Osmethne
Solar Enthusiast
I'm not saying Duke didn't say this but I don't see how this could be legal. Electric utilities are common carriers. They don't get to dictate how we use the power they sell us. It's none of their business.
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I'm not saying Duke didn't say this but I don't see how this could be legal. Electric utilities are common carriers. They don't get to dictate how we use the power they sell us. It's none of their business.
Hedges
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If you charge batteries off-peak, then backfeed batteries into the grid during peak times.
The rules requiring them to take clean alternative energy while crediting you at retail wouldn't allow you to do that with other sources.
Of course they will pay other companies which do exactly that. Probably at different rates. maybe at a premium, as a peaker plant.
If you have a UPS, you can charge its batteries from grid to use later.
The rules requiring them to take clean alternative energy while crediting you at retail wouldn't allow you to do that with other sources.
Of course they will pay other companies which do exactly that. Probably at different rates. maybe at a premium, as a peaker plant.
If you have a UPS, you can charge its batteries from grid to use later.
SunDave
Solar Enthusiast
Hi Tulex,
I would really recommend just referencing the IRS info. You can claim it once on a given system. Saying you can only claim it once as an absolute statement gives many the wrong impression.
ww.irs.gov/credits-deductions/residential-clean-energy-credit
Damn, a lobster….!
when I went to a timeshare presentation event years ago I only got a 7 dollar crock pot.
Inflation rears it’s ugly head.
Overtaxed
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^^ Yes, I suspect this was actually what they were trying to say. Can't charge off peak and backfeed that power during critical peak. Again, no idea how they would know, KW's are fungible; no, that's not the KW you sold me, it's the one my solar panel made, I used the one you sold me 5 minutes ago. But I suspect the intent is to prevent charging during off peak and feed in during peak for credit.
Don't get me started on how stupid that is, peak and critical peak are exactly the times they would want backfeed. Of course, they'd have to pay a higher rate for my power then, so, suddenly they'd prefer to make their own?
Overtaxed
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You'd think that, but, by their reading, if you put in solar, they demand a move to TOU rates. That's them "dictating" how we use and consume the power. I wonder if you take their 200A circuit and tie is ONLY to a charger/battery bank, and then, on the other side, tie that battery to an inverter and solar if you'd be OK? It's so stupid as to be mind numbing, but I kind of suspect they couldn't force you to move to TOU if you did that, there's no coupling of the solar to their system.
Hedges
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Bingo.
Same reason they would rather we didn't make our on electricity with PV panels, and proposed a "photon tax".
And if they can't find them anywhere, would rather the grid just collapsed.
Nothing wrong with an on-line UPS. Could be ChargeVerter and EG4 inverter. It is one way to guarantee no backfeed.
You could probably install a grid-tie zero export system and not be required to go TOU. Depending on their exact rules.
Interesting how Duke wants to prohibit pulling grid energy during low use (eg cheap) times and selling it back to them during high use (eg expensive) times. Our PoCo (Xcel) has a program where they will give a credit/rebate for buying certain battery systems (Powerwall and one other I forget) but you sign a contract to let them pull up to 60% of that battery power out when they need it, some number of times a year.
Presumably Xcel is using these agreements as battery storage for the grid. I have not been interested in it enough to check the details, but I would assume they are not paying you the high use rate for the KWHs they take. But even so, it seems to be the exact philosophy as Duke on this...
Presumably Xcel is using these agreements as battery storage for the grid. I have not been interested in it enough to check the details, but I would assume they are not paying you the high use rate for the KWHs they take. But even so, it seems to be the exact philosophy as Duke on this...
Osmethne
Solar Enthusiast
They're onto you Duke! Run!
OzSolar
Whatever you did, that's what you planned.
That’s funny as hell and true… a lot of those TS guys moved into the solar sales/ installation arena while it’s not regulated or overseen heavily….they are slippery as a leaking jug of STP.
OzSolar
Whatever you did, that's what you planned.
Overtaxed
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That's been my experience as well, I've tried 3 different local installers, all of them make used cars look like an honest profession.
Tulex
Solar Wizard
My post was just a cut and paste from a tax site. The relevant part was about leasing.
Zwy
Emperor Of Solar
Commercial business is 15% tax credit the first year plus a full year's depreciation, then the remaining cost depreciated out.
That makes an incentive for a business to install solar if the earnings were up for the year. The cost was always depreciable but tax credit gives an extra boost the first year.
robby
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Best way to find a good installer is typically by word of mouth.That's been my experience as well, I've tried 3 different local installers, all of them make used cars look like an honest profession.
Nothing beats meeting a happy client and getting a tour of their setup and then judging the workmanship yourself.
It's a Bonus if the owner will spend the time to go into details and tells you all the good and bad experiences of dealing with them.
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