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Leaking Electrolyte from Bigbattery Powerblock

I would also like for someone to take the cover off to see if the extinguisher is actually there if it doesn't void the warranty. There could be reasons why Big Battery doesn't note this as being a feature.

On my units there is a void / warranty sticker on the seal for the front cover. I suspect it would void the warranty . . .
 
I have no clue how I should respond to that one lol yikes


It is incredibly hard to manufacture LiFePO4 here in the states. People do not realize how far ahead china really is at manufacturing lately. Even if you have a few billion dollars in your pocket, china has dominated and invented the manufacturing methods. That is why even Tesla motors has a partnership with CATL. Even telsa cannot compete with china when it comes to LiFePO4.

Geez, I don't have any deductions besides tools and my car because I hate spending money. I do not deduct my lunches like some people do, or trips. I try to save every penny I can, or pay down my house. I really hate spending my money. I know I could find ways to create deductions, but the amount I have to pay doesn't make it worth it. In my opinion.
You should be able to deduct a percentage of your house (shop) and the scissor lift. You have to calculate the percentage of use and the square footage of the shop. This is why I would also claim one of your bedrooms as a dedicated office for the business.
 
You should be able to deduct a percentage of your house (shop) and the scissor lift. You have to calculate the percentage of use and the square footage of the shop. This is why I would also claim one of your bedrooms as a dedicated office for the business.
All the tools and other hardware/materials you buy are deductible, too (including any equipment you buy to destroy or your solar trailer).
 
You should be able to deduct a percentage of your house (shop) and the scissor lift. You have to calculate the percentage of use and the square footage of the shop. This is why I would also claim one of your bedrooms as a dedicated office for the business.

May or may not want to allocate house to business use, as there is special tax treatment for sale of principal residence. Have to predict the future to know what is best.

HOA fees are something that can only be deducted if business use. For a property where fees are high, turning the property into a rental lets them be deductible, along with all the other expenses. All while taking standard deduction instead of itemizing. So where neighboring properties are identical, if you and your neighbor both become landlords (and tenants) to each other, may be advantageous.
 
You should be able to deduct a percentage of your house (shop) and the scissor lift. You have to calculate the percentage of use and the square footage of the shop. This is why I would also claim one of your bedrooms as a dedicated office for the business.
Oh right, I did that. It isn't a very large deduction unfortunately. I deduct everything. But I owe 278K for last year, so all of these deductions are peanuts in comparison. And any extra money I make goes into investments. I am pulling money from investments just to pay last years tax bills. Hopefully this will get my family out of poverty for a few generations if I use this money effectively.
 
I have a great tax guy and deduct every little thing that goes through my business account, but it doesn't even scratch how much I owe.
 
I traded my cash for crypto. I only have $200 in cash right now besides tax bill and investments lol. I am actually studying investment strategies and also have a well known financial advisor. I think I have everything setup as best as I can. I am still quite ignorant on the topic though, but I am studying as much as possible.
 
I'm hoping you didn't have much more than $200 when you converted. Currencies are volatile. Crypto-currencies make currencies look like the bond market.

Good luck.
 
I'm hoping you didn't have much more than $200 when you converted. Currencies are volatile. Crypto-currencies make currencies look like the bond market.

Good luck.
Indeed, very true. And no, I am doing higher risk crypto holdings now that I have substantial equity and other investments. I am being careful but I do not mind the volatility. My ex girlfriend is a day trader and I am extremely conservative, investment wise, compared to her haha. I will be ok. I don't sell unless I profit.
 
Might be worth keeping an eye on this thread. More reports of leaking cells ... not BB.

 
Might be worth keeping an eye on this thread. More reports of leaking cells ... not BB.

That would make sense, it's not like Big Battery is going to order the extra-leaky cells. Their design might benefit from a few tweaks (what design doesn't?) but I think it's more likely a battery supplier problem. I would worry more about any particular battery company being around to service your XX year warranty. Not being critical of BB, lots of businesses go under eventually. For instance I have a lifetime warranty on my car paint job.. the old owner was in business 30 years, sold the business, and the new guy went under a year later.

In our favor, an easily serviceable design like BB uses would make it easy to drop in new cells with the latest technology and capacity, even if they can't or won't service your dead battery.
 
OH god this has become a complete novel, the photos from @SethRR look nasty, i would be very upset if i received that in my house.... and the CEO answers (And their behavior from the beginning) are a textbook example of how not solve a crisis.
First Rule of Business: Accept No Liability
 
Quote from the following article on quality testing Lithium batteries.

"Depending on cell type, five percent or more of the lithium-ion cells currently produced for the auto industry may have undetected leaks."


It sounds like INFICON has developed a non-destructive testing process to capture quality issues on prismatic, cylindrical and pouch cells. They published a SAE technical paper on the process. https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2020-01-0448/

@MrGreen might want to have his team review and see if they could benefit from the process.

Another article with some more details on the process.
 
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Quote from the following article on quality testing Lithium batteries.

"Depending on cell type, five percent or more of the lithium-ion cells currently produced for the auto industry may have undetected leaks."


It sounds like INFICON has developed a non-destructive testing process to capture quality issues on prismatic, cylindrical and pouch cells. They published a SAE technical paper on the process. https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2020-01-0448/

@MrGreen might want to have his team review and see if they could benefit from the process.

Or they can just warranty the battery if a cell leaks I suppose.

I'm starting to think the ABS plastic case is the way to go. Especially if you have a mobile or "creative" mounting situation. The metal cases are probably more susceptible to leaking out the hazardous electrolyte. SOK has a plastic case coming next month, Battleborne, Lion Energy, Renogy, AmpereTime, etc are all ABS or some form of plastic.

With the sealed cases you would never know it was leaking. I wonder if Battleborn or Lion Energy warranty returns have had any leaking cells?
 
With the sealed cases you would never know it was leaking. I wonder if Battleborn or Lion Energy warranty returns have had any leaking cells?
Battle Born does not use prismatic cells.
120 cylinderical stainless steel batteries.
 
At this point we do not know where the leak is coming from, I.E. from the safety vent? from damaged body of the cell?, BB has some batteries (about 10 of them?) that leak in their warehouse, they also receive the bad pack from Seth. I would think by now BB can do the failure analyzis on its own 10 batteries that leaked and tell us what they find.
 
More than likely, it is coming from the over pressure relief valve.

The evidence we currently have is that Big battery themselves found 11 leaky cells in their inventory, I had a leaky cell, and Seth possibly had a leaky cell. That is 13 cells in a single batch, and all were lishen cells.

I think it might be the supplier at this point. Bigbattery has a lot of people working their quality control, and they use good equipment. So I am starting to think it was the cell supplier.

Because bigbattery also has their own issue of leaking cells, I am guessing that we cannot blame their shipping company. These cells are leaking before they leave bigbattery.

At this point, I am thinking the problem is Lishen cells. What do you guys think?
 
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