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Bogart Engineering Controllers and Monitors

OMG – I feel SO much better after reading this. I just installed a WF-2030 and thought I was losing my mind. Catch is, Bogart told me I shouldn't need any firmware updates since my SC and TM units were both ordered from them within the last year. Guess I need to confirm that.

I hope this thread (or others?) can serve as a place for us to help each other and LEARN how to optimize the Bogart system. I've played with the parameters some to maximize charging, but I haven't yet been able to get specific gravity up to 1.275 as recommended by the battery manufacturer.
There’s a version number sticker on the back, You can see the versions supported on their webpage. I’m sure they will do what they can to get it figured out, they did more than I expected for me.

Double check to make sure you got your wires in properly, and you need to check the pin count on the phone cord you’re using.
 
Always been a fan of the PentaMetric. Still have one in service on my SLA bank. It’s nice having three shunts to monitor charge and discharge currents individually. The comms port gets around the one-parameter-at-a-time HMI limitation. I wish they had a 48V LFP option with balancing.
 
I'm now thankful I did not get the Bluetooth module. Needs to be on the SC2030 version 9. Mine is 1.1
 
Always been a fan of the PentaMetric. Still have one in service on my SLA bank. It’s nice having three shunts to monitor charge and discharge currents individually. The comms port gets around the one-parameter-at-a-time HMI limitation. I wish they had a 48V LFP option with balancing.
The Pentametric monitor is one of the first IoT (the first, of course, was a CMU vending machine). The Pentametric had ethernet capability in 2005.
 
There’s a version number sticker on the back, You can see the versions supported on their webpage. I’m sure they will do what they can to get it figured out, they did more than I expected for me.

Double check to make sure you got your wires in properly, and you need to check the pin count on the phone cord you’re using.
The version # is also displayed for a few seconds by the Trimetric monitor when it is powered on. The solar charger flashes its green LED n # f times corresponding to its version # (ver 8 & above).
 
OMG – I feel SO much better after reading this. I just installed a WF-2030 and thought I was losing my mind. Catch is, Bogart told me I shouldn't need any firmware updates since my SC and TM units were both ordered from them within the last year. Guess I need to confirm that.

I hope this thread (or others?) can serve as a place for us to help each other and LEARN how to optimize the Bogart system. I've played with the parameters some to maximize charging, but I haven't yet been able to get specific gravity up to 1.275 as recommended by the battery manufacturer.
Does your monitor & controller (without WiFi module) work together as specified? Are you able to see solar current & battery temp on the the monitor's display? This data is provided by the controller to the monitor. If not, this must be resolved first before the WiFi module is connected.

Edit: Are you in L3 or L4 (P7)? Switch to L4 & set P20 to 10%. This parameter lets you adjust the overcharge and will help fully convert the trace levels of lead sulfate left over.

Please call/email us if these tips don't fix the issues & we'll resolve this.
 
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Does your monitor & controller (without WiFi module) work together as specified? Are you able to see solar current & battery temp on the the monitor's display? This data is provided by the controller to the monitor. If not, this must be resolved first before the WiFi module is connected.

Edit: Are you in L3 or L4 (P7)? Switch to L4 & set P20 to 10%. This parameter lets you adjust the overcharge and will help fully convert the trace levels of lead sulfate left over.

Please call/email us if these tips don't fix the issues & we'll resolve this.
This ability to perform a mini equalize or as some call it a "top charge" is what finally sold me on the unit.
 
I have an SC-2030 and TM-2030 for the past 3 years. I have 4 AGMs. I went with Bogart because, as they said above, they do "amp-hrs counting to determine endpoints ". I would also suggest to Bogart that they provide signals from the TM/SC that can be used to shut off loads when the battery gets too low. I would also suggest they add the ability to update the firmware. A method of firmware update is essential for any product that has firmware.

I left the power on in the winter and dragged down my AGMs to 10%. Now, when they are at 100% and the sun is shining, the voltage will cycle from 27 to 33 volts over the course of many seconds. Bogart replied that this is caused by sulfation in the batteries and there is not much they can do to fix it. I think this means that the SCC sees the voltage at 27 and increases that to the proper float value, then the battery responds by slowly ramping up it's voltage. The SCC shuts off at the target voltage, but the battery cruises past the target on to 33+ with some sort of momentum. My Victron multiplus compact 24/2000 does not like that excess voltage and shuts off. Bogart offered an upgrade to the firmware, but I would have to mail it to them and pay.

I am replacing the TM and SC 2030s and the batteries with http://www.electrodacus.com/ and the Xuba 280ah LiFePo4 cells. It feels like Dacien at Electrodacus is virtually the same as the people at Bogart. Both are excellent at responding to emails. Both seem to be providing products that they created for themselves. Both prefer PWM type controllers, although my understanding from Dacien is that his solar controller DSSR20 is not really PWM or MPPT. It is essentially sends the panel straight to the LiFePo4 cells, but will respond to the main controller. I am not an expert, so I cannot confirm that his solution is excellent, but it makes sense. LiFePo4 charging is much simpler than lead acid, and thus the SC-2030 logic is unneeded.

