Youve got some good points there I cant dispute or involve topical issues I have steered clear of.
I still think the premise of him being paid is without real basis.
Youve expended the effort of a well thought out reply and that is good.
I have this bad habit of seizing upon one passage of a lengthy post when I know its something that can be proven wrong with reliable reference sources.
Working backwards well global warming is a complex issue its a mistake to assume a homogenous position amongst all republicans. Many of are unsure whats going on and despite the denials of malfeasance, climategate was a clear example of political tainting of science. (Specifically conspiring behind the scenes to black list scientists from publishing alternate views of solar variations influence.)
I found it frustrating to come up against arguments that scientists were so logical and pure their work was never approached with predetermined outcome and were free from human faults like ideology, greed, fame seeking, professional accomplishments. Climate change research by its very nature is only populated with maturing students who believe the climate is changing and man caused it. Who the hell makes their lifes work, a career of something they dont believe is happening?
Since this questions your ideology which I dont expect to change I wont push the argument (and am not questioning AGW at all) I just find it very troubling that all along the way when the science wasnt settled, nobody could see the obvious problem of what they were doing wasnt objective science at all. Fully 90% of the field, estimate, got into that research to prove mans activity was harming the planet and they silenced any dissent.
If theres a question its what is mans role because the speed of polar melting makes a change undeniable but it has not been established that solar variation (unusually high sun output over most of the latter 20th century compared to the 400 year previous average) didnt cause significant polar melt, with a resulting methane release causing residual forcing preventing the expected cooling when solar cycles decreased.
If these theories were honestly explored and not silenced by ideologues whatever is going on might be accepted.
Overshadowing this I made my position clear in the relevant thread. Its hard to take seriously the claims of gloom and doom when every alleged solution involves a robin hood economic scheme that for the near future gives developing countries the ability to pollute more and more while penalizing first world countries already working to cut back, in the premise that we must make sacrifices, as good faith gestures, that contribute to raising the living standards of developing nations.
The result so far is raising GGE total and a rise in the rate they are rising. Obviously that isnt denial if global warming but pointing out that based upon policies so far, either somebody doesnt have a clue what they are doing, or they do and mitigating climate change isnt the primary concern here and its not conspiracy theory to note this.
Hillary death squads well I dont go for most of that Clinton body count thing but I challenge any of his supporters to explain the bizarre coincidences in the death of Ron Brown, and why the media seized on the stupidest reason to not further probe the obvious. Yeah sure that wasnt a bullet hole in his skull its dumb to think theyd send an assasin on a suicide mission. So we ridicule that and forget what Brown was going to tell congress the next day would put Willy in prison, that the air force just never got around to purting black boxes in air force 2, that the only 2 bosnian technicians responsible for the calibration of the landing beacon, inexplicably committed suicide a week after the crash both for reasons unrelated to each other, or the crash, before they could be interviewed by our investigators? If thats not enough one of the suicides was by rifle to the chest!
The sole survivor of the crash a female enlisted flight attendant whose station was near the cockpit, died on the way down the hill. Not sure if that is notable.
All these things I believe are factual and amount to a tale of great interest. I dont know the Clintons personally but have read too many accounts of their cold sinister relationship with each other. I know Bill pulled so much skull duggery in office with campaign finance (all factually verifiable and not simply a right wing plot) people have killed for a lot less.
I looked at some of the other body claims a lot of silliness there.
So on the discrepencies of Ron Browns death and the utter failure of media watchdogs to expose Clinton scandals like campaign finance, chinagate, technology trsnsfers by MD and Boeing, Loral space and its owners huge payoff when Clinton allowed missile guidance tech to be shared, the Clinton Foundation, even that its now been revealed that Russian collusion by Trump was a manufactured scandal with her hands all over it- and feel free to randomly poke at anything above I can assure you theres references....
The medias failure to really expose any of the above leads me to not ridicule "hillary death squads" as conspiracy theory until the same attention is given they gave Trump over Ukraine, Russia, Jan 6, whatever.
Which leads to returning to this later with the stolen election.
The nothing to see here narrative is crumbling, the straw man defenses of Bidens supposed win (trump lost in court, election officials, some GOP, claimed no fraud) have been parroted too long.
But investigative journalists on BOTH sides tell the same story about zuckerberg buying influence, none of the underlying facts being disputed.
Those really concerned with democracy can digest it or pick it apart but lets not keep insisting theres no evidence.
For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions
time.com
Whether you like the sugar coated version your sides telling.
No conversation about election integrity is complete without understanding how Zuckerberg strategically bankrolled and staffed government election offices.
thefederalist.com
Or the uglier side revealed quite a while back and that article is just a brief summary hemmingway names names, exposes who did what where and how the money was spent-
Its really hard to take seriously anyone still saying fraud didnt happen. Anyone sharing evidence was censored and banned from zuckerbergs platform, twitter, youtube, nearly all MSM before voted were even all in.
Youve been demanding to see unicorns, why dont you look at what weve got that we found despite a coverup.
The very fact zuckerberg gave $419 million for dubious partisan causes then ordered his platform to lead a coverup of any election fraud evidence should be flashing red lights.
Are you ready to come to grips with your partys dishonesty, any of you? You didnt do it, dont take it personally.