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Want to purchase Solar Panels from China and import to USA...

You may want to check with local distributors, and even with panel companies who have us stock, they can get you panels quicker and without the hassle. Check out distributors like CED green tech, BayWa r.e., Soligent and Fortune energy as well as many electrical and roofing distributors can get you pallets of panels. For example blue sun solar has US stocked panels, including a 550w, and will sell direct.

Unless your ground mount is putting panels close to the ground, bifacial panels will give you some bonus energy.
 
The only way I would do this is if I had the time and money to waste if things didn't pan out.
I far prefer to know it is either in the US ready to be shipped or I can actually go touch it, hand over cash and take it home.
 
Some 10yrs ago I done self-imports to Canada and to USA. China was friendly then, not sure how is it now. Canadian customs were easy, but US customs were a pain in the neck, needlessly obstinate, just looking for trouble if they could not find any, they invented it. Switched to a broker. Same goods, same paperwork, with broker signature on it, smooth.

If you are doing it, use a broker.
 
How will you deal with: uyghurs / Xinxianj china solar panel tariffs?
Well, we are talking about slave labor. Will this be economic or electric fence style slave labor?

HLB
I'm with you on reliable power and everything else.

Have you seen this vendor?


I'll more than likely order from them in the spring to upgrade my used 315w and 305w panels
The Inxeption vender is interesting. They seemingly sell panels for very low rates, lower than I can get them from China. That is not what I see with other U.S. vendors. Goose bought some:
First, they sell limited batches. Maybe these are cancelled projects here.
Second, their online about page says that they dealing with global supply chains, not just solar panels. Ok, maybe that works.
Third, their employee rating say that the management has no idea what they are doing. Expand and read the ratings.
Something just does not seem right. However, If you can get good solar panels at low prices... Do they have their own risk sets? I will look more at them.

HLB
 
550W is from the front side. Up to 25% from backside. So 687.5W potential. But real world a lot less. Some have reported get better than 17% boost with bifacials.
From what you say, I need to look more at bifacial, as long as they remain tariff free.

HLB
 
You may want to check with local distributors, and even with panel companies who have us stock, they can get you panels quicker and without the hassle. Check out distributors like CED green tech, BayWa r.e., Soligent and Fortune energy as well as many electrical and roofing distributors can get you pallets of panels. For example blue sun solar has US stocked panels, including a 550w, and will sell direct.

Unless your ground mount is putting panels close to the ground, bifacial panels will give you some bonus energy.
I asked for pricing from blue sun and greentech renewables. I will see what they say.

HLB
 
The only way I would do this is if I had the time and money to waste if things didn't pan out.
I far prefer to know it is either in the US ready to be shipped or I can actually go touch it, hand over cash and take it home.
I would prefer that way also, if the pricing is close.

HLB
 
What's the best price per watt delivered you have found in the US ?
So far it looks like the ones GOOSE bought at 21 cents/watt. He said delivery was free. Hard to believe they can do that. It makes me think something is rattling the larger players.

HLB
 
Some 10yrs ago I done self-imports to Canada and to USA. China was friendly then, not sure how is it now. Canadian customs were easy, but US customs were a pain in the neck, needlessly obstinate, just looking for trouble if they could not find any, they invented it. Switched to a broker. Same goods, same paperwork, with broker signature on it, smooth.

If you are doing it, use a broker.
My government experience also. I gave up doing it myself when the U. S. Customs people would not call me back. If we really wanted to test the system, we could do a low dollar import just to see how it works, though they might charge fees way beyond the value of the product.

HLB
 
So far it looks like the ones GOOSE bought at 21 cents/watt. He said delivery was free. Hard to believe they can do that. It makes me think something is rattling the larger players.

HLB

That's a good price if it's genuine ....

You can pay as little as £0.23p/watt from British wholesalers , that's including tax & UK mainland delivery ($0.28c/watt equivalent)
 
I would suggest you contact Green Tech renewables in Pensacola, and buy from them. They normally have a variety of panels available and maybe able to get stuff for you based on the number of panels, or already have suitable alternatives in their wearhouse.

You may have to rent a truck, but this avoids potential broken panels in shipment overseas and the hassle it would cause.

Whatever you decide is up to you. I only ask that you price out and consider a US-based alternative before you buy.
 