I am sure that I can use the SC-2030 to charge the Li batteries, but I still need a balancer, and Electrodacus provdes that, so I'm going to sell the bogart stuff.

I am not an expert on MPPT vs PWM, but the PWM controller is cheaper, and does not need a large heat sink. Those are 2 factors that mean that in order to justify MPPT, you have to prove that 1) it is worth the money, and 2) that large heat sink is somehow not throwing away solar energy. Both of those are high hurdles to prove. In my mind the only benefit to MPPT is that you can have a high voltage coming off the panels, and thus cheaper wires, and that all depends on your physical layout.

The Electrodacus solution makes the BMS a monitor and controller. The current does not go through it. This seems to be a darn good choice. It sends signals to the loads and to the chargers to shut off when necessary. I like that approach because the BMS is simpler. It does not need amp specific components. My new setup will properly shut off loads when the battery is drained.

In both cases, they are rather poor at remote monitoring. When I bought mine, there was no remote access. Bogart is now offering the WiFi module and that looks good. Electrodacus also has a WiFi module, but his implementation makes the WiFi an access point. It cannot be a client on your existing wifi. I emailed Dacien about this and he explained why; he just used the default ESP20 firmware. He he feels that I, a pro software developer, should be able to update the firmware on the WiFi module to be a client. I plan to make that solution available to Dacien or others depending on what I discover. Both Bogart and Electrodacus have a default physical user interface and offer wifi/browser as an option. This is backwards. If I was them, I would reverse this. I would make the base system have no physical user interface. It would be WiFi only. Then maybe offer a physical user interface as an option. I don't really see the point of bluetooth. It is limited in range. Wifi is cheap and probably already in your build area. I mean if you don't have wifi, then how are you reading this? Without too much trouble that info can be put onto the internet for remote access.

In short, I feel that Electrodacus is the Bogart for LiFePo4. Real humans, real responsive, well thought out solutions, and not expensive.
 
Nice to see a company chiming in. I have a few sets of the bogart hits at home.

I'm currently stuck 1500 miles away but am quickly trying to cobble a few rigs together which are being sent to NYC for the Drs volunteering.

While trying to get this done as cheaply as possible I remembered I had them sitting at home. Doh.
 
SO BOGART has until about a year ago been the GOLD STANDARD for monitoring. We have sooo many BOGART monitors at work it looks like we are a supply store for them. They are easy to set up - (ONCE you know how) - and their customer service is beyond compare. They will actually answer not only your email BUT your phone calls. I like BOGART so much that I was actually thinking of naming my first born after them ...

BUT times has changed -- at least from where i sit -- technology has gotten lighter, faster, cheaper, better. not saying that I still don't respect BOGART (I do and always will) but there are other vendors out there that has stayed up with current technology a little better ... Vendors that provide wifi and bluetooth from the start -- that have much better visualization (with BOGART you only get to see one thing at one time - while you push the button) ... - newer technologies that allow you to track multiple batteries on the same apparatus ... that provides logging ... and history ... and cool screens and blah blah blah... maybe because I grew up with a smartphone and multi-tasking devices since birth, but I sort of like to see the entire picture all at once ... and able to change a parameter by typing the number in instead of pushing 8 buttons UP DOWN LEFT and then RIGHT..

I also like to be back at the apartment and be able to see 100 remote systems all at once on a laptop ... or on my Android if I am out if one of my Techs is having an issue ..

BOGART is sort of the VINYL record of the industry ... the 1967 Chevy Corvette ... worth every penny and does a phenomenal job ... but for some of us ... we are looking for a TESLA ROADSTER ... it all depends on what YOU enjoy ...
I too love Bogart but trying to...get more than 31 amps I have a Trimetric SC 2030 controller and a TM 2030 which limits the amps to 31 from the solar panels..I have 10 Trojan T-105 batteries and about 1000 watt solar panels I live off grid!

The system has worked great but I am trying to hook up a additional controller to get more then 30 amps into the batteries..I am using a older Xantrec that I had around and the monitor is not reading it correctly..I do have the negative battery going to the shunt bus so it can see the use but ...any detailed installation instructions ANYWHERE on how to hook up 2 controllers to the Monitor? I know I called once and Bogart said it was possible but was not ready to at that time..
ANY IDEA how/IF IT''S possible to do so..ANY help is greatly appreciated
 
Hook up any DC source to its input - solar, DC power supply, alternator - and it'll charge the batteries.

Any source >=15 volts. Will be an upper limit as well.
And if you want any control over the charge profile you need to add on the TM-2030 Battery Monitor.
They claim to do proper charge termination though, which is nice.
 
Any source >=15 volts. Will be an upper limit as well.
And if you want any control over the charge profile you need to add on the TM-2030 Battery Monitor.
They claim to do proper charge termination though, which is nice.
Yea I got it charging the batteries from the second charger..TRYING to figure out HOW to connect to the monitor so it will tell me the values for that xantrex as well as the Bogart
 
Yea I got it charging the batteries from the second charger..TRYING to figure out HOW to connect to the monitor so it will tell me the values for that xantrex as well as the Bogart
I am confused. What is the Xantrex? A solar charger, or a meter?

