Anybody own a diesel PHEV in the USA?

[aenyc]

This why they will never give us any kind of gas/diesel-electric hybrid car (with motor running as generator). That gives way too much freedom to the proles. That does not benefit them.

 

[Checkthisout]

This why they will never give us any kind of gas/diesel-electric hybrid car (with motor running as generator). That gives way too much freedom to the proles. That does not benefit them.

The i3 was just that but gasoline.

Why does it matter if it's gas or diesel?

 

[Nobodybusiness]

few people understand how little power you need to drive down the road.

A 1.5L Diesel produces about 75kw per Hour. A Tesla Model Y comes with a 76kWh battery - which lasts for 280 miles. Which is about 4 hours worth of driving. So you only need to fire up the generator every couple of hours.

Which also means - a Tesla could drive down the road @70mph on a 75kw/4 = 20KW is enough to drive 70.

a CAT C6 is a nice engine - but way to big for most people. Edison is coming from the Trucking Industry. Nothing wrong about that, just overkill for the vast majority of Pickup truck owners.

A F150 Lightning has 130kWH battery - which is good for about 250-300 miles - So you it would need to run the generator about every other hour.
40KW to drive a Pickup @ 70

Most definitely to big for passenger cars.

Not sure what they are going to use for their 3/4 1 ton kits but I’m sure it will be tier 4 already..

Once you break the Initial inertia then it doesn’t take that much to keep a vehicle moving.

 

[Checkthisout]

Once you break the Initial inertia then it doesn’t take that much to keep a vehicle moving.

Wind resistance is the factor for trucks. This is why EV's fail at towing on the freeway.

They are good for around town in stop and go at surface street speeds, obviously.

 

[aenyc]

The i3 was just that but gasoline.

Why does it matter if it's gas or diesel?

I am sorry but i3 is a joke. (at least for me).
I want a camry-like car with 1000 miles range, that refuels in 3 minutes and accelerates 0-60 in under 6 seconds
A true gas/diesel electric hybrid could easily do it with today's tech.

 

[D71]

would you buy this toyota truck if it wss offered?

whoops it will never be sold here… mexico maybe but not here.
Won’t pass standard safety and so on in USA. I doubt we will ever see a $10,000 truck but someone sure likes to post this crap all over youtube and such. Toyota has been coming out with an affordable new small truck every since the Maverick hybrid was dropped. Lot of ppl said the Maverick truck would flop. You can rarely find those ppl now. The price went up on the Maverick.

the govt is really worried about our safety.

 

[teal95]

Europe had diesels because of bad government policies. Almost no emissions requirements and an extra $1/gallon in taxes. Notice that now that they're making diesels meet some minimal emissions requirements most manufacturers have quit making diesel cars.

A good portion of the price increase in diesel in the US is due to sanctions on Russia so they're shipping a bunch of US produced diesel to Europe.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Wind resistance is the factor for trucks. This is why EV's fail at towing on the freeway.

They are good for around town in stop and go at surface street speeds, obviously.

Sure but passenger trucks aren’t big rigs.

You do lose some to wind and if you are towing a giant sails then you are just screwed in battery only models.

I have big hopes for the Edison motors big rigs and kits.

Operates just like a Diesel locomotive.

 

[Checkthisout]

I have big hopes for the Edison motors big rigs and kits.

Operates just like a Diesel locomotive.

Same problem. Their trucks are less efficient than a regular Diesel truck once fuel takes over. Big rigs are spending fuel pushing air out of the way which cannot be recovered during braking.

Hence they claim their truck saves 5-10% on the open highway but they have as of yet to publish any tests.

Its also worth noting the kit will never pay for itself in fuel savings.

 

[Checkthisout]

would you buy this toyota truck if it wss offered?

whoops it will never be sold here… mexico maybe but not here.
Won’t pass standard safety and so on in USA. I doubt we will ever see a $10,000 truck but someone sure likes to post this crap all over youtube and such. Toyota has been coming out with an affordable new small truck every since the Maverick hybrid was dropped. Lot of ppl said the Maverick truck would flop. You can rarely find those ppl now. The price went up on the Maverick.

A Quad costs more than $10,000.00.

A John Deere Gator, a Polaris Ranger etc.

All cost more than $10,000.00

Even $20,000 for a basic model. . And some guys on here think they should get an EV truck for like $30k.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Same problem. Their trucks are less efficient than a regular Diesel truck once fuel takes over. Big rigs are spending fuel pushing air out of the way which cannot be recovered during braking.

Hence they claim their truck saves 5-10% on the open highway but they have as of yet to publish any tests.

