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Sol-Ark needs a serious Change!

I hate to say this about anyone but this just sounds like they are just attempting a scare tactic to protect their bottom line. And if they did do it, there would be potential legal repercussions regardless of IP issues IMHO. Especially if they did it without notice or warning OR without clearly stating they did it with legally backed reasons as to why, they will be in a world of problems. In this case, the user of X product didn't sign any such exclusivity agreement with regards to where they can use the product they purchased.

Furthermore, they are NOT exclusive in the USA. They are one of the 3 agents that Deye has in the US. This is coming from Deye directly, it's not hearsay.

I have not seen a Deye fail yet (of installations I know of).....
Since the CEO of Sol-Ark has personally come on the forum and categorically stated in writing that the IP belongs to Sol-Ark and that they let Deye use the IP in the Asian Market, I am going to go with that one until someone in management at DEYE disputes that claim. Deye having three agents in the USA means nothing as they have a wide range of other products that might fall under their own IP.

I am not quiet sure why people have a hard time believing that Sol-Ark owns the IP? This tactic is something that the Chinese do over and over to other US companies. The products end up over on Amazon, Alliexpress and eBay. You see an Item from an American company that has several knock of versions coming out of China, all of them for half the price and are of very low build quality and Zero warranty.

Most companies have to make their products in China and it's pretty hard to stop a communist regime from breaking agreements.

BTW this might not be just a scare tactic from Sol-Ark. They definitely seem to be the ones in complete control of the firmware for the unit. As for legal issues, if the CEO of Sol-Ark is telling the truth then they own the IP and would have a legal right to shutdown copies that are sold illegally. I get riled by this crap not because of Sol-Ark but because I have had my own IP stolen and used in the same way by a Chinese manufacturer.
 
We recently installed a new Sol-Ark 12k EMP controlling 32x400 watt Q-Cell Panels. During the finalization of the setup and building a plant, we couldn't get the Sol-Ark to communicate with the monitoring servers through our wired home network. A phone call to tech support was interrupted when I had an epiphany and thought to ask where these monitoring servers are located. I informed the technician that if the monitoring servers are based in China, Russia, Iran, North Korea or any country that is unfriendly with the United States, our router will intentionally block those IP addresses on all inbound and outbound traffic. The tech took a long pause and told us to "hold-on"..... when he returned he admitted that the monitoring servers are in China. The Phone app also uses Chinese servers.

The #1 existential threat to the United States, especially our power grid, is China. Giving China the ability to monitor the solar power production of Sol-Ark systems here in the United States is grossly irresponsible. Needless to say that I'm disappointed that a "Veteran Owned" company would not consider the implications of this corporate decision.

Sure, I could just use the system unmonitored - which is what we are doing in the interim while we await the power(s) that be at Sol-Ark to pull their heads out of the sand.

Spending the additional premium to purchase an EMP hardened Sol-Ark system seems a bit untoward to then give control of the same system to the #1 country that might choose to use an EMP device against the United States in the future.

Before you folks decide to jump in here and start telling me that I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, just know that those Chinese servers can be used by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to change your setup, flash your firmware to render your system inoperative, or possibly make it completely unsafe. Give that some thought.

I've written a letter last week to the CEO of Sol-Ark and received no response. More people need to call and write them to have the monitoring server and services brought back onto and into the United States.

Oh, and before you assume that your non-Sol-Ark brand inverter is safely monitored in the USA or the EU, you might want to check to see where the monitoring servers are located before you just assume.
I have put the word out to people, Sol-Ark said they are working on changing their servers. Pretty poor decision if you ask me.
 
Since the CEO of Sol-Ark has personally come on the forum and categorically stated in writing that the IP belongs to Sol-Ark and that they let Deye use the IP in the Asian Market, I am going to go with that one until someone in management at DEYE disputes that claim. Deye having three agents in the USA means nothing as they have a wide range of other products that might fall under their own IP.

I am not quiet sure why people have a hard time believing that Sol-Ark owns the IP? This tactic is something that the Chinese do over and over to other US companies. The products end up over on Amazon, Alliexpress and eBay. You see an Item from an American company that has several knock of versions coming out of China, all of them for half the price and are of very low build quality and Zero warranty.