The trimetric should show the amps, regardless of what chargers and loads are connected, as long as the trimetric is properly connected to the battery and shunt, and that the shunt is the one and only thing connected to the battery negative. All other negatives go to the other side of the shunt.
 
I am confused. What is the Xantrex? A solar charger, or a meter?

The trimetric should show the amps, regardless of what chargers and loads are connected, as long as the trimetric is properly connected to the battery and shunt, and that the shunt is the one and only thing connected to the battery negative. All other negatives go to the other side of the shunt.
Yea the xantrex is the older controller that I replaced with the Bogart and if I put both on then I would have 65 AMP capacity and not 31..I think you may have given me the answer in the shunt comment. I had forgotten that and had run the negative from the controller to the shunt and THEN RAN another wire to the battery terminal
 
I am confused. What is the Xantrex? A solar charger, or a meter?

The trimetric should show the amps, regardless of what chargers and loads are connected, as long as the trimetric is properly connected to the battery and shunt, and that the shunt is the one and only thing connected to the battery negative. All other negatives go to the other side of the shunt.
SO CONCEIVABLY I COULD CONNECT 2 OR MORE CONTROLLERS TO THE NEGATIVE SHUNT and the monitor would know that more amps are going in> It does show my gen putting in 95 amps so with 2 controllers for example it would show a max of 66.. 31 from the Bogart and 35 from the Xantrex controller
 
Yea the xantrex is the older controller that I replaced with the Bogart and if I put both on then I would have 65 AMP capacity and not 31..I think you may have given me the answer in the shunt comment. I had forgotten that and had run the negative from the controller to the shunt and THEN RAN another wire to the battery terminal
Yea, double check that there is one wire from the battery negative. That wire should go to the shunt. The shunt should have just that same one wire on one side of the shunt. The other side of the shunt can have any number of negatives. That is where you would add any more loads or chargers. Also there should be a total of 3 small leads going to the trimetric from both sides of that shunt. Once you correct this, the trimetric will show all amps in/out of the battery.

If you then set the other charge sources to have settings to have a slightly lower voltage target for the last two phases, you could probably ensure that the bogart stuff supplies the final charge to ensure the batteries are properly charged. I am not an expert on how you might set the xantrex. The bogart is the only charge controller that monitors amps and properly returns the battery to fully charged state. For example, it will return 105% of the amps removed (if that is the correct value for your battery). But it cannot do that if the other charge sources are not backing off before the SC-2030. It cannot stop the other sources from over charging. Regarding your generator, I would just shut it off after the amps drop below say 30. There is no point in running the generator to deliver the final dribbles of amps to get it full. That's what the bogart stuff is great at. An email to bogart would probably give you some good advice for how to set the xantrex to make sure it backs off before the SC-2030, so that the SC-2030 can control the final absorption and float.
 
SO CONCEIVABLY I COULD CONNECT 2 OR MORE CONTROLLERS TO THE NEGATIVE SHUNT and the monitor would know that more amps are going in> It does show my gen putting in 95 amps so with 2 controllers for example it would show a max of 66.. 31 from the Bogart and 35 from the Xantrex controller
Any # of solar controllers or shore chargers (or any other DC charging sources) may be connected to the shunt and the Trimetric monitor will track the current from those sources. If a DC source is connected directly to the battery bank's negative side (bypassing the shunt), the Trimetric monitor will not be aware of the current flow from that source.
 
I too love Bogart but trying to...get more than 31 amps I have a Trimetric SC 2030 controller and a TM 2030 which limits the amps to 31 from the solar panels..I have 10 Trojan T-105 batteries and about 1000 watt solar panels I live off grid!

The system has worked great but I am trying to hook up a additional controller to get more then 30 amps into the batteries..I am using a older Xantrec that I had around and the monitor is not reading it correctly..I do have the negative battery going to the shunt bus so it can see the use but ...any detailed installation instructions ANYWHERE on how to hook up 2 controllers to the Monitor? I know I called once and Bogart said it was possible but was not ready to at that time..
ANY IDEA how/IF IT''S possible to do so..ANY help is greatly appreciated
The TM-2030 is capable of managing two SC-2030 solar controllers, effectively doubling the solar current to 62 Amps. The TM-2030 can't manage other make/models of charge controllers and its serial port must not be connected to any controller other than the SC-2030. Doing so can (& very likely) damage the monitor and the controller.
 
There’s a version number sticker on the back, You can see the versions supported on their webpage. I’m sure they will do what they can to get it figured out, they did more than I expected for me.

Double check to make sure you got your wires in properly, and you need to check the pin count on the phone cord you’re using.
I have both the TM and the controller and looked but the stickers have long numbers with no version..how do I tell the version from the numbers might have to enlarge to see well but IMG_20200708_184603980 (1).jpgany help is very welcomeIMG_20200708_185731218.jpg
 
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