Unboxing of Deye 16K Hybrid Inverter

[houseofancients]

 

[eethon]

you can either do that relay based, or so that in your panel after the inverter ( when only load port is connected to your panel )

Strange they don't include the relay built in. Ill have to get one ordered

 

[houseofancients]

Strange they don't include the relay built in. Ill have to get one ordered

well actualy...

everybody's situation and install is different.
double bonding would be a bad thing, so i pref they do it like this and are VERY clear about it

 

[Danke]

is it not normal on those 3 phase inverters to be able to do unbalanced loads with each leg capable of half the total output max?

Sol-Ark 15K is not a 3 phase inverter. It’s a split phase.

 

[van-traveler86]

You sure about that?

you can watch this video

minute 5, that is the reason everyone end up paralleling 2 $8000 "15kw" solarks.

 

[Lt.Dan]

allow like 4kw per leg on the 15k inverter your 15k solark will shutdown if you turn on your toaster, coffee machine and microwave at the same time.

This is very not true. And the video you posted above is about the 12k, not the 15k.

I have taken my 12k past 4kw on one leg, with no problems. The 15k is much more capable.

I still can't believe people are upset the Sol-Ark does exactly what they say it will...

 

[van-traveler86]

This is very not true. And the video you posted above is about the 12k, not the 15k.

I have taken my 12k past 4kw on one leg, with no problems. The 15k is much more capable.

I still can't believe people are upset the Sol-Ark does exactly what they say it will...

yeah it does exactly what they say thats why it never talk abaut unbalanced loads and 120v capacity, yeah when you are in bypass mode (connected to the grid you can draw 24,000w per leg the issue is offgrid no utility connected.

 

[Lt.Dan]

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yeah it does exactly what they say thats why it never talk abaut unbalanced loads and 120v capacity, yeah when you are in bypass mode (connected to the grid you can draw 24,000w per leg the issue is offgrid no utility connected.

After a little research, the 15k is capable of the same L-N (roughly 50%) as the 12k. So the 15k is capable of 6kW from L-N / 120v from battery only.

I do agree, it should be in the manual. That is pretty upsetting.

 

[Cheap 4-life]

The IGBT circuit, did not implement the Neutral.

the Neutral is NOT IMPLEMENTED

I will be using AFCI and GFCI combo breaker on the LOAD panel for safety and compliance.

Since the inverter has internal AFCI/GFCI, why are you using an AFCI/GFCI breaker? Are you disabling the internal AFCI/GFCI?

 

[robby]

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yeah it does exactly what they say thats why it never talk abaut unbalanced loads and 120v capacity, yeah when you are in bypass mode (connected to the grid you can draw 24,000w per leg the issue is offgrid no utility connected.

Where are you getting that Chart from?
The Chart on Sol-Ark site does not say "Continuous AC Power to Load" (Off Grid) =12000W

This is the Chart on the Website and it says what we already know, Continuous AC Power From Batteries is 12KW while on 48V
Batteries. Using LFP Batteries you can probably get 14KW.


Off Grid Power on the 15K is 15KW using PV. or Using PV Mixed with Batteries. You can have 8KW coming in Via PV and Mix in 7KW from the Batteries and sustain a 15KW Output on a cloudy day.
You can 3KW of PV coming in on a rainy day and use 12KW of Batteries to sustain 15KW.

 

[Lt.Dan]

Where are you getting that Chart from?
The Chart on Sol-Ark site does not say "Continuous AC Power to Load" (Off Grid) =12000W

This is the Chart on the Website and it says what we already know, Continuous AC Power From Batteries is 12KW while on 48V
Batteries. Using LFP Batteries you can probably get 14KW.
View attachment 127033

Off Grid Power on the 15K is 15KW using PV. or Using PV Mixed with Batteries. You can have 8KW coming in Via PV and Mix in 7KW from the Batteries and sustain a 15KW Output on a cloudy day. You can 3KW of PV coming in on a rainy day and use 12KW of Batteries to sustain 15KW.

Can you confirm my post above for the 120v load limit?

 

[van-traveler86]

still no info on 120v unbalanced loads or "continuous ac power with batteries for 120v loads, batteries but i can say a lot of people are paralleling 15k solarks for "overload" fault and the reason is the max for unbalanced loads is 4.5kw but the thing is with the 240v deye/solark and an autotransformer that issue is fixed.

Where are you getting that Chart from?
The Chart on Sol-Ark site does not say "Continuous AC Power to Load" (Off Grid) =12000W

This is the Chart on the Website and it says what we already know, Continuous AC Power From Batteries is 12KW while on 48V
Batteries. Using LFP Batteries you can probably get 14KW.
View attachment 127033

Off Grid Power on the 15K is 15KW using PV. or Using PV Mixed with Batteries. You can have 8KW coming in Via PV and Mix in 7KW from the Batteries and sustain a 15KW Output on a cloudy day. You can 3KW of PV coming in on a rainy day and use 12KW of Batteries to sustain 15KW.

