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Which all in one system has the fewest software issues?

I think it's important to identify your desired outcome before you start. Next figure out how much power you need, then figure out how you want to connect it to your existing or new wiring infrastructure. That really defines the type of equipment you are going to want. Victron might indeed be the best answer if everything in your system needs to be elastic, and distributed around. If you just need a simple expandable system not connected to the grid driving a sub-panel, the AIO design is tough to beat. If the one you buy turns out to be junk, there are 5 other brands you can get that will do almost exactly the same thing, you can use as a drop-in replacement. For example, if you bought a growatt 3K decided you need something larger, you could literally rip it off the wall and cable up an EG4 or MP Solar or Power Mir or ... Since they all work basically the same, you have an appliance, and if it's cheap enough, you could just buy 2 if you were paranoid.
 
ksmithaz1 said:
I think it's important to identify your desired outcome before you start.
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I agree. I had an Outback Skybox which had very few software issues and was very reliable. However there were features that I wanted and that was an outcome that was important enough for me to change to a SolArk.
 
ricardocello said:
Great All-in-One from a hardware value perspective. I'm considering one for an outbuilding.

This is what bothers me. With Victron, I can totally ignore VRM and disconnect my internet completely, and everything still works great.
I can totally reconfigure without the internet at all.

I'm not sure I want EG4 servers in the middle of my monitoring. As long as everything can work without it, including configuration, I'm fine.

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You do have the option to monitor only with Solar Assistant and do all your configuration from the LCD screen. For myself, I use both on occasion as Solar Assistant does allow you to change some of the settings remotely, but not every configuration option on the inverter is available through SA.
 
zanydroid said:
I am not 100% sure modifying from SA is safe as a general rule. I believe Marcus from EG4 said on some models SA uses unsupported APIs
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I'm not sure if that's true or not, but it has never caused me any issues, other than that some of the configuration options in SA are not applicable to my inverter (6000xp). Other than that, changing the applicable ones works just fine.
 
Using Solar Assistant to change settings is no different than using the front screen. As long as you have a product that is compatible (according to Solar Assistant) , there should be no issue.
Some manufacturers or sellers would rather you use their monitoring services. Which is perfectly understandable. But they shouldn't use scare tactics to discourage customers from using what they want.
 
timselectric said:
Using Solar Assistant to change settings is no different than using the front screen. As long as you have a product that is compatible (according to Solar Assistant) , there should be no issue.
Some manufacturers or sellers would rather you use their monitoring services. Which is perfectly understandable. But they shouldn't use scare tactics to discourage customers from using what they want.
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It’s theoretically conceivable if the screen input is properly tested, while the SA path uses engineering APIs that are for testing or whatever and not hardened for field use.

It’s hard to verify without some independent testing. Since that doesn’t exist I don’t really know whether EG4 side has the burden of proof. (That factoid was tossed out in the same thread where folks brought up that a lot of EG4 inverters lack protection on their comms board, so there’s plenty of brick root causes to spread around)
 
zanydroid said:
It’s theoretically conceivable if the screen input is properly tested, while the SA path uses engineering APIs that are for testing or whatever and not hardened for field use.

It’s hard to verify without some independent testing. Since that doesn’t exist I don’t really know whether EG4 side has the burden of proof. (That factoid was tossed out in the same thread where folks brought up that a lot of EG4 inverters lack protection on their comms board, so there’s plenty of brick root causes to spread around)
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I'll just say that I have never seen anyone post that Solar Assistant damaged their equipment. I don't even see how it could. It only requests changes to settings that already exist. It doesn't force the equipment to do anything that it wasn't designed to do.
 
timselectric said:
I'll just say that I have never seen anyone post that Solar Assistant damaged their equipment. I don't even see how it could. It only requests changes to settings that already exist. It doesn't force the equipment to do anything that it wasn't designed to do.
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Lol, kinds like raspberry, damaging comm boards in inverters and support/warranty..
Only EG4 /SS Comes up with crap like this
 
timselectric said:
I'll just say that I have never seen anyone post that Solar Assistant damaged their equipment. I don't even see how it could. It only requests changes to settings that already exist. It doesn't force the equipment to do anything that it wasn't designed to do.
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The hidden / engineering APIs could have race conditions in updating the state that gives the config state a stroke.

How likely this will be to permanently brick things, and in a way that a hard factory reset won't fix, is a good question.

houseofancients said:
Lol, kinds like raspberry, damaging comm boards in inverters and support/warranty..
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It's totally believable for a Raspberry on a random non-isolated supply bought from Amazon to blow up an unprotected comms board. I don't know who's the asshole with moral / legal responsibility here -- SA, EG4, the company, or the noob DIYer. The asshole score probably has to be allocated in percentages across the board.
 
Donny Hucklebuck said:
I am in the same boat, I seems like not only solar AIO systems have firmware issues but everything else made today like cars, appliances, and all computers. I currently have a 12v system with 2 charge controllers one 2000w inverter and 2 200ah batteries. It all works without any connection to internet. I would like to step up to 48v with the new 6000xp. I think I will wait it out till the shit hits the fan. It seems like all of the newer AIO’s are obsolete in two years. I am thinking instead getting 2 Victron cc, Samplex inverter and a SOK rack battery without communication . Just keep it simple.
if the internet goes down who knows it could brick all systems that connect I think we are headed for some strange times very soon
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Have you come across the Blue Mesh network... dumb may end up being the new smart...
 
Danke said:
I understand. I guess my hope would be if I bought a good quality product I wouldn’t run into future bugs. Ie. The bugs would have been worked out before they shipped the product.
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Right...
This is why 10 year old Tesla's still receive updates..
Or my wife's 2014 vw gets new software every service.

You're living an illusion my friend
 
No issues here with my SP 6548 from Sungold Power when it comes to the inverter and batteries. No firmware updates needed. The only thing I don't like is the monitoring software they suggest. I use Multisibcontrol which is much better and free as well. The only thing you need is the two cables to go to the computer, one from the inverter and the other from battery 1.
 
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Rocketman said:
Victron does not have an AIO unit. It has separate components so you can build it and expand it how you want. - it also costs more.

But they do a very good job with software updates!!! And it just works.
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To put together a Victron system of MPPT, distributor, shunt, 6kva inverter for off grid, cost me approx $9k AUD. For 1.5k I can get a mpp solar AIO 6kva.

I also had a Victron mppt blow up causing a fire. I do believe Victron is bloody good stuff, but it too has it's problems and failures. Just saying.
 
bds70 said:
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To put together a Victron system of MPPT, distributor, shunt, 6kva inverter for off grid, cost me approx $9k AUD. For 1.5k I can get a mpp solar AIO 6kva.

I also had a Victron mppt blow up causing a fire. I do believe Victron is bloody good stuff, but it too has it's problems and failures. Just saying.
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What caused the MPPT to blow up may I ask... ?
 
bds70 said:
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To put together a Victron system of MPPT, distributor, shunt, 6kva inverter for off grid, cost me approx $9k AUD. For 1.5k I can get a mpp solar AIO 6kva.

I also had a Victron mppt blow up causing a fire. I do believe Victron is bloody good stuff, but it too has it's problems and failures. Just saying.
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Danke said:
If your AIO works out of the box, is there a reason to do a firmware update? I don’t plan on connecting my system to the Internet.
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No. I asked SRNE about updating my ASF to the latest version and they said there was no reason to if everything was working. My wifi dongle is still in the box somewhere... AIO has never phoned home.
I've been 100% fine with minimal adjustments through SA and all through the LCD, nearly 2 MWh with 0 major issues.
 
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