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NH fuse in parallel?? aka NH knife blade fuse aka DIN NH blade fuse

gG is not the dual rating for ac and dc but instead shows the tripping curve. gG is for standart uses, gL is slow-fast (sounds stupid but means that it is slow for low overcurrents and very fast for higher ones)
A proper NH glove costs ~35€ here in germany, for your 24V system a simple NH grip would be more than enough. The glove is there to protect you when you pull an NH fuse in the grid with 230/400V incase there is an arc flash.
can you explain the gG vs the gL more for the tripping curve???
what would be the better one...???
It seems most of the ones I have purchased say gG on them...
again >>> a super thanks for all your informative replies....
 
As I am ordering NH compatible Siemens fuse bases it is still hard to tell what the size is, but the Siemens 355 Amp NH3-gG fuse fits the larger size base perfectly....
the fuse is being utilized as the catastrophe fuse in case of a major short to hopefully protect the inverter....
at least that is the intended application for my off-grid solar use...
here I have a picture of the large 355Amp fuse partially inserted into the fuse base...
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They do fit, physically, but NH3 fuse holders (like the 3NH3430) have 2 brackets on either connector to carry the higher currents.
(Here is the NH2 for comparison: 3NH3330)
 
can you explain the gG vs the gL more for the tripping curve???
what would be the better one...???
It seems most of the ones I have purchased say gG on them...
again >>> a super thanks for all your informative replies....
I've read a bit more, so gL is an old curve (for cables) replaced by gG (for general purpose).
The first g is for "general purpose", there could also be an a for "accompanied fuse")
the second letters could be:
G - general purpose
M - electric motors
R - semiconductor protection
B - mining
Tr - transformers

I am going to look into gR fuses for my system for long term as they are very very fast tripping to protect semiconductors (the inverter i.e.) against shorts or overloads.
For high voltage dc systems (PV systems) there are also gPV fuses for 1000Vdc / 1500Vdc
 
I ordered some DC-rated PV 1100-volt 160 Amp NH fuses and they were totally huge >>> super long; >>> so what I thought was a good price ,,,, I ended up having to order the extra long fuse holder of that same brand ..... waiting on them now.... I will post pictures of them later when they arrive next week???
but still only slightly more than 26 dollars delivered ((for the fuse and fuse holder.....))
the class t fuse prices have gone sky high with the current inflation...(January 2024) in the USA.
😎😎
 
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They do fit, physically, but NH3 fuse holders (like the 3NH3430) have 2 brackets on either connector to carry the higher currents.
(Here is the NH2 for comparison: 3NH3330)
I bought 3 of the italweber fuse holders and they have two of the retaining clips on each side but are so tight I am not sure how to put a fuse into them...but perhaps they are designed for a slightly different fuse....????

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these have some sort of electrical relay which i do not need but the fuse base has the two clips on each side???
the electrical relay part can be taken off as it is attached by a screw...
 
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italweber with relay pic

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perhaps >>once the ital weber fuse base is securely mounted the fuse would be insertable with a lot of force???
or else it needs only italweber fuses to fit it correctly???

the grow light gives the photos a reddish color... in my photos
 
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While paralleling fuses can be done, it is not usually recommended. I saw this question answered a while back on here, and somebody demonstrated how the failure of a single fuse can create problems with the others.
 
I bought 3 of the italweber fuse holders and they have two of the retaining clips on each side but are so tight I am not sure how to put a fuse into them...but perhaps they are designed for a slightly different fuse....????

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these have some sort of electrical relay which i do not need but the fuse base has the two clips on each side???
the electrical relay part can be taken off as it is attached by a screw...
It is on purpose that the clamps have such a tight grip, those 4 "tiny" clamps need to be low resistance enough to handle currents of up to I think it 3000A (3000A on a tenth Ohm of resistance would be 300W of heat on the terminals)
Those relay are for fuses with a special pin that comes out when the fuse is blown to enable remote monitoring or shutdowns once a fuse is blown
 
Whats you String Voltage that you chose the Siba PV fuse? The normal "small" NH00 from siemens can already handle 250Vdc if I remember correctly
 
Just as a sidenote, before buying anything else, please show me what you want to buy and what you want to do with it so that I can tell you if its the right thing or not ;)
 
I plan to utilize the NH fuse-links between the high amp lifepo4 battery and the inverters...
I thought the PV fuses would be a step up in protection in case of catastrophe....

the price of class T fuses and fuse holders has increased significantly in the past year....
I was reading that the NH fuses are better (ie they do not explode ) at least the idea is to improve the system's safety...

I have 3200-watt inverters, 5000-watt inverters, and up to 15000-watt inverters hooked to 4 separate lifepo4 battery builds....
I also have some prebuilt lifepo4 batteries ...

at any rate, the primary purpose is to utilize the NH fuse between the inverters and the lifepo4 batteries...

The DC disconnect is another part I still need to improve in the system...
all is done off-grid with no connection to the grid....
more later, 😎
 
While paralleling fuses can be done, it is not usually recommended. I saw this question answered a while back on here, and somebody demonstrated how the failure of a single fuse can create problems with the others.
I would like to read that discussion of paralleling fuses if you can provide the source...
right now I am not paralleling them,,,, but still researching that...
 
Just as a sidenote, before buying anything else, please show me what you want to buy and what you want to do with it so that I can tell you if its the right thing or not ;)
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NV 2 C
NH 2 C
250A gL/ gG
this one seems to have a indicator of some sort (the fuse base is 8 inches long)

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so if it has an indicator??? if it pops out that would mean the fuse is blown....