Most companies have to make their products in China and it's pretty hard to stop a communist regime from breaking agreements.

BTW this might not be just a scare tactic from Sol-Ark. They definitely seem to be the ones in complete control of the firmware for the unit. As for legal issues, if the CEO of Sol-Ark is telling the truth then they own the IP and would have a legal right to shutdown copies that are sold illegally. I get riled by this crap not because of Sol-Ark but because I have had my own IP stolen and used in the same way by a Chinese manufacturer.
robby, you are too string up on what has been said by sol-ark, they are simply trying to protect their sales.

as for the IP..
You are aware you can look that up ?

please do so, and tell us what you find
 
We recently installed a new Sol-Ark 12k EMP controlling 32x400 watt Q-Cell Panels. During the finalization of the setup and building a plant, we couldn't get the Sol-Ark to communicate with the monitoring servers through our wired home network. A phone call to tech support was interrupted when I had an epiphany and thought to ask where these monitoring servers are located. I informed the technician that if the monitoring servers are based in China, Russia, Iran, North Korea or any country that is unfriendly with the United States, our router will intentionally block those IP addresses on all inbound and outbound traffic. The tech took a long pause and told us to "hold-on"..... when he returned he admitted that the monitoring servers are in China. The Phone app also uses Chinese servers.

The #1 existential threat to the United States, especially our power grid, is China. Giving China the ability to monitor the solar power production of Sol-Ark systems here in the United States is grossly irresponsible. Needless to say that I'm disappointed that a "Veteran Owned" company would not consider the implications of this corporate decision.

Sure, I could just use the system unmonitored - which is what we are doing in the interim while we await the power(s) that be at Sol-Ark to pull their heads out of the sand.

Spending the additional premium to purchase an EMP hardened Sol-Ark system seems a bit untoward to then give control of the same system to the #1 country that might choose to use an EMP device against the United States in the future.

Before you folks decide to jump in here and start telling me that I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, just know that those Chinese servers can be used by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to change your setup, flash your firmware to render your system inoperative, or possibly make it completely unsafe. Give that some thought.

I've written a letter last week to the CEO of Sol-Ark and received no response. More people need to call and write them to have the monitoring server and services brought back onto and into the United States.

Oh, and before you assume that your non-Sol-Ark brand inverter is safely monitored in the USA or the EU, you might want to check to see where the monitoring servers are located before you just assume.
Just spoke with Sol-Ark, the units are build in China. Testing and programming is done by Sol-Ark, they do plan to move manufacturing out of china, but no time line has been set. I am bummed out about this, for the price I thought I was American made, they gotta be make a killing on these units using China.
 
robby, you are too string up on what has been said by sol-ark, they are simply trying to protect their sales.

as for the IP..
You are aware you can look that up ?

please do so, and tell us what you find
It is well known that China dosen't honor Patents, so they would have no legal recourse.
 
robby, you are too string up on what has been said by sol-ark, they are simply trying to protect their sales.

as for the IP..
You are aware you can look that up ?

please do so, and tell us what you find
Will you be so kind to publish with a link?
 
robby, you are too string up on what has been said by sol-ark, they are simply trying to protect their sales.

as for the IP..
You are aware you can look that up ?

please do so, and tell us what you find
Please save me the time and link in the owner of the IP.

When I use the Wayback machine and look at Sol-Arks Website for April 2018 I see this is what they are selling as their 8K unit.
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When I go to DEYE website for OCTOBER 2018 this is the 8K model they are selling:

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It's not until late 2019 that I see the SG-8K-G01 appear and that is the model with the same look and specs as the Sol-Ark 8K.
 
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This situation with SolArk /Deye has been going on so long (several decades) that it boggles my mind that people still find it surprising. It just shows you how little people pay attention to what is going on around them. I get the fact that it upsets people when they "learn" about this, because it bothers me too. Anyone old enough to remember the early TV days when Curtis-Mathes was a big deal might remember the shock and outrage when people began to discover that their super expensive "American made TV" was actually Japanese components brought in and stuffed into a wooden box here in the States. Intel and others have been doing kind of thing that for what, 40-50 years now?

It is a natural progression of economics that as various countries develop their manufacturing capabilities, they trade with each other, and contribute what they have to that scenario. It could be cheap labor, capital, technology, raw materials, etc. And that has been going on forever.

