RockOn
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yes i guess that's true - if you use all the juice you have, you didn't have to buy it so I get that.
I guess was also just thinking about draw and that the AC and Over would be pulling a lot more watts.
Duel 6000xp in parallel or new 12kpv
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I guess was also just thinking about draw and that the AC and Over would be pulling a lot more watts.
Brucey
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For 6kW capacity then a midnite Rosie plus a SCC is a possibility.
DIYrich
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12kW from two 6000xp is a lot of power. For the cost of the transfer switch, and rewiring all the circuits to the transfer switch, you could add a 3rd 6000xp, and have 18kW.
RockOn
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No cost to rewire and I got the Transfer Switches for $100 ea so I may get a 3rd at some point.
First things first is get this set-up going and if all goes well, leave the room to add 5kw of PV, another 5kw of battery, and a 3rd 6000xp maybe next summer. Should only cost ~$3,000
Then maybe I'd be 100% off grid, but feel I'd still need the ability to switch over some circuits to grid with window AC units on 24/7 in July and Aug.
Will have to see how it does once up and running.
First things first is get this set-up going and if all goes well, leave the room to add 5kw of PV, another 5kw of battery, and a 3rd 6000xp maybe next summer. Should only cost ~$3,000
Then maybe I'd be 100% off grid, but feel I'd still need the ability to switch over some circuits to grid with window AC units on 24/7 in July and Aug.
Will have to see how it does once up and running.
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I'm in the same boat as you guys. The 6000xp is what I need functionality wise as I don't need to sell anything back, in fact I just want to power a sub panel for freezers, well pump, furnace fan and a few 120V outlets for phones and computers etc if the main power goes down. I like the redundancy of having two units a lot with the way the word is going right now. The downside is it's a EG4 product and connected to SS, they ruined their rep with the way they treated people. Even if the new EG4 products are decent people take serious pause due to their past of which they still seem to have issues with.
What's the reputation for the 6000xp? Since it's a rebranded lux inverter we should be able to get that info. Didn't Will say Lux has been building them for sometime to power well pumps in South Africa? Well pumps are demanding and SA is hot.
I'm highly considering getting the MN AIO they just released but at 5k that's a chunk of change. MN does have a good rep for treating their customers with respect, returning emails, answering the phone and honoring warranty of which SS still can't seem to grasp after years of feedback. Also "the one" is bearing the MN name which has historically been know for quality. I wish it was out longer and we had more data on it. I wish MN had a 6000xp competitor built to the standards of "the one". Maybe they can call it "half a one".
What's sad is if SS had got their act together long ago this wouldn't be a hard decision.
What's the reputation for the 6000xp? Since it's a rebranded lux inverter we should be able to get that info. Didn't Will say Lux has been building them for sometime to power well pumps in South Africa? Well pumps are demanding and SA is hot.
I'm highly considering getting the MN AIO they just released but at 5k that's a chunk of change. MN does have a good rep for treating their customers with respect, returning emails, answering the phone and honoring warranty of which SS still can't seem to grasp after years of feedback. Also "the one" is bearing the MN name which has historically been know for quality. I wish it was out longer and we had more data on it. I wish MN had a 6000xp competitor built to the standards of "the one". Maybe they can call it "half a one".
What's sad is if SS had got their act together long ago this wouldn't be a hard decision.
outsider
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The Half.
I can't comment one way or another on SS as I haven't used them, but they are separate from EG4 as I understand it. And, you can buy EG4 from other retailers. Personally, I chose Current Connected and am am very happy with them. @HighTechLab (Dexter) is very active on this forum with lots of helpful advice, and I've found them to be an incredibly responsive supplier, willing to make things right if there is a problem. My EG4 equipment (three 6000xps amd three Powerpro batteries, plus a chargeverter) goes live this weekend so I can report more over time on that. But you're not forced to use a single retailer to get EG4.
