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Mini Split A/C Power Consumption?

Ahh.
A ventilation fan. If that is what it is, and they are noisy, sure change them. I'm unaware of any more efficient design.
There are also "whole house fans" which blow air from the house into the attic at high CFM rates. Those are belt driven and due to the high velocity are really noisy.

The ventilation fans can use ECM motors for variable speed control and motorized louvers rather than gravity dampers which will reduce noise some.
 
There are also "whole house fans" which blow air from the house into the attic at high CFM rates. Those are belt driven and due to the high velocity are really noisy.
They are not all that way. There are direct drive (also noisy) and remote mounted, lower CFM, quiet versions (with electric doors)
The ventilation fans can use ECM motors for variable speed control and motorized louvers rather than gravity dampers which will reduce noise some.
You've been using the term "ECM motor" quite a lot, so I had to do the googles.
It's basically a 3 phase motor with controller. Possibly the controller are integrated into the same housing.
I'm amazed the HVAC industry is so far behind that these are still high tech. Also, WTF! Why did the give them a fancy (confusing) name?
 
They are not all that way. There are direct drive (also noisy) and remote mounted, lower CFM, quiet versions (with electric doors)

You've been using the term "ECM motor" quite a lot, so I had to do the googles.
It's basically a 3 phase motor with controller. Possibly the controller are integrated into the same housing.
I'm amazed the HVAC industry is so far behind that these are still high tech. Also, WTF! Why did the give them a fancy (confusing) name?
Yeah, ECM is basically a vrf controller integrated to the motor body.
Proprietary of course...
Two basic varieties. X13 "constant torque" option speed choice motors.
AND true variable speed motors that have a programmable curve of airflow based on system loads.
 
If you have central air/heat with the AHU located in the garage, you can remove the AHU front panel, open whatever window(s) in your house, turn on AHU fan and place a plastic garbage bag over the return grill(s). Outside temp garage air will be sucked into the AHU, filtered, run through the ducts, and blown out the open window(s).
 
If you have central air/heat with the AHU located in the garage, you can remove the AHU front panel, open whatever window(s) in your house, turn on AHU fan and place a plastic garbage bag over the return grill(s). Outside temp garage air will be sucked into the AHU, filtered, run through the ducts, and blown out the open window(s).
... unlikely to filter the air with the ahu panels off...
 
and retired couples would keep it 85 degrees or more inside
This is because elderly people usually have poor blood circulation to the extremities. They suffer greatly in cold winters and that is why so many of them retire to Florida, southern Texas, southern Arizona or southern California. Long ago in Riverside I saw numerous old folks who would sit indoors, in 100+ degree summer days, with the AC completely shut off.

we pay 39 cents and 45 cents between 4pm and 9pm. welcome to california.!
Welcome to PG&E's torture chamber. Last year they managed to talk the state PUC into allowing them to slowly increase residential electric rates, because "Oh dear, well you know, we just came out of a terrible terrible bankruptcy and we just NEED better profit margins to survive" blah blah. This is a corporation that went bankrupt because it was literally found guilty of murdering 86 people in Paradise in 2017. Several of the worst NorCal fires in the past five years were started by faulty PG&E equipment, or trees they failed to trim falling onto their transmission lines. Oh, I could tell you so many horror stories. Sometimes I seriously wonder if they are bribing state government regulators to look the other way.

Best/worst of all, PG&E management goes on to run other electric utilities--into the ground.

The rest of the nation is just waiting for them to break off and sink into the ocean. Then we can stop hearing about all of their silliness. And product packaging can be reduced without the California disclaimers.
Ha ha ha, don't kid yourself. That "silliness" has been extremely contagious for the past 50+ years.
 
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39 cents, peak 45 cents. in my last bill, it said there was a $35. increase in rates, compared to last year!! we are still paying for the construction of Diablo Canyon Nuke. Soon we will start paying for the dismantling of Diablo.
Just like SDG&E and SCE will be paying for the decomississioning of S.O.N.G.S. 2&3 for the next 5 decades. ...finished my apprenticeship there while it was still under construction. I think peak for SDG&E is 49 cents. Folks here in my region that think they are immune from high rates might be in for a rude awakening. Right now a lot of our power here is coal fired. Coal just lost a lot of popularity with the passage of the IRA. That's what I mean about the nation following California in this case. That's why I'm making the moves I'm making.
The rest of the nation is just waiting for them to break off and sink into the ocean. Then we can stop hearing about all of their silliness.
Silliness eh? Where ya from, N.C? Tx? Yeah I think there's plenty of silliness spread out all over the country these days.
 
They are not all that way. There are direct drive (also noisy) and remote mounted, lower CFM, quiet versions (with electric doors)

You've been using the term "ECM motor" quite a lot, so I had to do the googles.
It's basically a 3 phase motor with controller. Possibly the controller are integrated into the same housing.
I'm amazed the HVAC industry is so far behind that these are still high tech. Also, WTF! Why did the give them a fancy (confusing) name?
If only vs motors didn't cost 3x as much to replace, are more prone to condensate pulloff damage, not normally stocked.
 
