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Who is actually manufacturing this inverter?

I gave up on this a long time ago. Honesty is not in their vocabulary. They would be better off if they just didn't say anything. When you have a good product. It will sell itself, without any marketing bs.
I don't know why they aren't confident in their own products.

Please be more specific. Sales and marketing is a shockingly small part of Sol-Ark. The super-majority of the company is in applications, support, repair, and R+D. Very little overhead/sales/marketing despite the size of the company. A true USA success story if you have been paying attention the last decade. Coming from industry to Sol-Ark, I was gobsmacked by how little sales and marketing Sol-Ark does. We are very confident in our product.
signaturesolarjames said:
It's just Texans trashing other Texans, happens in every bar here on Fridays lol.
Speaking of that, @jrcromer ought to consider joining the republic and moving down here.
I don't know why they aren't confident in their own products.
James, I'm from Texas. I just think it's getting to hot down there. Where's the 18kW endurance testing? It's an 18k continuous DC inverter right? Or is it?

mtnman1 said:
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I'm curious as to why its so important to understand the history of where these products originated and who was "first"... Seems like there might be an unreasonable amount of emphasis placed on the origins of the products rather than focusing on the merits of the current technology and what may be coming next...

Pardon for the long response, but it is approaching July 4th...

The issue is whether innovation can occur in the USA or not. Earlier up this thread I was talking about cynicism of the role of the USA in globalism. Sol-Ark was founded by USA veterans who care deeply about powering your home including data privacy. Not knowing the origins or history of solar or battery companies means you won't control your data if their is ever a breaking breach, that's 100% certain. If you want to fork your money over to ripoff copycats to save a few bucks, don't pretend it is the same warranty. You are taking on more risk, because it is a smaller product.

What rubs me the wrong way is how much the Luxpower is like the Sol-Ark 15k. It's obvious. Yet neither James nor Eddie will admit it. Despite James being "Sol-Ark Salesperson of the Year" in his words. Luxpower's HQ is Shenzen.

I personally like globalism, although not everybody does. I strongly agree that monitoring systems should be national. Not just talking about where the bits are stored on Amazon. The company itself. Also, I encourage everyone I talk to to call their representatives and request the DOMESTIC CONTENT RIDER be EXPANDED to RESIDENTIAL SOLAR full stop.

While I appreciation of the global economy, I still care if people are ripoff copycats who claim equivalency when their product is evidently smaller. AC nameplate, solar MPPT, battery amp rating.. those are important specs.

For those still tuned in, let's talk about Pytes for something new.

Pytes is based in China, actually owns their BMS, goes through UL9540-2020, and rips Fortress Power off so much that Pytes actually calls their product line "Forest". Charming. Pytes also shows up at the tradeshows and tells Fortress (while being even more polite than Eddie) how much they want to be like them. And then they deliver a server rack with an unambiguous 10 year warranty and 90% DoD with a UL9540-2020 certification, with outdoor cabinet options.

Pytes also credits Fortress Power for a company they want to be like. Just ask them.
James and Eddie are pretending that they didn't do what they did. "Sol-Ark Salesperson of the Year" indeed.

Sol-Ark has uncapped the hybrid inverter market in the USA because of its feature set. Because of the support of its user base, it is growing into a national platform to rival Enphase or SolarEdge. I don't personally feel that a cheaper inverter actually saves a few bucks, especially in whole home backup. But I especially take offense that neither Eddie nor James own up to what they took from Sol-Ark.

signaturesolarjames said:
Well, I was in the factory... Lux is the IP owner, they have a tier 1 manufacturer do the assembly and PCB build. very impressed with the facility and the QC process on each unit. they run for 4 hours before being packed in your box.
Obviously, they don't run at 18kW for those 4 hours. Solar panels that allow the luxpower to run at it's max DC spec aren't available. Sol-Ark is easy to get to its full DC spec using affordable, low efficiency modules. That more than makes up the cost difference between the product.

Also, is James saying Luxpower is Tier 1? Or is James saying that yet another manufacturer does Luxpower's assembly?

signaturesolarjames said:
The most cooperative frenemies ever... sometime I wonder if our batteries ought to get "Solark Salesperson of the year"
Still have no kickback money lol
frenemies launch derivative products that rip off design without any innovative thinking for the token reward of taking on the risk of a thousand bucks in cost savings erstwhile their China overlord does everything except admit it made a smaller copy of the Sol-Ark 15k.
 
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@jrcromer , outside of the 200a passthrough, what else is copied from solark on the luxpower.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones-can your 15k solark invert 15kw?
 
Please be more specific. Sales and marketing is a shockingly small part of Sol-Ark. The super-majority of the company is in applications, support, repair, and R+D. Very little overhead/sales/marketing despite the size of the company. A true USA success story if you have been paying attention the last decade. Coming from industry to Sol-Ark, I was gobsmacked by how little sales and marketing Sol-Ark does. We are very confident in our product.

SignatureSolarJames said:
It's just Texans trashing other Texans, happens in every bar here on Fridays lol.
Speaking of that, @jrcromer ought to consider joining the republic and moving down here.

