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All of my condensate drains and the drain from my small commercial ice machine, collect in a 20 gallon tank that feeds one of the toilets.
I guess that you could say that it's also remineralized before going to the septic. lol
 
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Condensate tends towards the acidic. Probably not enough to do any damage, but is it the best thing to use? From my tankless water heater and furnace I have to run it through a remineralizer before it goes down to the septic or it will eat away at any concrete
So its condensed moisture from room air, any thing acidic I blame on the wife. Technically, any body odor(methane) or room dust will be in it tiny amount.

What condensate that comes out of a gas furnace or water heater is from combustion and yes, its slightly acidic. I had a drain running across a cement basement floor to a drain that corroded about 12" of concrete over a few years.
 
We will get a lot more dust starting in the summer dry season. I will see how much it affects the production. Dang sure don't wanna be cleaning them every week, but once a month would be within the realm of possibility. I haven't had mine long enough to tell how much everything changes production. (Like a huge pile of bird poo on a panel) For some reason I'm envisioning a giant stork taking a crap on them. :ROFLMAO:
 
Seems like you'd want to treat the panels like a vehicles paint. Don't let bird poop linger. Wonder if waxing would help protect the panels? Traditional carnauba versus synthetic?
The issue is the cell in series gains resistance when there is low light creating a bottle neck or hot spot. Check out this thread I started a while back; By the way, I have seen hot cells using FLIR while completely clean.

 
I've seen some threads about rainx but no hard details on if anyone has done it. Surely it wouldn't hurt the panel. I use rainx washer fluid on all of our vehicles windshields. I can drive down the road in a heavy rain and never use the wipers. The water just disperses as fast as it hits the windshield.
 
Only cleaned once since installing in 2018. That was last year and more for aesthetics than functionality.

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After
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Just used a telescopic washing brush with hose attachment for water and that was it.
Wow those do look a hell of a lot better. I'm gonna try to clean mine once per month real good with the same brush you use.
 
My setup is in the woods so yeah, friggin birds & pollen. I keep an extended windshield squeegee nearby, everything is within reach after some rain.
 
Occasionally one of my strings will drop production. Usually my dog is taking a nap on a panel. Not sure why they like sleeping on them so much. Maybe they get a good recharge from them.
 
Very botty.
I am definitely not a Bot …

buy a spray bottle of glass plus liquid…buy an O Cedar Swivel head type short nap mop thing with the mop head that slips over the mop holder…similar to a swiffer or whatever.

My panels are 2 to 5 feet off the ground when tilted..
spray the panels generously .
Pull the mop down or rub it around abit on the panels as you see fit…it absorbs all the liquid and traps all the dirt…ALOT of dirt comes off you can’t see well….the glass is clean as new.

Unlike many soaps it does not leave a film or streaking..( it’s glass cleaner ok) …it’s drys clear.

Perfect cleaning in about 2 min… I do it about couple of weeks or as needed.
After cleaning I go rinse a lot of dirt out if the the mop head out in the sink with hot water …squeezing it out ….then let it dry…then put back on the end of the handle. Done….

Works perfect..

Even a Bot cannot make cleaning any simpler..easier or faster..

Haaa.. Bots ain’t so smart.

My panels in any sun are about 90 volts… I do wear my 0 rated electrical gloves when cleaning wet panels …🐓
 
Speaking of bird poo, if you run high power strings you may want to read this;

https://cleansolar.solutions/effect-of-bird-droppings-on-solar-panels/

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I call mostly BS. If your solar panels collect the amount of guano in those pictures, then by all means you should probably at least hose them off. If you are getting hit with mass seagulls, the salt spray is going to be something worse it permeates everything in a costal environ. I can't imagine bird droppings eating thru the glass, perhaps minor corrosion on the frames over and extremely long time period. I get fly-by droppings, got the little woman to stop with the bird-feeders.
 
Check out this installers thoughts on bird poo...

That pic is not a bird dropping. At which point, it's not going to get a clik either. That is clearly a shot with a baseball or rock or, ... that shattered the glass, at which point all kinds of stuff leaks in and corrodes, add electricity and whamo. You should eyeball your panels periodically for any kind of damage, along with your roof in general and most of the things on your property.
 
That pic is not a bird dropping. At which point, it's not going to get a clik either. That is clearly a shot with a baseball or rock or, ... that shattered the glass, at which point all kinds of stuff leaks in and corrodes, add electricity and whamo. You should eyeball your panels periodically for any kind of damage, along with your roof in general and most of the things on your property.
Could be in this case but this is a know issue in the industry. Do some digging, this guy isn't just making it up. Pushing thousands of watts through a just a couple of cells puts panels on the edge. All it takes is some shade (bird doo is shade) in the right spot and your done, especially if an already slow(more resistive) cell is the one that is shaded. Ever wonder why manufactures say shading voids the warranty?

You all do know how panels work right?
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You all do know how panels work right?
Yup, FM = Freaking Magic. Anything can break if subject to abuse. I can tell you if you tape a piece of cardboard over a panel in a string it drops itself out of the string. This I have tested and confirmed. Nothing seemed to get hot or anything. Now if you want to take a baseball bat to it, your outcomes may vary. Piling a thick layer of guano on top of one should do pretty much what cardboard does. If your panel catches fire because a bird crapped on it, I think there were other factors at play.
 
Yup, FM = Freaking Magic. Anything can break if subject to abuse. I can tell you if you tape a piece of cardboard over a panel in a string it drops itself out of the string. This I have tested and confirmed. Nothing seemed to get hot or anything. Now if you want to take a baseball bat to it, your outcomes may vary. Piling a thick layer of guano on top of one should do pretty much what cardboard does. If your panel catches fire because a bird crapped on it, I think there were other factors at play.
I think you need to do some research on panel fires and what can cause them. You might be surprised on what you learn.
 
Pushing thousands of watts through a just a couple of cells puts panels on the edge.
But you aren't pushing thousands of watts through just a couple of cells; you are pushing a fixed current through. While string voltage can cause other issues, the difference between 80V and 400-600V on a panel rated for 1,000V isn't going to see that much impact.

That said, yes you should clean off your panels and keep them in good working condition. You should also periodically check your system to make sure there is no breakdown that can add to risk.
 
I think you need to do some research on panel fires and what can cause them. You might be surprised on what you learn.
I think being a little less patronising might be more helpful.

Meanwhile, this is a pretty decent article on the topic for anyone who wishes to read up on it:

Hot spots are an issue but generally occur due to micro-cracking caused by external damage to the panel and/or because the panel is of low quality. Hard shade in confined areas of the panel over long periods is not good, so clean off any persistent bird poo or lichen. Dust, pollen etc is not going to cause such issues. Modern panels are pretty good at coping with such issues but nevertheless, a little basic maintenance/checking is worthwhile.
 

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