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cost for PV labor install only

I'm contracting a local solar company to install solar panels only because I'm not ably to physically hold one and climb up a ladder doing this solo. I picked larger higher wattage panels thinking less panels means lower install cost, but they still charge by cost per watts at 0.$70. I'm purchasing all material, mounting inverter and hooking up everything myself.

Is $0.70/watt a fair price for labor-only to install PV? Other local companies won't even consider this, I'd have to buy their equipment.

When I first read your post, I assumed the installer was installing the entire system in which case $0.70/W IMHO would be a bargain.

Before I contracted for my yet to be installed (soon I hope) I talked to guys doing a job. No way were they interested. The supervisor told me his guys were working 52 hours every 5 day week. My system will have 26 400W panels. Roof work of any kind is a joy in itself.
 
I have been wondering about this very topic. I am putting in a new shed, which will house my shop. I intend to power it with solar but where I live everything has to be done by certified/licensed, even for off grid, which my shed would be. Panels have to be installed by certified solar installers and of course the electric work has to be at least blessed by a licensed electrician. And yes, everything has to be permitted. Yes, it would be cheaper just to connect to the grid, but where is the fun in that? I have no issue with the equipment costs but at that rate for installation it might just get too expensive.
 
Taking out an ad on Craigslist or Nextdoor, as suggested, would be a good start. A scissor lift would also be a great option. Just put 12 445W panels on a 4/12 metal roof and it was an exhausting full day of work. Heaviest 51lbs. I’ve ever handled. I should have opened a discussion here to get advice on panel size. I’m guessing most of the seasoned folks would have told me panels that big are best for a ground array. Had I had the extra time and trailer I would have rented a scissor lift in a second. Good luck man!
 
Taking out an ad on Craigslist or Nextdoor, as suggested, would be a good start. A scissor lift would also be a great option. Just put 12 445W panels on a 4/12 metal roof and it was an exhausting full day of work. Heaviest 51lbs. I’ve ever handled. I should have opened a discussion here to get advice on panel size. I’m guessing most of the seasoned folks would have told me panels that big are best for a ground array. Had I had the extra time and trailer I would have rented a scissor lift in a second. Good luck man!

Yeah! My initial dreaming was to use 450W panels and do the work myself................then I visited a job underway. Quicky came reality! NO WAY was I going to climb ladders carrying heavy, huge panels and then lug them onto my 30 degree pitched roof.

I am still waiting for my installation to start by a solar company with 400W panels employing younger, stronger guys who do that kind of work daily.
 
My solar installer put the panels, rails and micro inverters on the roof for about $0.26 per Watt. I pulled the permit but listed a licensed electrician because I was changing out a main service panel and my electrician had connections with PG&E to get the service panel changout done quickly. This was Sonoma County CA.
 
My solar installer put the panels, rails and micro inverters on the roof for about $0.26 per Watt. I pulled the permit but listed a licensed electrician because I was changing out a main service panel and my electrician had connections with PG&E to get the service panel changout done quickly. This was Sonoma County CA.


GOOD for you Ampster! I tried to hire installers as you did without success.
 
Yeah! My initial dreaming was to use 450W panels and do the work myself................then I visited a job underway. Quicky came reality! NO WAY was I going to climb ladders carrying heavy, huge panels and then lug them onto my 30 degree pitched roof.

I am still waiting for my installation to start by a solar company with 400W panels employing younger, stronger guys who do that kind of work daily.
Yep Definitely a young man's game. Only thing making it feasible for me 3 young helpers, one story roof and the bricklayer's scaffold. Like you my roof pitch is 33 degrees the fall protection harnesses came in handy to lean against while wrestling the panels up.
 
Yep Definitely a young man's game. Only thing making it feasible for me 3 young helpers, one story roof and the bricklayer's scaffold. Like you my roof pitch is 33 degrees the fall protection harnesses came in handy to lean against while wrestling the panels up.

You did a great job Mike..........
 
The only way to figure fair, is to know how many guys and how many days.
On the low end for an insured contractor figure $750 a day per man.
 
I am going thru the same issue.
Here in PR, I am looking for panels and installation only.
Just got a quote of $16,000 for the (16) 455W panels with Unirack install.

Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
 
Here in PR, I am looking for panels and installation only.
Just got a quote of $16,000 for the (16) 455W panels with Unirack install.

Doesn't that sound ridiculous?

That comes out to about $1.35/watt for labor, which is a lot. But if you no other options, not much you can do about that.

After talking to over a dozen solar companies and getting quotes and negotiating, I find that very few are willing to do labor only. A chunk of their profit margin is in selling equipment too, so if some of that part is cut out, they'll compensate by charging more for labor.
 
That comes out to about $1.35/watt for labor, which is a lot. But if you no other options, not much you can do about that.

After talking to over a dozen solar companies and getting quotes and negotiating, I find that very few are willing to do labor only. A chunk of their profit margin is in selling equipment too, so if some of that part is cut out, they'll compensate by charging more for labor.
moonlight23, how does one calculate those numbers?
So I can do the math.
Thanks.
 