What is more disturbing (IMHO) is that especially in the US, we are so focused on acquiring goods and services that everything comes down to making a profit. Money. Money Money. Don't worry about homelessness, drug addiction, lack of critical life and job skills, retirement funds, staying healthy, etc...just Make America Great Again. How? Meanwhile, instead of making inverters here in the US, SolArk went to a Chinese company (Deye) and worked with them. Why? Because people here want lots of crap, and they want it cheap. In spite of the massive amount of information floating around the world on the internet, we really are not very well informed as a society. Who are the sources of information? How do you vet that information? Or, do you just believe what you choose to believe, or what your friends say? That is what most people do.

Meanwhile, the gap between the haves, and the have-nots is growing incredibly fast. No one in Washington is doing squat about the real issues, because we just keep buying into the same old line of crap, and we throw things away when they fail to work. And as long as that continues, other countries will continue to supply us with what we truly want...cheap goods. When Japanese-made products became so good that people clamored for them, I recall being surprised that my employer (Japanese) was sub-contracting our work to Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. And no one in the US knew it. I worked in the same industry with a company that made most of its products here in the US, but they started doing the same thing, and having them made in Korea. They just didn't tell people. One of my best friends nearly had a heart attack when he discovered that his $10,000 "US Made" amplifiers were made in China. And so it goes on......

So back to the topic of EMP: if you are worried that it will hit your solar equipment, how well are you prepared for foodstuffs, water, hygiene, weapons, water filtration, medications, decontamination supplies, etc? Do you have spare circuits boards in a Faraday cage to repair your car, radios, phones, or what-ever devices? Do you actually know how to repair any of those things?

It bothers the crap out of me that we continue to rail against isolated issues like the SolArk/Deye scenario while blindly ignoring the behavioral issues that are the root cause. One of the greatest minds of our time (Noam Chomsky) contends that it is one of the greatest misconceptions of our "democracy" that we are free to express ourselves and our opinions. But it is simply window dressing to keep us placated while the reality is that it is getting much, much worse. My apologies to Noam if I have garbled his message.

So what can you do about it? Learn. Get out and make a diffrence. Demand action. Boycott companies who don't pay taxes here, and ship all our jobs overseas while making billions and billions in profits. Or just go watch TV.
 
This situation with SolArk /Deye has been going on so long (several decades) that it boggles my mind that people still find it surprising. It just shows you how little people pay attention to what is going on around them. I get the fact that it upsets people when they "learn" about this, because it bothers me too. Anyone old enough to remember the early TV days when Curtis-Mathes was a big deal might remember the shock and outrage when people began to discover that their super expensive "American made TV" was actually Japanese components brought in and stuffed into a wooden box here in the States. Intel and others have been doing kind of thing that for what, 40-50 years now?

It is a natural progression of economics that as various countries develop their manufacturing capabilities, they trade with each other, and contribute what they have to that scenario. It could be cheap labor, capital, technology, raw materials, etc. And that has been going on forever.

What is more disturbing (IMHO) is that especially in the US, we are so focused on acquiring goods and services that everything comes down to making a profit. Money. Money Money. Don't worry about homelessness, drug addiction, lack of critical life and job skills, retirement funds, staying healthy, etc...just Make America Great Again. How? Meanwhile, instead of making inverters here in the US, SolArk went to a Chinese company (Deye) and worked with them. Why? Because people here want lots of crap, and they want it cheap. In spite of the massive amount of information floating around the world on the internet, we really are not very well informed as a society. Who are the sources of information? How do you vet that information? Or, do you just believe what you choose to believe, or what your friends say? That is what most people do.

Meanwhile, the gap between the haves, and the have-nots is growing incredibly fast. No one in Washington is doing squat about the real issues, because we just keep buying into the same old line of crap, and we throw things away when they fail to work. And as long as that continues, other countries will continue to supply us with what we truly want...cheap goods. When Japanese-made products became so good that people clamored for them, I recall being surprised that my employer (Japanese) was sub-contracting our work to Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. And no one in the US knew it. I worked in the same industry with a company that made most of its products here in the US, but they started doing the same thing, and having them made in Korea. They just didn't tell people. One of my best friends nearly had a heart attack when he discovered that his $10,000 "US Made" amplifiers were made in China. And so it goes on......