 

[robby]

you can watch this video

minute 5, that is the reason everyone end up paralleling 2 $8000 "15kw" solarks.

Total Rubbish, that video has been debunked already in a very long thread.
In summary he is using the original first release Firmware and refused to update it or contact Sol-Ark about his problem. The Inverter was given to him by Signature Solar (his Sponsor) with old Firmware in order to make the product look bad by tripping it numerous times.

With the Firmware updates that where available at the time the video was shot he could have drawn 4800W per leg as specified by the manual but he refused to update it because he knew it would fix the problem.

This unbalanced load issue has been highly exaggerated. The Sol-Ark 12K will do 4800W per leg and it can do almost all of that in a completely unbalanced mode of operation. The issues often arise because people are using Motors or other Inductive loads and they are not accounting for the Starting current.

Here is a 12K Sol-Ark running with a totally unbalanced load.



The 15K unit will be no different so long as you have the latest firmware update.
You should be able to get max output of about 8KW per leg while running on PV or PV and Batteries (No Grid). Running on LFP Batteries only with no grid or gen you should be able to Max out at 6.5KW Per Leg or 13KW total.
On AGM Batteries it will be about 6KW per leg.

 

[robby]

Can you confirm my post above for the 120v load limit?

6KW per leg if your using AGM batteries but you will get more with LFP Batteries.

 

[robby]

still no info on 120v unbalanced loads or "continuous ac power with batteries for 120v loads, batteries but i can say a lot of people are paralleling 15k solarks for "overload" fault and the reason is the max for unbalanced loads is 4.5kw but the thing is with the 240v deye/solark and an autotransformer that issue is fixed.

Still asking where did you get that Chart from? It is very misleading and if it is on Sol-Ark site somewhere they need to know about it.

People are not buying dual Sol-Ark 15Ks because of a 4.5KW overload issue, that is complete non sense, it does not overload at 4.5KW LOL!
They are buying them because they want to have 30KW of power being pumped into their homes because they have multiple big AC compressors or in General terms a very big power hungry house.

 

[misterbubbacat]

After a little research, the 15k is capable of the same L-N (roughly 50%) as the 12k. So the 15k is capable of 6kW from L-N / 120v from battery only.

I do agree, it should be in the manual. That is pretty upsetting.

Don't get upset Sir, it's clearly listed in the 15K manual Page 5 of 51. It is stated clearly. You're right, the 15K are capable of 50A*120(L)=6000w and total L1&L2=12,000w on the L-N-L on UPS (Batteries). For Grid interactive, is massive 24,000w~200A (L-N 120V) ?

 

[van-traveler86]

Total Rubbish, that video has been debunked already in a very long thread.
In summary he is using the original first release Firmware and refused to update it or contact Sol-Ark about his problem. The Inverter was given to him by Signature Solar (his Sponsor) with old Firmware in order to make the product look bad by tripping it numerous times.

With the Firmware updates that where available at the time the video was shot he could have drawn 4800W per leg as specified by the manual but he refused to update it because he knew it would fix the problem.

This unbalanced load issue has been highly exaggerated. The Sol-Ark 12K will do 4800W per leg and it can do almost all of that in a completely unbalanced mode of operation. The issues often arise because people are using Motors or other Inductive loads and they are not accounting for the Starting current.

Here is a 12K Sol-Ark running with a totally unbalanced load.

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The 15K unit will be no different so long as you have the latest firmware update.
You should be able to get max output of about 8KW per leg while running on PV or PV and Batteries (No Grid). Running on LFP Batteries only with no grid or gen you should be able to Max out at 6.5KW Per Leg or 13KW total.
On AGM Batteries it will be about 6KW per leg.

max 4.5kw that is what is shown on the picture.

 

[van-traveler86]

Still asking where did you get that Chart from? It is very misleading and if it is on Sol-Ark site somewhere they need to know about it.

People are not buying dual Sol-Ark 15Ks because of a 4.5KW overload issue, that is complete non sense, it does not overload at 4.5KW LOL!
They are buying them because they want to have 30KW of power being pumped into their homes because they have multiple big AC compressors or in General terms a very big power hungry house.

i just write in google solark 15k datasheet you get directed to this page

https://www.sol-ark.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/15K_Specs_4_27_22-1.pdf

 

[van-traveler86]

Don't get upset Sir, it's clearly listed in the 15K manual Page 5 of 51. It is stated clearly. You're right, the 15K are capable of 50A*120(L)=6000w and total L1&L2=12,000w on the L-N-L on UPS (Batteries). For Grid interactive, is massive 24,000w~200A (L-N 120V) ?

do you have the link of the manual page 5 of 51?

 

[van-traveler86]

everyone, just get a 240v deye 16k and save $5k usd then get a growatt 11.5kw autotransformer and get 11.5kw per leg instead of 4.5kw with the solark and throw the saved $5k into 20kw lifepo4 batteries.