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It was said long ago that the same guy that owns SS also owns EG4 base on the business filings somebody pulled up. Maybe some can confirm or deny. If I go with something current connect carries I'll probably use them unless Arizona wind a power has a better deal. Dexter has a rep here of treating his customers very well because he seems to care about them even after the sale. I guess he figured out when the customer is successful the business is successful. In fact he often ask what CC can do better...so this tell me he knows the value of free feedback.
Id still like more feedback on the 6000xp regarding durability in the field. Maybe lux can chime in since it's based off of one of their long used designs. @Luxpower_Gilbert
Where are your inverters going, do you have any concerns about bugs. The only place I have at the moment is my metal shop building and we have these dam mud daubers all over the place. I wonder if there's a way to put a screen over the holes for this inverter? That's a fail these days when the manufacture doesn't screen the holes. I'm not sure about "the one" but MN does screen rosie for mud daubers.
Curious ..what is the chargeverter for? Doesn't the inverters have built in charging from grid or gen inputs for the same?
Brucey
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The Rosie inverter/charger does have the dauber proof screens for intake and exhaust.
I believe the 18kPV may have better environmental sealing than the 6000XP.
WorldwideDave
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Poster throws out mud dauber as if we have any clue what that is.
Brucey
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mud wasp. They build out of mud and can make a hell of a mess. Painful stings as well.
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Sorry, let me make up for that!
What Is A Mud Dauber
For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'What is a mud dauber' themselves.
Initial reports have been very good. If you want more data, only time will supply that. How long do you wish to wait?
Not much. Dedicated mechanical room off the garage. Well insulated, with 90 min fire door.
You also asked, "Curious ..what is the chargeverter for? Doesn't the inverters have built in charging from grid or gen inputs for the same?" (Quote thing didn't work on edit). The 6000XP definitely has gen input, but they advise that it be very large, with very clean power, and that's not cheap. The chargeverter let me use a rather large (10KW), very cheap ($1200 on sale) generator, and produce very clean power. I can recharge 42KWH of batteries in about 4-5 hours with two of them running off that one generator, which beats the heck out of hearing even a quiet smaller, cleaner generator for 8-12 hours (for me, anyway). Top-ups before a big storm, etc., rewuire even less time, of course.
No earthly idea. The EG4 equipment appears to be solidly built and they offer it through multiple retailers. Good enough for me, but you may have different criteria. Best of luck whatever you decide to do.
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So, @Will Prowse did a video on the 6000xp and if recollection serves correct I believe he said lux has been using design in South Africa for a long time with success to start well pumps. I was hoping lux could provide this data and expand on the durability and reliability they have seen. I was planning on starting heavy loads like well pumps and maybe my furnace fan.
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Bananaman321
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The 12kpv is a clear winner in my book you have a lower idol consumption the hybrid functionality allows the grid to assist in the load and you have the same surge capacity as the 18kpv
I have the 18kpv powering my property right now the 12kpv was not available at the time of purchase if it was I would have want that route because I could get two of them for $2100 more and have double the surge capacity + redundancy
Hope this helps
This? I think there are other posts too.
SunGoldPower and EG4 Inverters made by the same company??
I was watching one of many Youtube videos regarding solar power. There is a lot to learn about all of the equipment and I am trying to pick out a decent Hybrid Inverter. The guy in the video mentioned that he believed that the SunGoldPower and EG4 units were made by the same company and...
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Quattrohead
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At the moment it's more a case of how long are you willing to wait because the 6000 XP is on backorder until possibly September and I'm not sure if the 12kepv is too much for your particular needs.
The luxpower units have been phenomenal, total opposite of the latter voltronics units.
The luxpower units have been phenomenal, total opposite of the latter voltronics units.
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The last part of your statement is interesting as that's exactly what I was thinking..just another rebranded voltronics with the poor surge, poor reliability and flickering lights and clocks having issues. I'll do some searching here to see more people impressions running them. Lux should be able though to at least respond and get us some data. What intrigued me was the price point and Will said they were used or designed to start well pumps.
Thanks Quattro!
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May I ask why you'd just not go with a midnite "the one" which is just a little more if you were going to get a 12kpv? Just curious!