James, I'm from Texas. I just think it's getting to hot down there. Where's the 18kW endurance testing? It's an 18k continuous DC inverter right? Or is it?

mtnman1 said:
I'm curious as to why its so important to understand the history of where these products originated and who was "first"... Seems like there might be an unreasonable amount of emphasis placed on the origins of the products rather than focusing on the merits of the current technology and what may be coming next...

Well the issue is whether innovation can occur in the USA or not.
If you wanna fork your money over to ripoff copycats... then do it.
I take issue with ripoff copycats who claim equivalency with smaller product.

SignatureSolarJames said:
Well, I was in the factory... Lux is the IP owner, they have a tier 1 manufacturer do the assembly and PCB build. very impressed with the facility and the QC process on each unit. they run for 4 hours before being packed in your box.

Obviously, they don't run at 18kW for those 4 hours. Otherwise James would shut me up about test data. Also, is James saying Luxpower is Tier 1? Or is James saying that yet another manufacturer does Luxpower's assembly?

SignatureSolarJames said:
The most cooperative frenemies ever... sometime I wonder if our batteries ought to get "Solark Salesperson of the year"
Still have no kickback money lol
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frenemies launch derivative products that rip off design without any innovative thinking for the token reward of taking on the risk of a thousand bucks in cost savings erstwhile their China overlord does everything except admit it made a smaller copy of the Sol-Ark 15k.
I knew it! Friday night bar Texan chewing out other Texans.
 
It can invert 15kW and accept 18kW solar input
We actually go larger (19.6 DC total, 19.2 AC couple max) on the solar input. Useful in off-grid. We do it with low or high efficiency modules, which usually saves a few thousand on a project that large.
 
What else, outside of the 200a passthrough did they copy? You said it's a ripoff- list what they ripped off.
Literally everyone I talk to looks at it and goes "that's a Sol-Ark 15k".
James self-proclaims himself as "Sol-Ark Salesperson of the Year".
What more do you want?

Fact is, it's a smaller inverter which copied Sol-Arks distinguishing features, except used smaller components, creating a cheaper inverter. It's not equivalent.
 
Literally everyone I talk to looks at it and goes "that's a Sol-Ark 15k".
James self-proclaims himself as "Sol-Ark Salesperson of the Year".
What more do you want?

Fact is, it's a smaller inverter which copied Sol-Arks distinguishing features, except used smaller components, creating a cheaper inverter. It's not equivalent.
Ok, so only the 200a passthrough. Got it
 
So which inverters had color touch screen LCDs prior to Sol-Ark @1201? Enlighten me.
Or such luxurious cabinets.

Also, these are only surface features of an inverter, as you might attack me for (although... you asked for more and I delivered).
Believe me, knowledge of inverter systems goes much deeper.
Sol-Ark has a very large number of USA employees working on improving inverter performance every day.

That's why you get quality product. It's why China copies the USA also.
 
So which inverters had color touch screen LCDs prior to Sol-Ark @1201? Enlighten me.
Or such luxurious cabinets.

Also, these are only surface features of an inverter, as you might attack me for (although... you asked for more and I delivered).
Believe me, knowledge of inverter systems goes much deeper.
Sol-Ark has a very large number of USA employees working on improving inverter performance every day.

That's why you get quality product. It's why China copies the USA also.
So because it has a color touchscreen it's a ripoff? That's a stretch don't you think? Rhetorical question by the way
 
@jrcromer could we all have had a pleasant weekend?
Neither my company nor I have any intention of disrespecting Sol-Ark, nor have we ever wanted to undermine your products or your company. As someone who is not our consumer, you are entitled to raise questions and await verification, but there is no need to target us in this way.
Copycats? As you spend more time in this industry, you will discover that our company is not a freshman in this industry. You could fully focus on solving problems for Sol-Ark's customers or promoting the advantages of your own products based on your expertise. To be honest, I believe Sol-Ark has achieved great success in terms of its business model and commercial promotion, and I have expressed my appreciation for that in a previous message. If you feel the need to protect the 200A passthrough or any other inventions by Sol-Ark, perhaps you could just suggest to your colleagues to apply for patents for these things. If our specifications are over-advertised, our customers can return the products or even express their dissatisfaction, and we offer a no-questions return policy. If that were the case, our company would naturally not survive in this market, and you can look forward to celebrating that day.
A successful company should be confident enough, and frankly, your remarks make me question whether Sol-Ark is a confident company. In your message, you mentioned comparing Sol-Ark to the iPhone. Well, let me tell you that I dream of copying iPhone, and I believe many other kids feel the same way. But does Apple care about these foolish dreams? Our products are openly sold, and I believe that other competitors have taken them apart, piece by piece... Let them dismantle as they please. Our products are manufactured by our contracted factories, as we are not a manufacturing company ourselves. We are an R&D company, and I have made that clear in my previous message. We never worry about others stealing our product designs.
Anyway, please stand higher above these issues. As I mentioned before, beyond our two companies, there are too many new and old competitors joining this industry. Let us all focus on cultivating our own plots of land.
Happy weekend!
 
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