Midnite Solar Announced their new 10kw AIO at Intersolar Today

NC_hydro said:

I imagine it's not quite as long as the blue, green, or yellow LF inverters, but it sounds like it's very respectable for an HF inverter.

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Hedges said:

But ain't nothing like like the surge duration of (HF) Rosie:

https://www.altestore.com/static/datafiles/Others/MidNite%20Rosie%20Inverter%20data%20sheet.pdf

A 7kVA inverter with 60A, 15kVA 60 second surge.

I think Rosie is 2x 120V inverters, so would expect at least half that surge on one leg. Maybe more, depending on amps limit vs. temperature rise.

Still, 1 second is enough for many motors. Anybody know what applications require longer? And does the draw remain max, or taper down?

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sunsurfer said:

That is impressive surge.

I think 1 sec is a bit tight for an average motor start, especially something like a compressor under head pressure or a well pump. But....10k is lots of power and if your pulling both legs, not much this couldn't start unless there is already to much over head going. Maybe a busy shop would have trouble or if the hot tub is running while someone is working in the shop.

I doubt most folks will ever over load this unit.

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Brucey said:

If the display can be duplicated via web browser or app can run it on a big tablet, in the convenience of your favorite recliner.

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Trav’s tinkering said:

In talking to someone that is actually testing one of these, my understanding is you cannot make any adjustments from the on board screen. Everything is done through an app.

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Dave911 said:

The way this is done in the industrial world, is that the device has its own webpage. Via an app? Not great.

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Dave911 said:

The way this is done in the industrial world, is that the device has its own webpage. Via an app? Not great.

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1. Bluetooth
2. App
3. Web based page

Cmiller said:

I'm pretty sure there are 3 ways to connect...

1. Bluetooth
2. App
3. Web based page

Don't take it as gospel, but I'm thinking that's what I found out from someone who has a test unit. Maybe @HighTechLab can elaborate on this for sure...?

Built-in screen doesn't have any option for making any settings, neither is it a touch screen. It's only there for seeing a very basic overview of what's happening. That's the one and only bummer that I saw on the unit.

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Trav’s tinkering said:

MidNite Pro

MidNite Pro is a software for local Bluetooth connection of energy storage devices. Users can view device data and modify device parameters through the app.

apps.apple.com

I’m assuming this is the app? It will not let me “take a tour” without an inverter, but thought it was interesting.

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timselectric said:

I don't remember if this was ever asked.
Will it be compatible with Solar Assistant?
I don't see Midnite on the list currently.

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HighTechLab said:

The mobile app is how you connect/program. The app reaches the inverter via Bluetooth or ethernet/internet. As far as web monitoring portal, there is not a web GUI at this time, but from what I understand the backbone is in place. The primary development effort has been laser focused on the app being perfect, refined, and unlike anything on the market today...the dev guys just pushed an update to the app tonight, so I should have the latest version in the next day or two to share.

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Trav’s tinkering said:

MidNite Pro

MidNite Pro is a software for local Bluetooth connection of energy storage devices. Users can view device data and modify device parameters through the app.

apps.apple.com

I’m assuming this is the app? It will not let me “take a tour” without an inverter, but thought it was interesting.

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MidNite Pro - Apps on Google Play

MidNite Pro is a software for local Bluetooth connection of Hybride

play.google.com

Robin Gudgel said:

