rcguymike
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require no, but it's pretty helpful for many things, the Smart Home Panel 2 may require an internet connection.
New Delta Pro Ultra and Smart Panel 2
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So the Delta Pro Ultra is launched at $5799.00. I have seen discount codes for up to $1000.00 off, however they sold coupons for $300.00 that only gives $1500.00 off which is effectively $1200.00. Wondering if anyone knows if the coupon be applied along with the discount code?
MikeGoodman59
My bug out location north of Greensboro
If I go ALL-IN-ONE, it is looking like either the APOLLO split phase (+2 expansion batteries) or the ULTRA. Help me out.
This unit would be placed remotely at an off-grid cabin (320 SF heated space, 1 hr away) visited 1-2X/month. Initial expandability might be to 1200 square foot metal building. Not afraid to get additional units.
Loads at cabin would be bare bones, refrigerator, HVAC to maintain above freezing, modest comfort during seasonal visits. Utility power could be had. Solar exposure, wind exposure at land very good.
My main goals (in order) are:
1) Reliability
2) Customer service, tech support
3) Price per unit energy
4) Autonomy
5) Communications
6) Redundancy
7) Expandability
Positives of Apollo:
1) autonomous start on solar
2) lighter individual parts
3) more robust communications
4) 4400W/500V solar
5) cabling is straightforward
6) lighter unit parts
Positives of DPU:
1) Larger inverter 7.2W
2) Larger capacity 6 kWh
3) Dual hi/lo voltage solar
4) 450V solar on hi volts
5) single paired unit for 240V
6) cheaper per KW/kWh(?)
Currently have 12Vx235W (37.4VOC/8.3A Isc) unused at home. Could throw them on to either unit, get additional power as needed, topping off with generator. Location even has significant wind possibility.
I don't need 240 on my little building on the land but could see needing a well pump powered.
I could see needing 120V redundancy at home (1 hr) so splitting the Apollo would is a plus.
64 & capable, but the Ultra battery is over my physical lift, rolling okay.
This unit would be placed remotely at an off-grid cabin (320 SF heated space, 1 hr away) visited 1-2X/month. Initial expandability might be to 1200 square foot metal building. Not afraid to get additional units.
Loads at cabin would be bare bones, refrigerator, HVAC to maintain above freezing, modest comfort during seasonal visits. Utility power could be had. Solar exposure, wind exposure at land very good.
My main goals (in order) are:
1) Reliability
2) Customer service, tech support
3) Price per unit energy
4) Autonomy
5) Communications
6) Redundancy
7) Expandability
Positives of Apollo:
1) autonomous start on solar
2) lighter individual parts
3) more robust communications
4) 4400W/500V solar
5) cabling is straightforward
6) lighter unit parts
Positives of DPU:
1) Larger inverter 7.2W
2) Larger capacity 6 kWh
3) Dual hi/lo voltage solar
4) 450V solar on hi volts
5) single paired unit for 240V
6) cheaper per KW/kWh(?)
Currently have 12Vx235W (37.4VOC/8.3A Isc) unused at home. Could throw them on to either unit, get additional power as needed, topping off with generator. Location even has significant wind possibility.
I don't need 240 on my little building on the land but could see needing a well pump powered.
I could see needing 120V redundancy at home (1 hr) so splitting the Apollo would is a plus.
64 & capable, but the Ultra battery is over my physical lift, rolling okay.
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rcguymike
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That's with the inverters off and DC outputs off, just the unit on. They either didn't understand the question or are taking advantage of the question being vague enough to answer it in an exciting way. There are tons of YouTube tests of this already from Hobotech, jasonoid, etc. Jasonoids test ended up with 7% battery usage in 12 hours with Inverter on, at least 35W, and pretty much all power stations are known to under report when running only the inverter and/or very small loads. I wouldn't be surprised if it's closer to 50W.
sinewavepro
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The EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra has far too low of a peak power capacity for my home's inductive loads.
HighDesertOffgrid
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The market for these things should be limited to jobsites. They have found a new home with offgrid/preppers who don't speak ohm.