So back to the topic of EMP: if you are worried that it will hit your solar equipment, how well are you prepared for foodstuffs, water, hygiene, weapons, water filtration, medications, decontamination supplies, etc? Do you have spare circuits boards in a Faraday cage to repair your car, radios, phones, or what-ever devices? Do you actually know how to repair any of those things?

It bothers the crap out of me that we continue to rail against isolated issues like the SolArk/Deye scenario while blindly ignoring the behavioral issues that are the root cause. One of the greatest minds of our time (Noam Chomsky) contends that it is one of the greatest misconceptions of our "democracy" that we are free to express ourselves and our opinions. But it is simply window dressing to keep us placated while the reality is that it is getting much, much worse. My apologies to Noam if I have garbled his message.

So what can you do about it? Learn. Get out and make a diffrence. Demand action. Boycott companies who don't pay taxes here, and ship all our jobs overseas while making billions and billions in profits. Or just go watch TV.
What does this have to do with the IP?
I get what your saying and I agree that it's a stupid argument. I don't see people criticizing owners of iPhones and iPads asking them why they bought this Apple phone which is really a Chinese phone for $1000 when they could get an almost identical looking domestic Chinese phone on eBay for $350.

BTW Sol-Ark and Deye have not even been around for a decade so I don't think a several decade dispute has been raging. If they have been around it certainly was not in the consumer solar inverter market or they changed their names around 2017.

And lastly action has already been taken. Sol-Ark has built a factory in Texas to manufacture the inverters there. I still suspect that the inverter boards will be made in China or Taiwan as you just cannot beat the quality and cost of PCB's made in those countries.
 
Please save me the time and link in the owner of the IP.

When I use the Wayback machine and look at Sol-Arks Website for April 2018 I see this is what they are selling as their 8K unit.
View attachment 62668

When I go to DEYE website for OCTOBER 2018 this is the 8K model they are selling:

View attachment 62669

It's not until late 2019 that I see the SG-8K-G01 appear and that is the model with the same look and specs as the Sol-Ark 8K.
you are aware you posted the on-grid 8k model of deye ?
do yourself a favor..
search for sun gtil and gtil2.
that is the mother of all of these.
company was based out of hongkong, owned by a guy named keith, and bought by deye.
deye brought out gtil2 , keith as a part of his deal started sunsynk, and kept developping the thing...

do sone serious research man
 
Since the CEO of Sol-Ark has personally come on the forum and categorically stated in writing that the IP belongs to Sol-Ark and that they let Deye use the IP in the Asian Market, I am going to go with that one until someone in management at DEYE disputes that claim. Deye having three agents in the USA means nothing as they have a wide range of other products that might fall under their own IP.

I am not quiet sure why people have a hard time believing that Sol-Ark owns the IP? This tactic is something that the Chinese do over and over to other US companies. The products end up over on Amazon, Alliexpress and eBay. You see an Item from an American company that has several knock of versions coming out of China, all of them for half the price and are of very low build quality and Zero warranty.

Most companies have to make their products in China and it's pretty hard to stop a communist regime from breaking agreements.

BTW this might not be just a scare tactic from Sol-Ark. They definitely seem to be the ones in complete control of the firmware for the unit. As for legal issues, if the CEO of Sol-Ark is telling the truth then they own the IP and would have a legal right to shutdown copies that are sold illegally. I get riled by this crap not because of Sol-Ark but because I have had my own IP stolen and used in the same way by a Chinese manufacturer.

What makes you think Sol-Ark has complete control of firmware or IP? Do you have any proof besides a message from Sol-Ark?

Otherwise, you are starting to sound like a Russian troll spreading disinformation and propaganda.
 
This situation with SolArk /Deye has been going on so long (several decades) that it boggles my mind that people still find it surprising. It just shows you how little people pay attention to what is going on around them. I get the fact that it upsets people when they "learn" about this, because it bothers me too. Anyone old enough to remember the early TV days when Curtis-Mathes was a big deal might remember the shock and outrage when people began to discover that their super expensive "American made TV" was actually Japanese components brought in and stuffed into a wooden box here in the States. Intel and others have been doing kind of thing that for what, 40-50 years now?