I have a 24-volt inverter running a 5000-watt load (sometimes) and use 4/0 cables between the LifePO4 battery and the inverter
5000 watts divide by 25.6 volts(nominal voltage) = 195.31 amps
fuse factor increase of 1.25 times
so 195.31 times 1.25 equals 244.14 amp fuse size
so I am thinking a 250 amp fuse is the correct size for a 5000-watt inverter load...
the catastrophe fuse is to protect the inverter..... hopefully
 
the 3200-watt 24-volt inverter: calculates out to needing 156.25 Amp fuse so a 160 Amp fuse should be about right.

3200 watts divided by 25.6 volts equals 125 amps
125 amps times 1.25 fuse size increase factor equals 156.25 Amps

the 15000-watt inverter is 48-volt.
so 15000 watts divided by 53.2 volts equals 281.95 Amps
281.95 Amps times 1.25 fuse size factor increase equals 352.44 Amps
I have 355 amp and 400 amp NH fuses... so either of those should work for the 15000-watt 48-volt inverter...

still trying to understand the fuse jargon better to get the right fuse for the different parts of the system...

DC-rated disconnects are still to be determined for better quality/ reliability.... still working on that part...separate from the fuse part. 🤔
the sun was out in good force yesterday (January 27th,2024)and production was good for PV with a little snow melting at 36 degrees Fahrenheit...😎
with improving outside temperatures >>> I was working on the support shelf for the larger LiFePO4 in the off-grid solar power shed....a heat wave compared to 20-30 degrees below zero Fahrenheit with wind chill a week before!!!
 
I have Siemens 80 amp NH and 160 amp NH fuses as well..
I have triple fuse holders if I want to try paralleling any fuse for the smaller fuses. but have not tried that yet...

the smallest inverter is a 1500-watt 24-volt inverter.
so 1500 watts divided by 25.6 volts equals 58.59 Amps
53.59 amps time 1.25 fuse size increase factor equals 73.24 Amps >>>
so the 80 Amp NH Fuse would be right for the 1500-watt 24-volt inverter.
🤔
 
more than one inverter can be connected to each LiFePO4 DIY battery....
each inverter will be fused separately....
usually no more than two inverters on any battery at the moment....
smaller inverter for smaller loads
bigger inverters for bigger loads on a bigger battery
NH fuse is the upgrade partially....
 
I plan to utilize the NH fuse-links between the high amp lifepo4 battery and the inverters...
I thought the PV fuses would be a step up in protection in case of catastrophe....

the price of class T fuses and fuse holders has increased significantly in the past year....
I was reading that the NH fuses are better (ie they do not explode ) at least the idea is to improve the system's safety...

I have 3200-watt inverters, 5000-watt inverters, and up to 15000-watt inverters hooked to 4 separate lifepo4 battery builds....
I also have some prebuilt lifepo4 batteries ...

at any rate, the primary purpose is to utilize the NH fuse between the inverters and the lifepo4 batteries...

The DC disconnect is another part I still need to improve in the system...
all is done off-grid with no connection to the grid....
more later, 😎
Remote DC disconnect? Or just a manual disconnect?
 
I would like to read that discussion of paralleling fuses if you can provide the source...
right now I am not paralleling them,,,, but still researching that...
Paralleling fuses is not the best idea as no 2 fuses have exactly the same resistance, so you always have a fuse carrying a higher current than the other one, meaning one will fail more likely. Then there will be an additional amount of time it takes for the second fuse to blow, which leads to a higher total energy in a possible short circuit and therefore probably more destruction/damages
 
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NV 2 C
NH 2 C
250A gL/ gG
this one seems to have a indicator of some sort (the fuse base is 8 inches long)

View attachment 191785
so if it has an indicator??? if it pops out that would mean the fuse is blown....
Yes, the red tab on top is the indicator that the fuse has blown. On that ETI fuse you also have the red dot on the front, if its blown the rered dot will disappear
 
the 3200-watt 24-volt inverter: calculates out to needing 156.25 Amp fuse so a 160 Amp fuse should be about right.

3200 watts divided by 25.6 volts equals 125 amps
125 amps times 1.25 fuse size increase factor equals 156.25 Amps

the 15000-watt inverter is 48-volt.
so 15000 watts divided by 53.2 volts equals 281.95 Amps
281.95 Amps times 1.25 fuse size factor increase equals 352.44 Amps
I have 355 amp and 400 amp NH fuses... so either of those should work for the 15000-watt 48-volt inverter...

still trying to understand the fuse jargon better to get the right fuse for the different parts of the system...

DC-rated disconnects are still to be determined for better quality/ reliability.... still working on that part...separate from the fuse part. 🤔
the sun was out in good force yesterday (January 27th,2024)and production was good for PV with a little snow melting at 36 degrees Fahrenheit...😎
with improving outside temperatures >>> I was working on the support shelf for the larger LiFePO4 in the off-grid solar power shed....a heat wave compared to 20-30 degrees below zero Fahrenheit with wind chill a week before!!!
You dont calculate with the acutal voltages (25.6V) but instead with 24V or 48V to have some security
 
DC-rated disconnects are still to be determined for better quality/ reliability.... still working on that part...separate from the fuse part. 🤔
If there is no need for remote switching then I would recommend using NH-Switches, here is one for a single NH2 fuse i.e.
It takes one NH fuse (either NH1 or NH2) up to 400A. You can use it as fuse base and DC disconnect switch
 

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