Brucey
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The Delta pro ultra is basically two Delta 2 pros in a single unit. So for those running off grid on two of them, it would simplify things to go with the ultra. And then if you need, a second stack.
rcguymike
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What are you running more than 10kW? also just get a 2nd or 3rd? 30kW peak on 240V
Bitcoin mining can do that.
rcguymike
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That wouldn't be a "peak power inductive" load though. You could also scale that up and down by just turning on and off miners. ?
ryanwww
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No you cannot stack coupon codes. Total price for DPU (1X inverter and 1x battery) after the pre-order coupon is $4,299 before tax.
MikeGoodman59
My bug out location north of Greensboro
HAVE HAD OFF-GRID FLOODED LEAD ACID BATTERIES SINCE 2012. ... My goal is baseline secure power for heat, refrigeration, lights. I have that with my 48V 840AH FLA system. I have 240V available but all of my loads are 120V.
What I don't have is portability.
Bottom line? I like the EcoFlow Delta Pro (pairing) system for the name brand reliability, the redundancy & "splitability" between the home and my land but the DPU does look impressive.
I'm in a good position where money is not the key factor. My system was "tens of thousands" 12 years ago and now you can get the same thing in a box for $6,000, "blood guts and feathers."
I don't mind learning, might even do a DIY system later, just want redundancy now. Trying to time things to avoid "infant mortality," avoid FOMO, while getting the best bang for the buck.
So: would I be best off with the Delta Pro pair, the DPU, or even the Hysolis Apollo 2X pairing option? IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT I'M MISSING?
Looking for a recommendation to create redundancy, expandability at home, also to take something (semi) portable an hour away so the roller cart looks good. The ability to charge my batteries through an existing 50 amp generator connection makes the DPU attractive.
1. Have they worked out all or most of the bugs of the DPU?
2. If, as someone said, the DPU is just a "Delta Pro pairing in one box," is the DPU worth the risk of lacking redundancy between the pair?
3. Is there anything else on the market that people like?
4. Is Eco-Flow reliability, name branding, customer service as good or better than anybody else's?
Things are evolving so quickly with these portable power stations, light years since I did my FLA system, that it is kind of becoming a blur, even for a retired marine engineer.
There is the growth in the industry, the efficiencies, the add-on values like communications, expandability.
What I don't have is portability.
Bottom line? I like the EcoFlow Delta Pro (pairing) system for the name brand reliability, the redundancy & "splitability" between the home and my land but the DPU does look impressive.
I'm in a good position where money is not the key factor. My system was "tens of thousands" 12 years ago and now you can get the same thing in a box for $6,000, "blood guts and feathers."
I don't mind learning, might even do a DIY system later, just want redundancy now. Trying to time things to avoid "infant mortality," avoid FOMO, while getting the best bang for the buck.
So: would I be best off with the Delta Pro pair, the DPU, or even the Hysolis Apollo 2X pairing option? IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT I'M MISSING?
Looking for a recommendation to create redundancy, expandability at home, also to take something (semi) portable an hour away so the roller cart looks good. The ability to charge my batteries through an existing 50 amp generator connection makes the DPU attractive.
1. Have they worked out all or most of the bugs of the DPU?
2. If, as someone said, the DPU is just a "Delta Pro pairing in one box," is the DPU worth the risk of lacking redundancy between the pair?
3. Is there anything else on the market that people like?
4. Is Eco-Flow reliability, name branding, customer service as good or better than anybody else's?
Things are evolving so quickly with these portable power stations, light years since I did my FLA system, that it is kind of becoming a blur, even for a retired marine engineer.
There is the growth in the industry, the efficiencies, the add-on values like communications, expandability.
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scottwstevenson
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Hey Mike,
I'll just post a link for you here (see below). My experience with EcoFlow was overall not a good one. The bottom line is that I returned almost everything I purchased (>$20k) and ended up just keeping a single EcoFlow Delta Pro (as a backup in my RV) and several 400W portable panels. I did have some isolated good customer service experiences (mainly when I had to turn to one of there higher up online representative when the normal customer service shenanigans left me hanging), but I wouldn't trust EcoFlow at all, given my experiences, for anything of great importance (e.g., like running your house electrical). I had the same idea of using my DP's for my RV when on the road and them hauling them inside to support my home, but I never even got that far, as the DP's continually stopped working
Here's a thread of my experience of about a year ago or so.
EcoFlow Delta Pro - FIVE Units Down. Something's awry here...