There is a shortage of solar install labor, solar guys are getting $400 per man-hour hour for their crews, they do not like DIY because it hurts their ability to pull the wool over the customer’s eyes by marking up equipment.

The most successful strategy for a DIYer that I have seen is hiring an electrician on a day rate telling them that you just want their involvement and you will learn with them. This does not work if you are the kind that didn’t read the manual or fully understand your core one-line drawing for the system you bought, if you sit back and expect the electrician to do that then good luck. They will help you keep safe, wire size appropriately and make the job clean; but I tend to see them make a Phase mis-match short circuit in a hearttbeat because they “aren‘t familiar with solar”
Some good electricians could do it all, but pls do not expect that you are getting that kind of service for $500 per day.
 
There is a shortage of solar install labor, solar guys are getting $400 per man-hour hour for their crews, they do not like DIY because it hurts their ability to pull the wool over the customer’s eyes by marking up equipment.

The most successful strategy for a DIYer that I have seen is hiring an electrician on a day rate telling them that you just want their involvement and you will learn with them. This does not work if you are the kind that didn’t read the manual or fully understand your core one-line drawing for the system you bought, if you sit back and expect the electrician to do that then good luck. They will help you keep safe, wire size appropriately and make the job clean; but I tend to see them make a Phase mis-match short circuit in a hearttbeat because they “aren‘t familiar with solar”
Some good electricians could do it all, but pls do not expect that you are getting that kind of service for $500 per day.
" I tend to see them make a Phase mis-match short circuit in a hearttbeat "

Please explain that DIY term to this old retired master electrician.
 
If $0.70/W is the labor, not just to carry a panel up to the roof (or use a lift), but to measure, install brackets with screws into roof, seal penetrations, mount rails if used, mount panels... then it seems reasonable to me.

Installing panels is where all the work is.

You can purchase hardware for GT PV for about $1.00/W, maybe a bit more if RSD. Another $0.15/W for RSD box?
Installed system is likely to be $3.00/W

Hanging an inverter and putting conduit to breaker panel and through eaves of roof is minor. To me, most of the labor for that $2.00 or $1.85 over and above hardware is the panel install.

Obviously labor is more "per panel" than "per watt", but for one-off jobs, there needs to be a simple formula.

I might consider having a roofer install standoffs with flashing, lined up to hold rails. For my permit office's policy of no structural permit for < 40 lbs/attach point, about two standoffs per panel. So 16 panels needs 32 standoffs. Similar to a roofer putting in 32 vents or penetrations for a TV antenna. Get that priced, and the balance of the work is bolting on rails and bolting panels to them.

(I actually want the standoffs screwed into rafters not sheathing, and would do that myself. But I think through sheathing is considered acceptable.)

In California, purchase a worker's compensation policy if you have individuals work for you.
If you hire a contractor, verify his license on CSLB web site. Make sure it is for the type of work. See if he admits or denies having employees. Request for his worker's compensation insurance company to send you a document declaring coverage (which won't lapse without notice to you.)
Having worker's compensation insurance covering the workers, either your policy or contractor's policy, is how you avoid liability for injuries.
 
(I actually want the standoffs screwed into rafters not sheathing, and would do that myself. But I think through sheathing is considered acceptable.)
Probably if in a low wind area and using closer spacing and more fasteners. Sheeting gives ½-¾ inch penetration for a lag bolt compared to much more for a rafter.
 
Yeah, San Jose.

I assume if > 40 lbs. per attachment point, they will require it hit something structural, and the permit would address it.
If just going through sheathing, maybe one could put bolts not lag screws through, then crawl inside attack and use a large backing (or just nail 2x4 blocking to rafters, and use lag screws. Having blindly drilled holes from above just wherever. But near eaves isn't readily accessible, so only for mount higher on the roof.

Like I said, I would want to hit the rafters, and would do it myself. Started to, but with shake not asphalt shingle, once-piece standoff and flashing wasn't doable. 2-piece would have been (insert upright through flashing and thread on to base.) A project to be done together with re-roofing, while rafter locations are obvious.
 
I am going thru the same issue.
Here in PR, I am looking for panels and installation only.
Just got a quote of $16,000 for the (16) 455W panels with Unirack install.

Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
It's impossible to say without knowing what brand panel, who's configuring the panels, insurance, permits, how long, how many guys, licensed, warranty or tail light guarantee.
 
That comes out to about $1.35/watt for labor, which is a lot. But if you no other options, not much you can do about that.

After talking to over a dozen solar companies and getting quotes and negotiating, I find that very few are willing to do labor only. A chunk of their profit margin is in selling equipment too, so if some of that part is cut out, they'll compensate by charging more for labor.
I recently got an email from a company who quoted me last spring seeing if I was still interested. I responded that I had most of the equipment, but could use assistance in the install. Their response:

Thanks for the response. However, if we are to do an install, we do everything from top to bottom including the materials.

Unfortunately, this is what I think you will find out from most solar installers you contact. Best of luck!
 
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