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littleharbor2 said:
So, have you spent any time in Mexico.
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Actually, I have not..
littleharbor2 said:
Do you know anything about its culture? Funny how Mexico is perceived by ignorant US residents.
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I am ignorant when it comes to the finer details of Mexico.

littleharbor2 said:
It is much safer down here than nearly any city in the US.
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I find that to be somewhat misleading. I think it depends on how we look at safety and crime. The statistics show Mexico as being safer in several respects, and a lot more dangerous in others. I suspect the drug cartels shooting people has a lot to do with it.

littleharbor2 said:
The media will always show some of the brutal killings that do happen down here and highlight these happenings.(especially around Spring Break) If you are involved in cartel activity then you need to sleep with one eye open, but the general public have little to worry about. Look at it this way, There's virtually zero chance if being a victim of one of the daily random mass shootings that seem to be happening all over in the states. I'm not against gun ownership per se, but it is highly restricted down here. This seems to result in unstable, homicidal types running around shooting innocent people.
There are thousands of gringos living down here. Ask any of them and I'm sure you'll get a similar answer. We've made a conscious choice to live down here and do not regret it.
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Like I said, I am ignorant of the finer details regarding Mexico.. I've never been there, I have no desire to go there... That said, I don't want to give off the wrong impression.. I also do not believe the "illegal immigrants bring crime" propaganda being pushed in the USA.
 
BoloMKXXVIII said:
Not sure I buy this statement. I can make my own power. I can't make my own gas.
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Sure, some of us can, but what percent of the population has $$$ and knowledge to design and install enough solar capacity (and battery storage) to sustain being 100% off grid on full electric? My guess is less than 0.01 percent worldwide.
And that is just individual people.

What about industry? Can industry that sustains our current western lifestyle operate on pure electric without the grid? That's a resounding no.
 
The yucatan in mexico always looked good to me. However have read ppl from the States with to much money are over paying for everything - they have moved there and ruined the basic advantages of moving there - no longer as affordable. They - repats have ruined the economy and started welfare programs. Some ppl are not happy until they turn the new place into just like the place they LEFT. It is a human defect.

I considered moving there about 6 years ago.
 
MurphyGuy said:
How do you know they have an aversion to gun ownership?

I'm a prepper and probably own more weapons than any five or ten people in this forum, and yet when talking to my neighbors, I treat the subject of guns as taboo as religion or politics.. I even went so far as to ask if a 9mm was bigger than a .45 once.

And for the record, I own a Barrett M1A1, my AR's all have binary triggers and suppressors..

Telling others who know where you live that you own guns is never a good idea.. some of that "central planning" can be wise..
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If you dont have a pair of .50 cal barretts to dual wield youre clearly a wuss.
 
BoloMKXXVIII said:
Not sure I buy this statement. I can make my own power. I can't make my own gas.
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That doesnt mean they arent trying to do just what he said. And as someone else said you represent a miniscule minority. The vast majority of people in the US that have solar capability, have no storage ability. They keep moving the grid tie goalposts to ensure people are still on the grid.
And gas... Well theres that EV mandate thingy. Which is irrelevent because they arent trying to get ICE owners into EVs. Theyre trying to make individual auto ownership too expensive and impractical for the masses, while those rich homeowners can still have their EVs. Absolute population control when they can dictate when you can charge your car and can shut down the whole mass transit system with a push of the button. Food riots on the other side of town? Political protests? Cant have that. System malfunction, try again tomorrow.
 
D71 said:
The yucatan in mexico always looked good to me. However have read ppl from the States with to much money are over paying for everything - they have moved there and ruined the basic advantages of moving there - no longer as affordable. They - repats have ruined the economy and started welfare programs. Some ppl are not happy until they turn the new place into just like the place they LEFT. It is a human defect.

I considered moving there about 6 years ago.
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Yes, this is going on in select areas in Mexico. Very sad to see and financially feel in the pocket. I think covid has had a terrible impact on the economy down here just as in the USA and worldwide.
I went to Cabo San Lucas about 12 years ago. I had a mental picture of what it was going to be like. Boy was I wrong. Unless you are a 5 star, never leave the resort, kind of person You have to be amazed at how all the development has done to ruin the charm that is/was old world Mexico. While this development has provided employment for some it has made the poverty here even worse and more pervasive with the cost of living rising and business grasping for the almighty US dollar.
I live 25 miles south of the small town of San Felipe. Other than the handful of unfinished high rise hotel projects that have failed this is still a charming community to live in. Most of the ex-pats who live here make an effort to assimilate into the culture and community. The Mexican citizens are, for the most part, very warm and loving people. I'm amazed how happy these people are considering their standard of living is on a lesser level than folks in the USA are accustomed to.
I've noticed that many border area Mexicans work in the USA but live in Mexico. They can live full time in the USA but choose to live in Mexico and take advantage of better paying US jobs.
 