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I would suggest you contact Green Tech renewables in Pensacola, and buy from them. They normally have a variety of panels available and maybe able to get stuff for you based on the number of panels, or already have suitable alternatives in their wearhouse.

You may have to rent a truck, but this avoids potential broken panels in shipment overseas and the hassle it would cause.

Whatever you decide is up to you. I only ask that you price out and consider a US-based alternative before you buy.
I am working the U. S. side of things now. Green Tech has one or two places in Arkansas and one in Pensacola Florida. I can easily drive to either. My economy car and trailer can hold one pallet of solar panels. I will try to keep my findings posted.

HLB
 
Yes, but can they? It would have to be very automated to keep prices the same as from China, even with a 25% tariff. I just don't think our government could get away with the 254% increase. It would not wash well.

HLB
As I've pointed out many times on this forum Hanwha QCELLS (South Korean) is already in process of making 100% of the panels in North America, mostly in Georgia.
 
I am working the U. S. side of things now. Green Tech has one or two places in Arkansas and one in Pensacola Florida. I can easily drive to either. My economy car and trailer can hold one pallet of solar panels. I will try to keep my findings posted.

HLB
GreenTech carries QCELLS (where I bought mine) so if you want to actually support a company that is working towards US manufacturing you have your answer.
 
I am working the U. S. side of things now. Green Tech has one or two places in Arkansas and one in Pensacola Florida. I can easily drive to either. My economy car and trailer can hold one pallet of solar panels. I will try to keep my findings posted.

HLB
Sounds good. Also, if you have to get an inspection, be sure to get UL or NRTL listed panels, if your AHJ requires them.
 
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Just to come up to speed here:

I really want to thank you all for helping me on this. It is a lot to process and I am not up to date on acronyms, brand names, new solar technology, and the effort to source more locally.

Originally I was looking for N-Type monofacial ground mounted panels. I initially assumed, perhaps wrongly, that most all panels are made in China and sold to the same contractor type companies that must meet standard quality control, and therefor that there would be little variation in panels.

I still think N-Type is the way to go. I read that originally P-Types were used in space where there was no oxygen, but move them down here and they suffer PID. P-Type is doped with Boron, and N-Type is doped with Phosphorous. Apparently the Boron is susceptible to reaction with oxygen. Sometimes it is not easy to determine which type is for sale.

Monofacial worked for me, efficiency-wise, until I found that that bifacial were exempt from Section 201 Tariffs. However, I am not sure that all of the pricing on this works to my advantage.

Ground mounted is still what I want to do, though I could ground mount the smaller roof panels.

I am somewhat disturbed to see the offerings on used, blemished, and snail trail panels. Some of them are priced higher than new panels. The reasoning for purchasing these is not evident to me, unless there is a considerable price advantage. I would want longevity for my system as it involves a lot of labor and once I do it, I don't want to repair it after a few short years. I also would be hesitant to purchase the brands that show these age defects. Of course, I don't know how old these panels are. I also don't know if the newer brands have not seen enough time to develop defects. Which brings to mind - warranties. I would like to use that information to help choose which panel to buy. However, I do not trust the company to be around in 20 years, and I am pretty sure that if I read the warranty I would find so many exemption clauses that I would see little value.

I am waiting on quotes and more determination on what brand is the better panel. Regarding the later, I found this site from elsewhere on DIY solar, which is interesting:

Thanks again,
HLB
 
What are available down under may not be available state side.

IMO shipping is the hardest part, I hate the idea of damage during shipping but if you buy from local stock you are then responsible for the panels after sale.
 
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Here's a vendor I've bought from.

This listing is new 440W panels, pallet at $0.50/W (not including shipping)
So I can see the appeal of your approach.


I still think N-Type is the way to go. I read that originally P-Types were used in space where there was no oxygen, but move them down here and they suffer PID. P-Type is doped with Boron, and N-Type is doped with Phosphorous. Apparently the Boron is susceptible to reaction with oxygen. Sometimes it is not easy to determine which type is for sale.

I forget which is which, regarding N-type vs. P-type wafers, which are then doped P-type vs. N-type to make a PN junction. I thought both were subject to PID if biased the wrong way. Change in materials (epoxy, glass) was suppose to have mitigated the issue.