It is a natural progression of economics that as various countries develop their manufacturing capabilities, they trade with each other, and contribute what they have to that scenario. It could be cheap labor, capital, technology, raw materials, etc. And that has been going on forever.

What is more disturbing (IMHO) is that especially in the US, we are so focused on acquiring goods and services that everything comes down to making a profit. Money. Money Money. Don't worry about homelessness, drug addiction, lack of critical life and job skills, retirement funds, staying healthy, etc...just Make America Great Again. How? Meanwhile, instead of making inverters here in the US, SolArk went to a Chinese company (Deye) and worked with them. Why? Because people here want lots of crap, and they want it cheap. In spite of the massive amount of information floating around the world on the internet, we really are not very well informed as a society. Who are the sources of information? How do you vet that information? Or, do you just believe what you choose to believe, or what your friends say? That is what most people do.

Meanwhile, the gap between the haves, and the have-nots is growing incredibly fast. No one in Washington is doing squat about the real issues, because we just keep buying into the same old line of crap, and we throw things away when they fail to work. And as long as that continues, other countries will continue to supply us with what we truly want...cheap goods. When Japanese-made products became so good that people clamored for them, I recall being surprised that my employer (Japanese) was sub-contracting our work to Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. And no one in the US knew it. I worked in the same industry with a company that made most of its products here in the US, but they started doing the same thing, and having them made in Korea. They just didn't tell people. One of my best friends nearly had a heart attack when he discovered that his $10,000 "US Made" amplifiers were made in China. And so it goes on......

So back to the topic of EMP: if you are worried that it will hit your solar equipment, how well are you prepared for foodstuffs, water, hygiene, weapons, water filtration, medications, decontamination supplies, etc? Do you have spare circuits boards in a Faraday cage to repair your car, radios, phones, or what-ever devices? Do you actually know how to repair any of those things?

It bothers the crap out of me that we continue to rail against isolated issues like the SolArk/Deye scenario while blindly ignoring the behavioral issues that are the root cause. One of the greatest minds of our time (Noam Chomsky) contends that it is one of the greatest misconceptions of our "democracy" that we are free to express ourselves and our opinions. But it is simply window dressing to keep us placated while the reality is that it is getting much, much worse. My apologies to Noam if I have garbled his message.

So what can you do about it? Learn. Get out and make a diffrence. Demand action. Boycott companies who don't pay taxes here, and ship all our jobs overseas while making billions and billions in profits. Or just go watch TV.
Point taken, but you have overlooked the fact that they cleverly crafted the wording on their site to lead you to believe that it was american made, it is American designed, tested and the software is american made. Fronius suffered the same backlash when the German people found out it was build in china, they moved the plant back to Germany. Like most people I thought the high price matched the fact it was American made.
 
you are aware you posted the on-grid 8k model of deye ?
As far as I can tell DEYE does not even have an Internet Presence until late 2018 and the Inverters they offered are all Grid Tie inverters all the way through until late 2019 early 2020. So please show me the Hybrid Inverter they had in 2018 because I can clearly see on Sol-Arks website a Hybrid model in April 2018. BTW still waiting for the proof that DEYE owns the IP.
do yourself a favor..
search for sun gtil and gtil2.
that is the mother of all of these.
Really! This is the mother of the Sol-Ark Inverter, I must be missing something because all I get on a search is this tiny Inverter that is very crappily made. It is still being sold today by several companies.
SunGTil2.jpg

company was based out of hongkong, owned by a guy named keith, and bought by deye.
deye brought out gtil2 , keith as a part of his deal started sunsynk, and kept developping the thing...

do sone serious research man
I have done research and everything I come across says that DEYE is the one who makes Sunsynk inverters. I have personally played with a SunSynk H-inverter and it is the same inverter as the DEYE 8K H-inverter that was on the wall next to it, the only difference was the name on the front. If I remember correctly the SunSynk even said on the side label it was made by DEYE. Looking at Sunsynk website it was just a webpage place holder in 2018 and 2019, they did not release their inverter until the same time DEYE did in 2020! So if Keith made it for DEYE then we once again come back to the question of where is the 8K DEYE or Keith Hybrid Inverter of 2018 when Sol-Ark was showing off theirs? I cannot find a picture or mention of the Deye Clone until 2020.
 