BoloMKXXVIII said:
Not sure I buy this statement. I can make my own power. I can't make my own gas.
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Agreed 100% but can you disable the GPS and communication sensors in an EV that that allow remote shut down and still make it drivable?
Makes me want to build my own EV even more.
 
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aenyc said:
Sure, some of us can, but what percent of the population has $$$ and knowledge to design and install enough solar capacity (and battery storage) to sustain being 100% off grid on full electric? My guess is less than 0.01 percent worldwide.
And that is just individual people.

What about industry? Can industry that sustains our current western lifestyle operate on pure electric without the grid? That's
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Batvette said:
That doesnt mean they arent trying to do just what he said. And as someone else said you represent a miniscule minority. The vast majority of people in the US that have solar capability, have no storage ability. They keep moving the grid tie goalposts to ensure people are still on the grid.
And gas... Well theres that EV mandate thingy. Which is irrelevent because they arent trying to get ICE owners into EVs. Theyre trying to make individual auto ownership too expensive and impractical for the masses, while those rich homeowners can still have their EVs. Absolute population control when they can dictate when you can charge your car and can shut down the whole mass transit system with a push of the button. Food riots on the other side of town? Political protests? Cant have that. System malfunction, try again tomorrow.
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Gas is refined in just a few places in the US. Much easier for the Government to shut those down than all the electric. In any case, I have three sources of electricity; grid, generator, solar.
 
BoloMKXXVIII said:
Gas is refined in just a few places in the US. Much easier for the Government to shut those down than all the electric. In any case, I have three sources of electricity; grid, generator, solar.
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You have to look at the nuances. While its easier for the government to shut down gas (or electricity) at the source, doing so would cause a huge impact especially if a lot of proles are simultaneously affected. The proles can take arms, and very quickly put the proverbial masters on the proverbial stick. The masters know that and are in fact very afraid of that.
Which is why it is infinitely easier to shut down individual proles via smart meters (or disjoint groups of individual proles). Why do you think they are pushing smart meter technology on everyone? For your convenience? LOL.
 

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Here it is, once they have their way, you wont be able to prepare your generator. You will be at their complete mercy (And even solar needs an external power source to energize the inverter so it can operate and the system must be explicitly designed for this function and inverter must support it (most do not. BTW, this is how I explicitly designed the system around my Solark12K). The only other way would be batteries, but you would need insane KWH capacity to sustain even 12 hrs of outage.
 
aenyc said:

NatGas, Coal, Nuclear Power Save Largest US Grid As Emergency Alert Declared For Second Day | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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Here it is, once they have their way, you wont be able to prepare your generator. You will be at their complete mercy (And even solar needs an external power source to energize the inverter so it can operate and the system must be explicitly designed for this function and inverter must support it (most do not. BTW, this is how I explicitly designed the system around my Solark12K). The only other way would be batteries, but you would need insane KWH capacity to sustain even 12 hrs of outage.
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BoloMKXXVIII said:
Gas is refined in just a few places in the US. Much easier for the Government to shut those down than all the electric. In any case, I have three sources of electricity; grid, generator, solar.
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You dont shut down the gasoline supply with the touch of a button. Theres the inventory in place at distribution centers, service stations, and in the tank of our cars. And some preppers have tanks but thats an anomaly.
 
Batvette said:
You dont shut down the gasoline supply with the touch of a button. Theres the inventory in place at distribution centers, service stations, and in the tank of our cars. And some preppers have tanks but thats an anomaly.
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You can't shut down the electrical grid with the push of a button either..
 
Batvette said:
Okay wise guy how many buttons does it take?
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How many power generation facilities and interconnection sub stations are there?

There is no "button" to shut down the grid.. You'd have to take down enough power generation facilities to cause the grid frequency to dip and trip. There is a minimum number depending on the time of day, time of year, etc.

During a hot summer Saturday afternoon when a heat wave is rolling across the nation, that number probably gets much smaller than if you picked 3am in the middle of the night in the spring or fall.

Actually, I suppose that pushing the "Detonate" button an a high altitude nuclear EMP could take out all power generation and fuel with a single button..
 
MurphyGuy said:
How many power generation facilities and interconnection sub stations are there?

There is no "button" to shut down the grid.. You'd have to take down enough power generation facilities to cause the grid frequency to dip and trip. There is a minimum number depending on the time of day, time of year, etc.