It's basically a 3 phase motor with controller. Possibly the controller are integrated into the same housing.
I'm amazed the HVAC industry is so far behind that these are still high tech. Also, WTF! Why did the give them a fancy (confusing) name?
There is a little more to them than that. The motors are brushless, direct current designs, and allow for direct drive in many applications where it was traditionally not viable. Specific to the heating ventilation and air conditioning industry, they essentially integrate a variable frequency drive and enough smarts that they can do proportional, integral, and derrivative control algorithms internally, so if you have a 0-10 volt or 5-20 milli-amp sensor you don't need any further smarts to control them.

The motors themselves are more efficient, and adding the benefits of direct drive is an added win.

[not using acronyms and abbreviations is hard.]
 
... unlikely to filter the air with the ahu panels off...
Vertical Trane/American Standard AHU supported by made on job site, 2x4 and duct board, plenum. Return air is drawn into plenum below the AHU. Air then flows through the filter, coil, blower and past the heat strips at top of AHU. Removing the filter access panel and blocking off the return air grills will have the air coming in through the removed access panel hole, through the filter, coil, blower and past the heat strips. Other than having the AHU in the attic or a closet, this is the only way I have ever seen air to air heat pumps installed in FL. This idea would also work if the AHU was in the attic. The intake air would probably be hotter and removing the filter access panel, possibly daily, would be a pain in the ass. I have a direct drive whole house fan with shutters, but quit using it after I came up with the AHU idea about 15 or 20 years ago.
 
Around here the filter is located in the return ductwork, ahead of the AHU. It's basically a slot that the filter slides into. The only removable panels are after the filter. But, I have removed the cover for the fan assembly. Bypassed the safety switch. And placed a filter over the opening.
 
Is it still? When I visit family in St. Louis I barely see any coal trains any more. It used to be 2 or 3 3-4 mile long trains per day passing through; I haven't seen any my last few trips back.
This from the google machine;
"In 2021, coal reclaimed the top spot as the leading fuel used to generate electricity in Arkansas and accounted for 35% of the state's total electricity net generation."

So northeast Arkansas makes a lot of steel and that takes a lot of power. We've been doing a lot of fracking in the last few years so natural gas is making a play but that's also not gaining popularity under the IRA either.

Not seeing coal trains in St. Louis doesn't mean much in Arkansas. Believe it or not we have the better coal right here inside the state.
 
I guess that answers my question about their cost effectiveness, probly a lot more cost efective to add an extra panel.
Yes, unless you do hvac for a living, split hp systems above 16 SEER can be very expensive up front and to repair, even under the 10 yr part warranty.
 
Yes, unless you do hvac for a living, split hp systems above 16 SEER can be very expensive up front and to repair, even under the 10 yr part warranty.
We just went through a really bad heat wave and a buddy in the next town over was having trouble with his a/c blower on his outdoor package unit not coming on when when it called for cooling. He could hear the compressor kick in but the fan wouldn't start. So he called the local hvac professional and they came out to troubleshoot the problem. When the service tech arrived mu buddy Mike says to him, "I think that control board is bad. I've heard they have issues." The tech made note and went out to check the unit. He returns in about 20 minutes and says "Yup. That's the problem. I'll get one ordered for you."
2 weeks later he appears at the door with the $320 board and Mike sends him out to do the repair. 30 minutes later Mike is chilling in nice cool air conditioning and is happy as can be.
3 days later the problem rears its ugly head again and Mike gets mad and starts tapping on the thermostat with his note taking pencil and voilà the unit starts right up! He calls me and tells me what just took place and I suggest he just tape the pencil to a string tied off to the thermostat for future repairing but he's determined to call the a/c tech back. $250 later once again he's chilling under cold air.
ALL a/c repair is expensive!
 
As a master auto tech and therefore one form of highly trained diagnostician, i think it's more accurate to say all MISDIAGNOSIS is expensive.

But it's hard to tell who is least likely to misdiagnose because 'if you have to ask' someone to come do something for you, it often means you don't know enough about the subject to judge the competency of the people you hire. It's a bit of a crapshoot unless you've got a strong referral to an individual human being. Even when you call a 'good company' you don't know which of their technicians is going to pull your job and show up.

It's just tough. We all try, nobody's perfect, but many of the horror stories actually come down a misdiagnosis leading to a lot of wasted time and dollars, not anything intrinsic to the equipment/technology.

Almost all the residential HVAC work i've ever done was because an hvac professional came out (to my parents, usually!) and said something that logically made no sense, leading me to dig in and diagnose the stuff myself. If i wasn't already strong on HVAC and electrical principles from my automotive career, i would have bought their lines just like anyone else. I would still be lost on a lot of the electrical portion of an inverter-driven mini-split if i didn't have good service documentation to read from, so i'm lucky to have a great friend working in HVAC to call on for backup when stuff goes over my head.
 
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