at quality at home most people would have to give up their standard of living in dealing with increased prices and shortages. Careful wanting to bring all this home. The MAGA agenda would have incredible consequences and hardship.
 
Yes for all to be made at quality at home most people would have to give up their standard of living in dealing with increased prices and shortages. Careful wanting to bring all this home. The MAGA agenda would have incredible consequences and hardship.
I agree to disagree. It could be done.
 
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