First of all I would like to thank all here that are interested in our new upcoming inverter. We call it “The ONE”. I will try to answer whatever questions I can. I am a mechanical engineer and am not actually testing the ONE myself. Ryan, Logan and JimP all in Florida are in charge of the fine tunings of the ONE. bob and I have done our part for now and we are just as excited to get our hands on a production unit as you all are.
Below are some answers and comments after having read the 21 pages here. (In no particular order).
1. Yes, we listen to guys like you! If it wasn’t for comments and suggestions from installers and users we would not be able to make what you all actually want and need. In recognition of this, I am sure we will offer first adopters here with some incredible deals. This is how I started OutBack. Made deals to installers that they could not refuse. It devastated our competition. (Our former employer who fired us). That was fun!
2. We do not have our final costs from the factory yet, so it is hard to say the actual retail price. $5500 has been tossed around, but we will look to see if that can be improved? No promises yet.
3. Frequency shift in AC coupling mode. That is coming this summer. You can also use the programmable input/outputs to assist with AC coupling. We have Three programmable outputs and two AC programmable inputs, plus regular breakers outputs. Lots of options that will make you think how they can or should be used. I don’t think anyone else has something like this?
4. The first 20 units are sitting in Arlington WA now. A few will be going to DIY guys. At least one of which is on this thread. Most have to go to our distribution channel in order to secure future orders. This is really fun, but we have to figure out how to make this high stakes game profitable. MidNite is not a huge company with deep pockets, so we have to tend to business first. We will be giving some of the first units away and/or at great deals to you guys in the early days of this venture, so keep in touch.
5. Grid vs. offgrid. This unit is awesome! Some AIO inverters actually shut off for up to 90 seconds upon loss of grid. Not the ONE. It just keeps the lights on and the beer cold.
6. Charging from a generator is incredible. We have a lot of experience good and bad charging from generators over the last 35 years. This unit is incredible. One day we were testing with a generator that has wheels and handles ( we hate those kind). We forgot to push the choke back in. The generator was laughing and sputtering, but the ONE never disconnected. Boy we were not expecting that.
7. 1201 is asking tough questions. I would like one of of employees doing the testing and designing to answer his questions. By the way, the Sunny Island is a great inverter.
8. Someone said MidNite always overperforms. After having been intimately involved in the design of about 100 different inverters now from 5 companies I can truly say some designs were better than others. Most I am very proud of, but there were a few where I left the scene with my tail between my legs. Fortunately I try not to make the same mistakes again. I invent new ones. For the ONE, we are doing much more testing and changing than any inverter I have been involved in for 35 years. Things don’t always work the way you think they will, so we test, document and communicate back with the engineering team. Speaking of which, there is a lot of speculation on what company builds what. I enjoy reading all the theories here. We know who builds what! We have visited every one of the factories mentioned here and many more. You will not find another inverter made from our factory. The ONE is the only inverter available in North America coming from this factory. They are the best. Bar none. We have not discussed price to any extent as that would compromise all the special features and requests that are being designed into the ONE. We know it has to be competitive though. It will not be competitive with the tier 1 inverters that sell for $3000 though. They are not in the same class.
9. One of the owners of MidNite Solar spends half of his time now in China to insure we are getting things done to our spec.
10. One thing that we are paying attention to are menus. Many AIO inverters are really hard to figure out. We are fixing that. Another is how these are installed. We are saving 1.5 hours and $100 in parts on installing it to a gutter vs. other AIO inverter. Simple stuff, but very important to installers. They too have to be competitive and just those savings can make or break a sale.
11. Similar looks of different inverters don’t mean that the insides are the same? I beg to differ with you. If they are just a different color on the outside, they ARE the same on the insides. Just like our DIY series. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but don’t listen to the sales BS.
12. Output power: the ONE is 10,000 continuous at night and 11.4kw with PV in.
The big difference is that the ONE has really good surge power. That is more important than an extra 2000 watts continuous. Nobody tries to run their inverter continuously at full power. Batteries get sucked dry too quick.
13. 6500 feet altitude. It would do more, but that is just what we decided to have it tested at. It gets really expensive if you fail a test and then have to go back and retest. We conformal coat the boards and that helps insure arcing won’t happen. I am not worried about running at higher elevations. Some very expensive AIO inverters do not have conformal coating. I think that is criminal. Those units will not last but a few years!
14. Selling to the utility when it isn’t supposed to: yes, we have had the utilities show up at two of our test facilities. That is one reason it isn’t released yet.
15. Production is slated for early MAY.
16. Don’t be fooled by a 200 amp pass through. It normally doesn’t make sense and it is not less complicated or less expensive for the install. We too will eventually do this, but it does not make for a better or cheaper install!
17. So to sum it up, we did NOT paint a Chinese inverter our color. We have spent a ton of time and money to insure this inverter will be the best inverter on the market.
Thanks,
Robin Gudgel
President,
MidNite Solar

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HighTechLab said:

The mobile app is how you connect/program.

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MaverickMacGyver said:

I’m excited! It’s about time I replace this 13 year old XW6048. I’ll keep my eye on the supply chain.
Maverick

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MaverickMacGyver said:

I’m excited! It’s about time I replace this 13 year old XW6048. I’ll keep my eye on the supply chain.
Maverick

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Mahendra Gomanie said:

Think that guy (Bob/Robin)worked on the XW6048 as well.Great unit .
I always admire those guys that could have afford them and envious of course.

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