Its also worth noting the kit will never pay for itself in fuel savings.

Their trucks C6 generators is running at optimal load charging battery not running the truck.

How is a much smaller motor optimized for charging that runs once in a while using more fuel than a 15 liter big cam Cummins running all the time?

When they get the rigs on the road I’m sure the results will be self evident.

Even if they have zero advantage in Fuel cost ( which I highly doubt)
It will get CARB off their asses.

They haven’t even provided a price for the kits yet how do you know it wont save anything?

Kinda like solar. Not everyone expects a big return.

 

[Checkthisout]

Their trucks C6 generators is running at optimal load charging battery not running the truck.

Engines in semi trucks are always running at optimal load because they have 18 speeds which keeps gear to gear RPM drop very low.

How is a much smaller motor optimized for charging that runs once in a while using more fuel than a 15 liter big cam Cummins running all the time?

Their electric truck has like a 500 horsepower engine. How many horsepower is the average semi truck engine?

When they get the rigs on the road I’m sure the results will be self evident.

They have already said it only saves 5-10% in fuel. Their complete tractor has a $750,000.00 asking price.

Even if they have zero advantage in Fuel cost ( which I highly doubt)
It will get CARB off their asses.

No it won't because their particular engine is out of compliance for what would be allowed in a new truck.

They haven’t even provided a price for the kits yet how do you know it wont save anything?

If you burn $100,000.00 a year in fuel and the kit saves $5000.00 to $10,000.00 per year in fuel then it would take 25-50 years to net $125,000.00 in fuel savings. The kit costs are north of $250,000.00.

Kinda like solar. Not everyone expects a big return.

Guys aren't driving trucks for fun. It's hard to make money in that race to the bottom business as it is. Nobody is going to lose their ass so they can have an electric motor moving the wheels.

 

[D71]

.videos like this are worthless What happens when DEI gets a job - give you a hand job vs talking about specs.

these have had all sorts of power trains. The wheels are turned by electric motors. The diesel electric acting like a gen set was around for a long time. They even tried turbines. EV and hydrogen.

 

[D71]

A Quad costs more than $10,000.00.

A John Deere Gator, a Polaris Ranger etc.

All cost more than $10,000.00

Even $20,000 for a basic model. . And some guys on here think they should get an EV truck for like $30k.

The ~$22,500.00 Maverick XL Hybrid could barely tow a riding lawn mower. Riding lawn mowers can be 1200-1800 pounds add trailer the over the 2000lb towing capacity Side by side are heavier. Some side by side are $30,000+ range. The Maverick is basically a motorized wheel barrow.

The maverick is also car suv platform base so an ev truck could be under $30,000 since the bolt was being sold at 1 time for ~$20,000. ?? A bed could of been added to make it a cute wheel barrow. ?? Most ppl never use a truck like they were intended anyway.

 

[Checkthisout]

The ~$22,500.00 Maverick XL Hybrid could barely tow a riding lawn mower. Riding lawn mowers can be 1200-1800 pounds add trailer the over the 2000lb towing capacity Side by side are heavier. Some side by side are $30,000+ range. The Maverick is basically a motorized wheel barrow.

The maverick is also car suv platform base so an ev truck could be under $30,000 since the bolt was being sold at 1 time for ~$20,000. ?? A bed could of been added to make it a cute wheel barrow. ?? Most ppl never use a truck like they were intended anyway.

Yeah. We also know those cheap EVs are money losers. The actual price to build it isn't being reflected in the retail price.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Engines in semi trucks are always running at optimal load because they have 18 speeds which keeps gear to gear RPM drop very low.

Not even close. They vary in load and rpm widely.
Generator one RPM one load.
If they were efficient they wouldn’t need DEF and particulate filters to catch unburned fuel.

Their electric truck has like a 500 horsepower engine. How many horsepower is the average semi truck engine?

Not about HP. About torque at 0 rpm.
They have already proven it can pull 100,000 lbs.
Gonna have to wait to see how far and fast.
If it couldn’t do the job they would be wasting time even building it.

They have already said it only saves 5-10% in fuel. Their complete tractor has a $750,000.00 asking price.

Where have they said this?

What is the retail cost of a rig designed like the ones they are making?

They are using the most common parts available but they can’t make it cheaper than Freight liner with everything custom?

Somehow I doubt that.

Even if that is the case scale of economies would bring that down.

No it won't because their particular engine is out of compliance for what would be allowed in a new truck.

Says who?
Why is it at the Canada CCMTA now?
If it’s not allowed on the road why would they even build it?