Thanks Bananaman!
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James, is the owner of Signature Solar and EG4.
He started out with SS, as a vendor for many different solar products/manufacturers (similar still today).
The EG4 brand began with the GILL batteries that he was selling.
Now rebranded as the EG4 Lifepower4 server rack batteries.
Then he moved into the EG4 rebranded Voltronics AIOs.
the 3000 was a good one, but the 6000EX and 6500EX were not.
Somewhere around this time, he created the EG4 business entity. (Probably for tax and liability reasons)
Then came the rebranded Megarevo, which was a disaster.
The current offerings are made by Luxpower, which is a much better product.
The 6kxp is a solid product. And people are having good results from the gimmicky named others.
If I missed anything, I'm sure that someone will fill in the gaps.
He started out with SS, as a vendor for many different solar products/manufacturers (similar still today).
The EG4 brand began with the GILL batteries that he was selling.
Now rebranded as the EG4 Lifepower4 server rack batteries.
Then he moved into the EG4 rebranded Voltronics AIOs.
the 3000 was a good one, but the 6000EX and 6500EX were not.
Somewhere around this time, he created the EG4 business entity. (Probably for tax and liability reasons)
Then came the rebranded Megarevo, which was a disaster.
The current offerings are made by Luxpower, which is a much better product.
The 6kxp is a solid product. And people are having good results from the gimmicky named others.
If I missed anything, I'm sure that someone will fill in the gaps.
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This? I think there are other post too.
SunGoldPower and EG4 Inverters made by the same company??
I was watching one of many Youtube videos regarding solar power. There is a lot to learn about all of the equipment and I am trying to pick out a decent Hybrid Inverter. The guy in the video mentioned that he believed that the SunGoldPower and EG4 units were made by the same company and...
This is what concerns me...If James can't run SS like a proper company then why is EG4 any different. Honest question and one that should be asked when spending a lot of money with a company. Warranty, replacements..will they even have in stock replacements. Even if I use Current Connect Dexter is still relying on James.
Bananaman321
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I thought the choice was between the 6000ex and the 12kpv I didn't know we had more choices I haven't really looked into the midnight solar one but I do have experience with the 18KPV
My next inverter that I'm going to use as an ev charge station is going to be this NHX model
$2200
10kw continuous hybrid
2 Load outputs
4 x 4kw 14a pv inputs 15kw max
<75w idle consumption
5 year warranty through watts247
at that price I,d buy 2 and have a spare to reduce downtime in the event there was an issue.
ksmithaz1
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Tim doesn't like the way they named the higher end inverters?
Quattrohead
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Signature Solar took off big time during you know what, James is a young chap in the right place at the right time, I'm sure it was over whelming and people just weren't around to work.
The voltronics inverters where great until things went wrong, SS got screwed by them.
Fortunately they found the Luxpower units that have been fantastic, minus some early software issues.
Dexter at CC is his own man, he doesn't rely on anyone.
ksmithaz1
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This thing actually looks interesting. At this point I probably would not drop out of the EG4 ecosystem, but we are seeing a lot more options these days. I'd be curious how this bad boy would handle starting my HVAC, that to me is the biggest achilles heel on these units. Even in parallel they can fall over if you hit them too hard all at once. I just wish they would go on up to 50A (12KW) with these things. I really think 100A with two units would pretty much handle an all-electric home with no difficulty. I've found the EV is a big wrench in the gears I'm working thru now.I thought the choice was between the 6000ex and the 12kpv I didn't know we had more choices I haven't really looked into the midnight solar one but I do have experience with the 18KPV
My next inverter that I'm going to use as an ev charge station is going to be this NHX model
$2200
10kw continuous hybrid
2 Load outputs
4 x 4kw 14a pv inputs 15kw max
<75w idle consumption
5 year warranty through watts247
at that price I,d buy 2 and have a spare to reduce downtime in the event there was an issue.
I for one would never dedicate an inverter for an EV, but 10KW should be about where you would need to be. Let us know how this thing performs.
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