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P.s tom brennan has 5 patents....none for anything he invented, none for solar products...portable power llc or portable solar llc has no patents listed....also there are no patents associated with the sol-ark name
 
What makes you think Sol-Ark has complete control of firmware or IP? Do you have any proof besides a message from Sol-Ark?

Otherwise, you are starting to sound like a Russian troll spreading disinformation and propaganda.
Take a look at the Sol-Ark firmware and compare it to what DEYE is using. Sol-Arks has new features in it that Deye does not have. If you watched the Sol-Ark Webinars they gave timelines for certain brands of BMS integration and they did exactly what they said. Deye has not had those same integrations done to their firmware, so it's pretty obvious that Sol-Ark is no longer sharing updates with them.
 
P.s tom brennan has 5 patents....none for anything he invented, none for solar products...portable power llc or portable solar llc has no patents listed....also there are no patents associated with the sol-ark name
Sol-Ark is not the companies LLC name but I also could find nothing under the companies real name. There is also nothing under the DEYE name. That does not mean anything as sometimes Patents used by companies are put under the name of the major share holder and his name may not be publicly known. Evidently @houseofancients has the info but is not willing to produce it.
 
Take a look at the Sol-Ark firmware and compare it to what DEYE is using. Sol-Arks has new features in it that Deye does not have. If you watched the Sol-Ark Webinars they gave timelines for certain brands of BMS integration and they did exactly what they said. Deye has not had those same integrations done to their firmware, so it's pretty obvious that Sol-Ark is no longer sharing updates with them.
Have you literally looked at both firmware code?
 
So back to the topic of EMP: if you are worried that it will hit your solar equipment, how well are you prepared for foodstuffs, water, hygiene, weapons, water filtration, medications, decontamination supplies, etc? Do you have spare circuits boards in a Faraday cage to repair your car, radios, phones, or what-ever devices? Do you actually know how to repair any of those things?
Food stuffs: 4 years worth stored + hunting and gardening.. $400 worth of heirloom seeds packed in Mylar in the deep freezer.

Water: I'm in Michigan, water isn't a problem.

Hygiene: 5 to 6 years worth of soaps, shampoos, women's stuff, etc.

Weapons: Do you think we're really going to need weapons? Isn't everyone just going to work together and help each other?

Medications: Enough antibiotics for about three dozen full course treatments + general first aid and some trauma stuff. We keep vitamins and supplements packed in Mylar and we have some other stuff as well.

Decontamination Supplies: Isn't that just soap and water? We do have a radiological meter.. (AN UDR 13) We're a long way from any nuclear facilities and an all out nuclear war isn't on the table. No leader is that stupid.

Yes, we have spare laptops (Panasonic Toughbooks CF31) in a 140db Faraday cage, as well as a dozen handheld 2 meter HAM radios an HF radio, antenna tuners, SDR dongles, etc. . We keep spare IP Cameras, spare routers, multiple types of battery chargers, multimeters, electronic medical devices, USB sticks with libraries, night vision and thermal equipment, LED replacement bulbs, etc.. Phones will be useless. We even keep spare rectifiers and capacitors for the generators as well as a Radian 8048 inverter, 5 kW worth of solar panels, and Flexmax charge controllers.

Our house is outfitted with a 1 nanosecond response Siemens FS140 surge protector as well.

We're basically one step away from an underground bunker.. problem is, bunkers are only good for fire, radiation and extreme weather events.. other than that, they're not good for much else.

We're on borrowed time, between the idiot democrats and the idiot republicans fighting each other, no one is paying attention to what's important.. and there is no fixing it.. I agree with everything you said in that long (but good) post.
 
Really! This is the mother of Sol-Ark Inverter, I must be missing something because all I get on a search is this tiny Inverter that is very crappily made. It is still being sold today by several companies.
I kinda resent the “crappily made” comment. I’ve been using 2 of the GTIL2S for 3 years. They only come in 1kw and 2kw models. That might be why they don’t look as beefy but show me any other grid tie inverter under 2kw that’s made better? Also the GTIL2s only cost $400. You get your money’s worth
 
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