EcoFlow Delta Pro - Reliable, Trustworthy? I posted this is the EcoFlow FB group with minimal constructive input, so I'm turning to the veterans here. TLDR: I’ve now gone had three EcoFlow Delta Pro units go down (overload errors), all within weeks of entirely normal use (two were not even...
diysolarforum.com
Things may have changed I seemed to be an outlier in terms of the problems I had, but simply the (lack of) customer service is enough to keep me from never buying from them again. I have chatted about this (a little too late, as it was after the fact / during the latter part of the debacle) with an Uncle-in-Law of mine, a master electrician who has been in charge of installing entire building systems with high electrical demands (e.g., for the local Tesla dealership). He said he refuses to work on anything where EcoFlow was / is involved.
-S
P.S. I know it sucks to hear that b/c their system(s) seems awesome! I had a hard time giving up on them b/c of the utility of what they offer, but eventually, the mayhem and time spent was simply too much.
MikeGoodman59
My bug out location north of Greensboro
Thanks. Outstanding response and I will look at the review but I chatted with some online distributor from Seattle whose experience with EcoFlow was less than satisfying. Let's leave it at that.
For what it's worth, my stationary system at home is SMA, German engineering. Sunny Island 5048 inverter charger, Sunny Boy 3000 inverter. Customer, tech, sales support is in California. I'm guessing factories, warehouse as well. In 12 YEARS they have never treated me like anything other than a professional installer. ... ... Despite the fact that I always introduce myself as "just a guy."
If anybody else pops on to this thread, particularly anyone with experience on the Hysolis Apollo, let me know. Will did a great review on it, as did Ben (of Powered Portable Solar/Minuteman Prep). Will, Ben approach these things differently. Combined? A lot of information.
My take away from all of this is that these all-in-ones are just now "coming of age" and will shake out in the next 3 to 5 years. ...
For what it's worth, my stationary system at home is SMA, German engineering. Sunny Island 5048 inverter charger, Sunny Boy 3000 inverter. Customer, tech, sales support is in California. I'm guessing factories, warehouse as well. In 12 YEARS they have never treated me like anything other than a professional installer. ... ... Despite the fact that I always introduce myself as "just a guy."
If anybody else pops on to this thread, particularly anyone with experience on the Hysolis Apollo, let me know. Will did a great review on it, as did Ben (of Powered Portable Solar/Minuteman Prep). Will, Ben approach these things differently. Combined? A lot of information.
My take away from all of this is that these all-in-ones are just now "coming of age" and will shake out in the next 3 to 5 years. ...
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Mike,
Given what i've gone through with EcoFlow (as well as Renogy customer service, to a lesser extent), which both seem(ed) at first blush to have good reputations, I would take that kind of customer service every time, even if I would end with with a perhaps less powerful, lower capacity, more cumbersome, less ergonomic, etc. set up that works and I can quickly get working again if it breaks down.
I would agree with you as far as the all-in-ones needing some time to mature so to speak.
Good luck on your quest!
-Scott
Given what i've gone through with EcoFlow (as well as Renogy customer service, to a lesser extent), which both seem(ed) at first blush to have good reputations, I would take that kind of customer service every time, even if I would end with with a perhaps less powerful, lower capacity, more cumbersome, less ergonomic, etc. set up that works and I can quickly get working again if it breaks down.
I would agree with you as far as the all-in-ones needing some time to mature so to speak.
Good luck on your quest!
-Scott
rcguymike
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EcoFlow still sounds like they are better than average...It takes a little persistence and good documentation of issues. The private facebook groups definitely seem like a good place to post as well, they monitor it and tagging an admin usually gets a very fast response. Last year they had issues while overhauling their email/support system but if you have a case number and post to an admin you'll get a response quick. I even had a custom firmware pushed to my Delta 2 Max to fix a false overloading problem. The next official firmware broke it again but they fixed it in the next release after that. Overall I think they're still a fairly new company and they're still working through some growing pains.
