timselectric
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YesUnless your an Office building.. It would be perfect timing
That would be commercial production.
YesUnless your an Office building.. It would be perfect timing
I am the producer and the end user.Problem is if your demand does not follow generation you end up with a lot of excess unused capacity. It's a shame to not put that to good use.
That's a fantastic deal. I would love to get something similar. The Connection charges look fair, imho.In my location (Nevada USA) I earn a 92% kWh "credit" on power which I put in (rather than earning dollars). For new installations, this has been reduced to about 87%, but I received a higher rate because I installed several years ago, when they wanted to provide more encouragement for home Solar.
No business can buy retail and sell retail. The power company is a business.
PV solar wholesales in the USA for about 3-4 cents/kwh.
If you don't like selling cheap to them stop selling. If you don't like buying from them stop buying. You know how.
The basic price per watt doesn't tell the whole story. There are still fees to maintain the grid plus the minimum monthly hookup charges. Also the state still gets to collect tax from me for every watt I put to the grid.Here in northern Arkansas I'm paying $.10 and being paid $.10 ...sounds like you are getting bent over.
No business can buy retail and sell retail. The power company is a business.
PV solar wholesales in the USA for about 3-4 cents/kwh.
If you don't like selling cheap to them stop selling. If you don't like buying from them stop buying. You know how.
It would be interesting for sure.True but ... what would PG&E be paying per kWh between say 2:00 PM and 4:00 PM if all PV producers reached up and pulled their knife switch at the same time?
I would like us to do that - let PG&E and PUC discover the true value of the power we've been putting into the grid. Then they can pay us accordingly.
Ditto for oregon. It's all politically driven.Here in northern Arkansas I'm paying $.10 and being paid $.10 ...sounds like you are getting bent over.
2 to 4? Doubt they care. 6 to 10 is a bigger issue and not much to cut as the sun goes down.True but ... what would PG&E be paying per kWh between say 2:00 PM and 4:00 PM if all PV producers reached up and pulled their knife switch at the same time?
I would like us to do that - let PG&E and PUC discover the true value of the power we've been putting into the grid. Then they can pay us accordingly.
In Australia wholesale energy generation costs make up 32% of the retail cost of electricity.The reality though is the utility has an energy cost and a distribution cost, and the distribution cost has started to eclipse the energy cost in many places.
Cost of supplying electricity to households (Australia 2020-21)
Network/transmission: 45%
Wholesale generation: 32%
Environmental: 10%
Retail costs: 10%
Retail margin: 3%
Source: https://www.accc.gov.au/
2 to 4? Doubt they care. 6 to 10 is a bigger issue and not much to cut as the sun goes down.
Reality is the knife switch cuts every single day at sundown and the lights stay on (mostly). SCE super off-peak rates now include 2pm to 4pm as there is a surplus of solar generated electricity.
if you separate actual demand from generation that is correct. The issue is that rooftop solar only shows up as net demand. By the time my generation gets back to the nearest substation it has been used by all my neighbors and the substation only sees the net of local solar and consumption. That also true of solar farms but they report their production to the System Operator and that is the only data the System Operator sees. If the utilities had better information systems and could report the sum of individual meters that were generating separately from the sum of meters that were consuming the data would be more useful but the net result would be the same.The duck's back curve has a higher head in the evening, even though total demand is lower, because PV production has dropped off by then. The greatest demand for peaker plant generation would be earlier in the day if
if you separate actual demand from generation that is correct. The issue is that rooftop solar only shows up as net demand.
My point was that the data does not include the demand from my neighbors because their demand is neutralized or offset by my generation..The curves show "demand" and "net demand" peaking at 8:00 PM, which I don't believe.
I agree that is what is happening.There is some increased demand in the evening as consumers arrive home, turn on A/C, later lights.
But commercial/industrial demand is all day long, with increasing A/C in the afternoon. Occupied homes afternoon A/C too.
I know enough about data gathering to agree that the method of measurement has some inaccuracies that does not give us a true picture of real demand because it does not collect data about rooftop generation. I do trust the concept that NET is a mathematical difference between two numbers.The Duck's Back curve is a lie, used to justify the claim value of PV is zero, even negative.
It is only the last kWh that isn't needed, that on occasion a neighboring state was actually paid to take.
The bulk of the kWh delivered by PV are highly valuable, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Which is the problem - power generators enjoy the profits they get burning natural gas to make electricity, which PV has severely cut into.
ISO is probably complicit in the lie
in IL (USA) we get credit for everything we use. use 20kw/day, supply 20kw/sunhrs = zero bill. (well zero supply bill, there is still delivery fees and meter fees etc) the effect is I sell back at my current consumption rate. If I use 20kw and supply 24kw my monthly bill says I have a 4kw "credit" That credit carries over. It is never turned into a check that is paid to me. So i get paid $0.00? for extra? however I have the opertunity to use that credit at any time in the future..... 2 weeks of grey snowy days in winter?
I separated this quote because I wanted to point out that since deregulation in California 20 years ago the "power generators" are different from the public utilities and Investor Owned Utilities. The IOUs we're required to sell off their generation and generation is performed by profit making entities that sell into the market. That is the same process with Solar Farms and Wind Farms. So not all power generators are fossil fuel and in fact State policy favors solar generation so fossil fuel generators are at a disadvantage when the wind blows or sun shines. This is because fossil fuel cannot compete with wind and solar both on price and because State policy favors renewable generation.power generators enjoy the profits they get burning natural gas to make electricity, which PV has severely cut into.
I believe it when the lights go off. Whether that is actually 7PM or 9PM doe not matter to me. That is not Enron gaming the system. It was unfortunate that the CAISO was brand new when Enron showed up with their market gaming strategies.The curves show "demand" and "net demand" peaking at 8:00 PM, which I don't believe.