If you burn $100,000.00 a year in fuel and the kit saves $5000.00 to $10,000.00 per year in fuel then it would take 25-50 years to net $125,000.00 in fuel savings. The kit costs are north of $250,000.00.

Where did this price of the kit come from?

If you have a rig that isn’t CARB compliant you can now put a kit in it and drive it instead of junking it and buying a new one.
Savings. Gliders have been around forever.

Guys aren't driving trucks for fun. It's hard to make money in that race to the bottom business as it is. Nobody is going to lose their ass so they can have an electric motor moving the wheels.

This was more for the Kits for the 3/4 1 ton than the big rigs.

 

[D71]

Yeah. We also know those cheap EVs are money losers. The actual price to build it isn't being reflected in the retail price.

I built 1 of my motorcycle for under ~$5000 when they were selling in the $25000+ range for custom bikes. Something is only the value that ppl will pay. I wasn’t willing to pay $25,000.
Go to the dealer and order every single part it takes to build a Harley motorcycle. ?? let me know how much it will cost you. That is or one of the reasons cars use to be stolen and stripped for parts. Sum of the parts

Certain motorcycle Clubs(gangs) would steal motorcycles for the parts too. My motorcycle parts were purchased from private dealer - family member. There is a HUGE MARK UP on parts. I did not pay that mark up. Some of the factory parts were removed at a dealer for aftermarket parts before it left the shop when sold as new. Harley ppl do insane stuff . I grabbed those used - new pulled parts for my builds. I’ve built several….hobby.

Right now am seeing Dodge RAM Jeep take $20,000 off to sell them. Only worth what ppl will pay. They over priced. Housing market did same back around 2008. I made bank. Their misfortune paid me well.
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[Checkthisout]

Not even close. They vary in load and rpm widely.
Generator one RPM one load.
If they were efficient they wouldn’t need DEF and particulate filters to catch unburned fuel.

Well no. The engine operating at a fixed speed would still need those things to comply with the emissions limits for on-road engines. FYI, those engines are dyno certified, not certified in vehicle.

Not about HP. About torque at 0 rpm.
They have already proven it can pull 100,000 lbs.
Gonna have to wait to see how far and fast.
If it couldn’t do the job they would be wasting time even building it.

Where have they said this?

What is the retail cost of a rig designed like the ones they are making?

They are using the most common parts available but they can’t make it cheaper than Freight liner with everything custom?

Somehow I doubt that.

Even if that is the case scale of economies would bring that down.

Says who?
Why is it at the Canada CCMTA now?
If it’s not allowed on the road why would they even build it?

Where did this price of the kit come from?

If you have a rig that isn’t CARB compliant you can now put a kit in it and drive it instead of junking it and buying a new one.
Savings. Gliders have been around forever.

This was more for the Kits for the 3/4 1 ton than the big rigs.

It's a logging truck. Designed for low speed operation. Charge it up, deplete the batteries climbing up to the landing, load up with logs and then recover a bunch of energy on the way back down the mountain and then deplete battery to zero on the freeway to the mill. The engine is for backup or when you need to go the last mile. This is a good truck for this specific purpose.

It's not good for a constant road load. Without the engine directly driving the wheels, you waste fuel.

Their claimed 5-10 savings comes from depleting the battery to zero after it has charged on shore power overnight.

 

[Checkthisout]

I built 1 of my motorcycle for under ~$5000 when they were selling in the $25000+ range for custom bikes. Something is only the value that ppl will pay. I wasn’t willing to pay $25,000.
Go to the dealer and order every single part it takes to build a Harley motorcycle. ?? let me know how much it will cost you. That is or one of the reasons cars use to be stolen and stripped for parts. Sum of the parts

Certain motorcycle Clubs(gangs) would steal motorcycles for the parts too. My motorcycle parts were purchased from private dealer - family member. There is a HUGE MARK UP on parts. I did not pay that mark up. Some of the factory parts were removed at a dealer for aftermarket parts before it left the shop when sold as new. Harley ppl do insane stuff . I grabbed those used - new pulled parts for my builds. I’ve built several….hobby.

Right now am seeing Dodge RAM Jeep take $20,000 off to sell them. Only worth what ppl will pay. They over priced. Housing market did same back around 2008. I made bank. Their misfortune paid me well.
.

Yes parts are usually marked-up 100%.

 

[Checkthisout]

FYI

If it was more efficient to run an engine which ran a generator to make electricity and then use that electricity to run a motor that drove the wheels then that's what manufacturers would do.

That's way less mechanically complex than making a transmission and running driveshafts and stuff.