MikeGoodman59
My bug out location north of Greensboro
If, as we agree, the only ones need time to mature, does that lend itself to the DIY in terms of having 2 LARGR INDIVIDUAL parts which can be isolated should trouble arise? Will P. has done a great job explaining how they go together. ... My flooded lead acid at the house, as much trouble as they are to maintain, never give me trouble as far as my system is concerned. SMA has been very reliable, even if it is less sophisticated. Great customer support.
bvlasak
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i bought the Ecoflow Ultra with 2 batteries and a Smart home 2 panel. Had the electrician at the house (free consultation provided by Ecoflow) for an estimate to install and he noted that the sh2 panel is limited to 100amps. After talking with Ecoflow support many times (kept getting conflicting information) trying to understand the the capabilities/limitations of the smart home 2 panel i have concluded that the ultra with sh2 cannot support, nor can it be upgraded to support my "entire home" 200amp panel. Support said i would have to have one ultra & sh2 for 100amps and have another complete system for the remaining 100amps thus doubling my costs to have the advertised "Whole Home Backup". If i return my $9K+ system, they will charge me about $750 in shipping and return fees. Wanted to post in case anyone has anyone ideas or sees something i may be missing.
Looking and the 18KPV with Power pro now with if i proceed with return of Ecoflow.
Summary of my needs:
200amp panel, 120 and 240 circuits
I have an electricity plan that provides free power from 8:00pm to 5:00am everyday. So my plan is to have a Hybrid system and run house off batteries during day and recharge batteries at night, No solar with initial install. Need to replace roof first. Then may add solar and/or additional batteries as needed.
my monthly average Kwh usage over last 51 months is: 1,500
any advise, comments or concerns?
Bill
Looking and the 18KPV with Power pro now with if i proceed with return of Ecoflow.
Summary of my needs:
200amp panel, 120 and 240 circuits
I have an electricity plan that provides free power from 8:00pm to 5:00am everyday. So my plan is to have a Hybrid system and run house off batteries during day and recharge batteries at night, No solar with initial install. Need to replace roof first. Then may add solar and/or additional batteries as needed.
my monthly average Kwh usage over last 51 months is: 1,500
any advise, comments or concerns?
Bill
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I think a DIY (e.g., Server rack) option can definitely work well if someone's willing to put in the efforts.
Instead of the Ecoflow DP's had intended to use in my RV, I installed a MPP Solar 6.5kW LV6548 120V/240V SPLIT PHASE inverter with a 4-2 combiner box and 3 x 5kWh SOK 48V Batteries. I didn't feel the need but I could have squeezed in another 4kWH SOK battery and matched the capacity I had with EcoFlow (DP's plus smart batteries) and still saved several thousand dollars. (The portability / versatility of the Delta Pros was what I was hoping for, i.e., to be able to use them in my house when home and in the RV when on the road...)
FYI - I did mount the LV6548 on the same rack with the SOK's which was great. (Will had mentioned that would be a simple operation in one of his videos.)
So, the DIY is pretty easy, really - there'a high cost to the ease of plug n' play - but you can get creative with portable carts etc. and essentially create the same functionality (and have a lot more fun doing so!).
sinewavepro
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The Delta Pro Ultra uses the cheapest available, high frequency inverter tech on the market. It offers a ridiculously low surge capacity and high frequency inverters offer a far lower life expectancy that heavy duty low frequency, transformer based inverters. I would never throw my money away on one of these things.
nifty-stuff.com
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I also have 200 amp panel. With a system like the Delta Pro Ultra + Smart Panel 2, I was assuming I would / could have my existing main pane with all my misc. circuits, and then have the 12 circuits in the SP2 for "critical loads".
This unit is definitely not "whole house backup", but I'm thinking my config would work for emergency use, no?
I guess in your situation you'll want to power everything from the battery to make use of the free electricity you get at night?
bvlasak
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Thanks for the reply - @nifty-stuff.com - as long as your "critical loads" don't exceed 100amp - then the Smart Home2 will work fine. I just did not like the fact i could not expand the Ecoflow system for more than 100amps. yes, looking to take maximum advantage of 'free' electric at night to charge batteries and run entire house from batteries during day. Already returned the Delta pro ultra and smart panel. Looking at the 18KPV now. Smart panel is a 'nice to have' if all circuits can be run off battery during day. So planning on keeping existing 200amp panel and routing the grid power through the 18KPV, then back to panel. will start with 1 14Kwh battery then add another and/or add solar as needed. Maybe the SPAN smart panel will work if i really want to manage/observe ar the breaker level.
bill
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rcguymike
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If you're really averaging 1500kWhs/mo that's basically 50kWhs a day... that's a ton of power. Have you tried figuring out where all that power is going and find more efficient ways to do it? Or are you charging EVs or something? If you're charging batteries at night and trying to use them during the day you're going to have a round trip efficiency of ~70-80%, and you'll probably need ~4-5 ProPower walls...
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