justinm001
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Which inverter do you have and is it pure sinewave or MSW?There is nothing on my system that is a quality compromise, it may not be what you have but it is quality.
Which inverter do you have and is it pure sinewave or MSW?There is nothing on my system that is a quality compromise, it may not be what you have but it is quality.
Sorry, you are wrong on all accounts,
and I have never charged from shore power, I have solar, I have alternator.
Everything I bought is new.
Pure sine wave inverter, 300watts is big enough as I do not try to imitate a house.
I have a 2000 victron sitting around but have never needed it.
Don't buy a bigger inverter than you actually need. Yes, a laptop or tool charger or tv or other small things work perfectly fine on 300 watts - I have propane, so no electric stove needed and I run AC on generator, fridge is DC. I almost never turn the inverter on, and when I find a 12 volt tv I probably will never turn it on. I have the same inverter in my vehicle and that is what actually charges tools and laptop. Everyone's needs are different.
MPPT, and prices were lower before bidan,
now doubled or more, thus the price difference. What a difference a little shopping around makes on prices you pay.
There is nothing on my system that is a quality compromise, it may not be what you have but it is quality.
ahh, why did I just waste my time responding....
I wish I could find deals like that around me!
I'm with you. If nothing else the cost is worth it just to get in and clean up the RV wiring a tad. LOLWhat started me down this nutty path of big blue shiny stuff was when I installed a Victron smart shunt and found this rat's nest:
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My electrical OCD just couldn't handle that. So I redid the whole system. This is what I took out:
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That rat's nest was replaced by about 10 ft of wire. Now I can look at my system and not get brain pain.
It pays to be frugal. I’m less than $10k in to 60kwh of battery, 23kw of panels, and 10kw of inverter.I just went through my system diagram and put current prices on all the kit. $6550 plus tax. Add another $450 for mounting hardwire, wires and misc. and I'm at $7k for a 1200W solar, 400Ah, 3000VA system. Then I look at my little 2500W Champion inverter generator and wonder why I just didn't get it a friend and a couple of jugs of gas. Waaaaaayyyyyyyy cheaper. C'est la vie.
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and mold, water leaks, cheap plumbing, cheap hvac, r5 insulation at best, 7mpg wherever I want to go instead of 15, 60ft of length pulling in and out of parking lots, endless propane usage.They frown on campfires. Though, have at the bed bugs. Take your black light to check for human fluids. And don't forget to check for cameras.
Add to that the cost of food and drink at restaurants. With an RV, you have your bathroom with you where ever you go, which is huge with kids and older people. Not much to do inside a motel room. With an RV, you have everything you need with you at all times, no need to drag things in and out.
you can stop now, sometimes it can be helpful to disagree, but sometimes you are just wrong when you try to second guess things and info you do not have. EPever solar controller used to be that cheap on ebay, prices have increased. Sometimes you can find really good deals on the internet, below avg prices do not mean one has bought the fake stuff, it just means one has got a really good deal, twice in this case.I don't see where.
You didn't get MPPT controllers for $21. They might say "MPPT" on them, but they aren't. Lots of fakes out there.
But the OP does need charging from shore power, so you don't have features he does.
Okay, so minimally useful.
This counts. Now you're up to what... $3K?
Exactly, and for you to pay nearly 1/3 the price of the OP for such a limited system supports my claim that you overpaid for what you have.
Just LOL.
Nope. The vast majority of recognizable name brand MPPT haven't increased, and most have decreased.
We have very different definitions of quality.
Because I struck a nerve, and you're defensive? For your original response to start with, "They saw you coming with those prices..." you really set the tone here.
You paid $2-3K for a set of tinkertoys that meets your needs and you wasted money on stuff you're not using. OP spent a reasonable price for a highly capable system that meets his needs with 50 years of reliability behind it.
I stand by my original claim. Sounds like YOU overpaid for what you have.
We had a 34 foot class A. Put 58K on it. Sure, had to fix a few things here and there, but nothing big. Never had mold or plumbing issues. Heating and cooling was never an issue. We stayed in Vegas when it was 113 in the shade, camped in the mountains when it froze over night, never an issue staying comfortable. Drove it everywhere, through NYC, cross country and back, on ferries, you name it. Only issue was the gas, yeah, that was expensive. But after being stuck in DC traffic with my little girl crying because she had to go to the bathroom, the RV was worth it.It pays to be frugal. I’m less than $10k in to 60kwh of battery, 23kw of panels, and 10kw of inverter.
Obviously panel racking is gonna kill me but one can be fairly simple/cheap too.
A pair of 3kw inverters and 4 eco-worthy batteries sets one back less than 2500 bucks. Could easily get as many panels as you can fit for under 500. That just dropped your buy in, in half
and mold, water leaks, cheap plumbing, cheap hvac, r5 insulation at best, 7mpg wherever I want to go instead of 15, 60ft of length pulling in and out of parking lots, endless propane usage.