During a hot summer Saturday afternoon when a heat wave is rolling across the nation, that number probably gets much smaller than if you picked 3am in the middle of the night in the spring or fall.

Actually, I suppose that pushing the "Detonate" button an a high altitude nuclear EMP could take out all power generation and fuel with a single button..
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It is all nonsense, it is not like the oil refineries, pipelines, petrol stations, car factories, etc would continue to work without a grid.
 
MurphyGuy said:
How many power generation facilities and interconnection sub stations are there?

There is no "button" to shut down the grid.. You'd have to take down enough power generation facilities to cause the grid frequency to dip and trip. There is a minimum number depending on the time of day, time of year, etc.

During a hot summer Saturday afternoon when a heat wave is rolling across the nation, that number probably gets much smaller than if you picked 3am in the middle of the night in the spring or fall.

Actually, I suppose that pushing the "Detonate" button an a high altitude nuclear EMP could take out all power generation and fuel with a single button..
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If we are pursuing the conspiracy theory angle of shutting down certain peoples' power as a means of control for political reasons or isolating social unrest, I believe one button isnt far off the mark. Rolling blackouts are a thing here in Southern California, they can do it the same way. Everyone has smart meters now, not sure what the range is but that would allow them to do it by individual addresses rather than whole areas.
 
Batvette said:
If we are pursuing the conspiracy theory angle of shutting down certain peoples' power as a means of control for political reasons or isolating social unrest, I believe one button isnt far off the mark. Rolling blackouts are a thing here in Southern California, they can do it the same way. Everyone has smart meters now, not sure what the range is but that would allow them to do it by individual addresses rather than whole areas.
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Remove meter, install bus bars in meter socket.

That's how they did it in England in the 1600's when the king would shut down your power remotely.
 
Checkthisout said:
Remove meter, install bus bars in meter socket.

That's how they did it in England in the 1600's when the king would shut down your power remotely.
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Frankly I prefer putting my tongue across the contacts as I usually dont have buss bars laying around. Besides I hear chicke really go for that forked tongue thing.
 
Batvette said:
Frankly I prefer putting my tongue across the contacts as I usually dont have buss bars laying around. Besides I hear chicke really go for that forked tongue thing.
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That would be an electrifying experience. That's how Ben Franklin discovered electricity. He put tongue across the meter socket contacts.
 
Batvette said:
If we are pursuing the conspiracy theory angle of shutting down certain peoples' power as a means of control for political reasons or isolating social unrest, I believe one button isnt far off the mark.
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We are not pursuing the conspiracy theory.. that's you, not me. Its a mental illness, but that's a different discussion.

Batvette said:
Rolling blackouts are a thing here in Southern California, they can do it the same way. Everyone has smart meters now, not sure what the range is but that would allow them to do it by individual addresses rather than whole areas.
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Who's them?? You think the power company is going to volunteer to turn off your meter when you pay your bill every month? In your little conspiracy world, the reality is that if they intentionally turned off power because of social unrest, it would have the opposite effect of what you seem to think.. Such social unrest would go from inconvenient and troublesome to a full blown war against those responsible for such actions.

You didn't really think that through? Even shutting off the power to prevent wild fires during extreme weather is met with scolding remarks, political fallout, and social anger.. and they only do that because the consequences of that fallout are far less than the consequences of a wild fire.

Stop thinking someone is always out to get you.. Business wants your money, politicians want your vote.. it is that simple.
 
MurphyGuy said:
We are not pursuing the conspiracy theory.. that's you, not me. Its a mental illness, but that's a different discussion.


Who's them?? You think the power company is going to volunteer to turn off your meter when you pay your bill every month? In your little conspiracy world, the reality is that if they intentionally turned off power because of social unrest, it would have the opposite effect of what you seem to think.. Such social unrest would go from inconvenient and troublesome to a full blown war against those responsible for such actions.

You didn't really think that through? Even shutting off the power to prevent wild fires during extreme weather is met with scolding remarks, political fallout, and social anger.. and they only do that because the consequences of that fallout are far less than the consequences of a wild fire.

Stop thinking someone is always out to get you.. Business wants your money, politicians want your vote.. it is that simple.
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First thing FBI do is cut power and sometimes water. Prison up risings are the same, Israel does the same to GAZA Duh duh duh .... they definitely block cell phones and track them too. They have that shit down to an art.

Murphy is a lot dumber than I thought. holy whack a mole - he bongs himself with Hunter's crack pipe.

GA even shuts down poll vote counting over a water main break that didn't happen... then count votes after poll watchers sent home.
 
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