Panels used to be negative grounded, for positive 12V or whatever systems.
SunPower made panels of the opposite from usual doping, and were supposed to be lower degradation. But they suffered severe PID. SMA offered a paper and I think a box to bias the panels differently at night, partially reversing the ion flow. SunPower got SMA to provide inverters which could be configured either positive or negative ground.

Now SunPower has panels they say are "PID free", meaning so low a PID effect as to be negligible.

For about a year I had AstroPower single crystal, Sharp polycrystaline, SunPower single crystal all strings in parallel and on transformerless inverter. Half the string was positive biased, half was negative. I later noted some Sharp were badly degraded, but don't know if it came from biasing.

I now have separate negative ground for AstroPower and Sharp, positive ground for SunPower. I've acquired some REC half-cut, low PID but I'll try to determine optimum bias for them.
 
What are available down under may not be available state side.

IMO shipping is the hardest part, I hate the idea of damage during shipping but if you buy from local stock you are then responsible for the panels after sale.
What are available down under may not be available state side.

IMO shipping is the hardest part, I hate the idea of damage during shipping but if you buy from local stock you are then responsible for the panels after sale.
I don't know if shipping insurance with this type of overseas movement works well or not. If it worked well, a refund could be obtained easily and that would solve the problem. I have worked U. S. shipping insurance before and they will try to side rail you by making it impossible to comply with their devious requirements, or just lying. You must document and go the whole 9 yards or you will not get anything.
 
Here's a vendor I've bought from.

This listing is new 440W panels, pallet at $0.50/W (not including shipping)
So I can see the appeal of your approach.




I forget which is which, regarding N-type vs. P-type wafers, which are then doped P-type vs. N-type to make a PN junction. I thought both were subject to PID if biased the wrong way. Change in materials (epoxy, glass) was suppose to have mitigated the issue.

Panels used to be negative grounded, for positive 12V or whatever systems.
SunPower made panels of the opposite from usual doping, and were supposed to be lower degradation. But they suffered severe PID. SMA offered a paper and I think a box to bias the panels differently at night, partially reversing the ion flow. SunPower got SMA to provide inverters which could be configured either positive or negative ground.

Now SunPower has panels they say are "PID free", meaning so low a PID effect as to be negligible.

For about a year I had AstroPower single crystal, Sharp polycrystaline, SunPower single crystal all strings in parallel and on transformerless inverter. Half the string was positive biased, half was negative. I later noted some Sharp were badly degraded, but don't know if it came from biasing.

I now have separate negative ground for AstroPower and Sharp, positive ground for SunPower. I've acquired some REC half-cut, low PID but I'll try to determine optimum bias for them.
I understand. I will try to make some sense of it all.

HLB
 
It looks like state sales tax is a small factor to consider. From my initial research, this would be collected at the point of retail sales in Mississippi, not when it clears customs. That amount would be ~7% for me if I ordered from within country.

HLB
 
Thanks for you interest and advice. Here is more information. I have not made a decision on these panels. Let us see if the file I attached loads correctly. They are Rosen Solar RS-144HC SeriesFramed 144 Layout Mono Module PERC Half-Cell: 540-560W.

I finally managed to talk to a Customs Broker. Let me tell you, for the port of New Orleans, that is not easy. One did not do Customs or Freight Forwarding any more. The second and third had disconnected phones. The fourth would not call me back. The US Customs and Border Patrol would not call me back. The limited information I could obtain suggests a tariff of 27.5%. I will check on the 254% mentioned above. There is a $350 bond to post and several fees. Rosen said they usually do CFR shipping which is Cost + Freight, with no insurance. I can get the Customs Broker to do the insurance. I have ordered batteries DDP (Delivered, duty paid) before, and that worked well, but I have trouble with big trucks accessing my place, so I thought I could just get the 2000 pound palette put on my trailer at the port and haul it home. That could change.

If we pretend that these produce the maximum output of 560 watts and with all costs they run around 30 cents per watt, how does that compare with domestic panels? Are these likely of the same quality as the branded ones domestically? Do the domestic people just order a spec panel from the low bidder in China and put their name on it, or are they linked to one known quality producer? Let me know if you all have more ideas on this.

HLB
Nice specs on the panels.... I can see why you're considering going through the trouble to import.
 
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