It gets old.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d still rather “camp” but we have also rented hotel rooms so we could simply spread out as well
I can’t tell you how much money we have saved in the last 600 some odd days despite the hiccups in the processWe had a 34 foot class A. Put 58K on it. Sure, had to fix a few things here and there, but nothing big. Never had mold or plumbing issues. Heating and cooling was never an issue. We stayed in Vegas when it was 113 in the shade, camped in the mountains when it froze over night, never an issue staying comfortable. Drove it everywhere, through NYC, cross country and back, on ferries, you name it. Only issue was the gas, yeah, that was expensive. But after being stuck in DC traffic with my little girl crying because she had to go to the bathroom, the RV was worth it.
you can stop now, sometimes it can be helpful to disagree, but sometimes you are just wrong when you try to second guess things and info you do not have. EPever solar controller used to be that cheap on ebay, prices have increased. Sometimes you can find really good deals on the internet, below avg prices do not mean one has bought the fake stuff, it just means one has got a really good deal, twice in this case.
Seems the ame amp hours as he has, less panels, but I accounted for that. House charging add so very little to the price, literally you can charge the bulk with grandpas old car charger and then let the solar to the last little bit, so do not think op has it over on anyone by having the latest charging tech. I literally have solar that can keep up, and when the sun is away too long I can just connect the alt. ok, idk why you must argue. you do you and dont be sad trying to argue, there is nothing to disagree with in my post other than you dont want to believe I bought something cheaper than you did. sorry you over paid, but just suck it up and keep it to yourself and stop trying to tel everyone that their system is inferior to yours, it is not, not by a long shot.
Those green top white side Interstates are good batteries. I bought one 5 years ago as my first power outage system, to charge laptops and phones. I use it to power my BMS now.
Ditch the most solid and stable system on the market with decades of proven results for a Chinese AIO thats brand new. What's the real world idle consumption of your AIO?Ditch the blue stuff. Buy an AIO inverter controller, one affordable box to replace all the blue stuff.
Build your own battery. You obviously have the skill to design a solar system, so, build a battery.
Buy used panels from someone like Santan Solar.
I built a 48v 280Ah battery and combined with 1200wattSolar/3000InverterController for $5000 all in about 18 months ago.
I could do it again now for at least $800 less.
You have other options. Blue is great stuff, but despite the clamoring about the dangers of AIO systems, Mine had been flawless for 14 months and I have not seen waves of horror stories here or else where...
YMMV IANAL
cheers
It’s an RV…Ditch the most solid and stable system on the market with decades of proven results for a Chinese AIO thats brand new. What's the real world idle consumption of your AIO?
$5k is ok?It’s an RV…
I love the idea of tier one as much as the next guy but why people think a 7-10k system is necessary for an RV Is beyond me
There’s another reply of mine in here that showed closer to 3k should be feasible.$5k is ok?
You spent $5k on your system. Is that ok or not?There’s another reply of mine in here that showed closer to 3k should be feasible.
It’s your money not mine.
Whether something is “okay” is irrelevant.You spent $5k on your system. Is that ok or not?
Honestly, I don't care how much you spent. You seem hell bent on making sure I don't spend more than a certain amount that you determine. Not sure why. I spent $7k. You could do it for $3k. I don't want your $3k system. You don't want my $7k system. Have I given the impression that my way is better? It certainly is better for me. All chinese didn't work for my 50A system. I had a lot of kluge going on as I learned stuff. Once I went with the MPII 3000 2x120 to make the 50A install super simple, the rest just seemed to fall into place. The Cerbo is what sucked me in. I won't give that up. Makes my trailer look cool.Whether something is “okay” is irrelevant.
A lot of these discussions turn into tier 1 vs “China” and yet there are thousands of people running “China” gear with success for their entire HOUSE.
My point was, for pleasure, in MY mind, that much money for a system that one isn’t dependent on is silly.
Then again people are paying 100k for pickups now too so maybe it’s just me that has lost touch with reality.
To answer your question, it was 6 figures to bring poco to my property, was my alternative okay?
Honestly, I don't care how much you spent. You seem hell bent on making sure I don't spend more than a certain amount that you determine. Not sure why. I spent $7k. You could do it for $3k. I don't want your $3k system. You don't want my $7k system. Have I given the impression that my way is better? It certainly is better for me. All chinese didn't work for my 50A system. I had a lot of kluge going on as I learned stuff. Once I went with the MPII 3000 2x120 to make the 50A install super simple, the rest just seemed to fall into place. The Cerbo is what sucked me in. I won't give that up. Makes my trailer look cool.
It’s an RV…
I love the idea of tier one as much as the next guy but why people think a 7-10k system is necessary for an RV Is beyond me
I keep telling mine I find this stuff at the goodwill or dollar general. ….so far so good.I just tell the wife all the blue stuff is free. And that the generator kills kittens.