Robert Bibbo, self-described environmental energy analyst and observer, lamented a while back on the growing popularity of Trump relative to President Biden. He stated:“A Clean Energy Transition should be occurring but not with the RECKLESS STUPIDITY enhancing the possibility of Trump Again!” (Robert Bibbo, below)
Bibbo then brought in some historical analysis:This New York Times Poll Shows Trump Leading in 5 Battleground States. A Point In Time Not Election Day Certainty. Nevertheless! Never Ever Trumpers Should be Concerned.
There is a bit of a civil war with some climate alarmists warning to go slow for political reasons. But doesn’t Bibbo know that the climate is in crisis and the emergency is HERE? Biden, Kerry, and Gore said it. The United Nations said it. Scientist Andrew Dessler said it….In 2016 The Democratic Brain Trust saddled Hilary with a Clean Power Plant 1 War on Coal. Krugman opines 2x (NYTs) that CPP 1 delivered PA, MI & WI (46 EC votes) to elect Trump45. In 2020 those 46 votes elected Biden. Heading into 2024 the Brain Trust has saddled Biden with a Clean Power Plan 2 War on Fossil Fuels. Add the reasonable chance of midwest grid failures Trump Again is much too real. A Clean Energy Transition should be occurring but not with the RECKLESS STUPIDITY enhancing the possibility of Trump Again! And just like CPP1, CPP2 has no chance to become law.
Joseph Toomey added:Ending the transition with an apology would be the best course of action for the Democrats. After all, wind, solar, and batteries are hardly environmental, not only uneconomic.
No response from Bibbo, but I think he is on to something that will fully germinate in November.There is no way your “Clean Energy Transition” can occur without “reckless stupidity.” … Add in the fact that the economy will be in FAR WORSE shape one year from now, together with the fact that pollsters like Times/Siena routinely over-sample Democrats in their raw data adjustment process, and these polling disadvantages will likely only grow.
Curious as to why you think there's any sort of gap between renewables and nuclear? A watt is a watt regardless of the source and there are lot's of studies that show renewables can do the job. Australia even now has the first city running completely on renewables. California has seen numerous days where renewables provided > 100% of the power needs for the day. Iceland, Gabon, Paraguay, Sweden, Norway, Uruguay are mostly renewables. Some are well on their way (e.g., New Zealand gets 87% of it's power from renewables).
The link you asked for. https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-energyplus/
At 9.5 cents per kWh, which is very cheap, what made you decide to do your project at the time you did it? Considering that battery and solar was expected and still is continuing to drop..
world leaders as “liars” and “stupid” for delaying on climate action in an attempt to protect economies.
Percentage of Scientists that recognize Climate Change is real It depends on the year, the study you cite, and who gets included in the study. What Energy experts say:
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So, from technically impossible to economically improbable?As far as solar and wind being cheaper than fossil fuels, that is a load of horse manure. Take away the federal subsidies and then compute the real costs.
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Wait .... Isn't this the kind of crap we have been told was all a conspiracy theory and definitely wasn't happening .... Seems like it HAS been happening for at least 4 years ..... and, there may be unintended consequences.
Under present-day conditions, we find MCB in the remote mid-latitudes or proximate subtropics reduces the relative risk of dangerous summer heat exposure by 55% and 16%, respectively. However, the same interventions under mid-century warming minimally reduce or even increase heat stress in the Western United States and across the world. This loss of efficacy may arise from a state-dependent response of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation to both anthropogenic warming and regional MCB. Our result demonstrates a risk in assuming that interventions effective under certain conditions will remain effective as the climate continues to change.
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Diminished efficacy of regional marine cloud brightening in a warmer world - Nature Climate Change
Regional marine cloud brightening (MCB) has been proposed as a form of geoengineering. Here the authors show that a regional MCB aiming to reduce warming in the Western United States under today’s conditions would be less efficient under warmer conditions and would exaggerate warming in other...www.nature.com
Bob, these people know better than us. It has nothing to do with government money or power.
They really want to save humanity even though there are too many of us.
Next thing you know we will be having weather wars ....or maybe already are?
HABs form due to a rapid growth of cyanobacteria, also called blue-green algae, which are naturally found in lakes, rivers, and ponds. To prevent illness in animals, keep them out of areas with scums or discolored water
I reported the city shut down the University's tests a few posts back, so it was happening. There are many other geo-engineering experiments underway and also private groups (aka idiots) shooting crap via rockets or balloons into the atmosphere all the time which is unfortunate as they don't synchronize with others which can make it hard to know what effect (if any) it's having and possibly throw off other's research.Wait .... Isn't this the kind of crap we have been told was all a conspiracy theory and definitely wasn't happening ....
That is the city stopped the experiment because it's called geo-engineering and they were afraid. Not because it was found to be harmful. No one complains about ski resorts doing snow blowing which is 100s of times the scale. We only stopped industry from pumping megatons of SO2 into the atmosphere fairly recently because of a thing called acid rain. So, nothing to get to freaked about IMO....there is no indication that the spray from the previous experiments presented a threat to human health or the environment....
Heat waves and deaths from heat continue to dominate the news cycle, stay cool everyone!
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I reported the city shut down the University's tests a few posts back, so it was happening. There are many other geo-engineering experiments underway and also private groups (aka idiots) shooting crap via rockets or balloons into the atmosphere all the time which is unfortunate as they don't synchronize with others which can make it hard to know what effect (if any) it's having and possibly throw off other's research.
You left off an important bit:
That is the city stopped the experiment because it's called geo-engineering and they were afraid. Not because it was found to be harmful. No one complains about ski resorts doing snow blowing which is 100s of times the scale. We only stopped industry from pumping megatons of SO2 into the atmosphere fairly recently because of a thing called acid rain. So, nothing to get to freaked about IMO.
A few pounds here or there of SO2 that has a half-life of 24 hours just isn't the same as the gigatons of CO2 that doesn't break down easily (has to be captured in someway, e.g., photosynthesis, giving it a half-life greater than a century). The GHGs are the true geoengineering we've inadvertently been doing for over a century. That's what we should all be urgently worried about.
The university was using salt for Marine cloud brightening (MCB) rather than SO2. Or, more specifically, they were spraying seawater into the air as a fine mist. Something that happens naturally to some extent because of wave action. So, not scary until you ask an egg-head what he's doing and he says "geo-engineering experiments." Given a percentage of seawater has radioactive potassium, the egghead could have tacked on "and measuring radioactive fallout". You can image how the public would react ; -)
Overall I see these experiments as a good thing since we need more basic data into aerosols. Hopefully we never have to use them, but I like the idea we at least know what we're doing if we ever do need them (plus it'll be useful information for when we get around to terraforming other planets ; -).
A little humor to lighten the day...
Her increased body mass is out putting excessive btu…she should self terminate and save the planet.Heat waves and deaths from heat continue to dominate the news cycle, stay cool everyone!
Heat wave threatens southern US corn crops
Help Keep Animals Cool and Safe as Temperatures Rise
Thinking a greener future is costly? The fingerprints of climate change are already all over this budget
After 100s die, Merkel says Germany needs better climate policy
More than 1 million affected by famine in Madagascar drought
India pledges net zero by 2070
3 die in record rainfall and flooding in Japan
Climate change is already making your bills more expensive
Hurricane Winds Can Destroy Solar Panels, But Developers Are Working to Fortify Them
I reported the city shut down the University's tests a few posts back, so it was happening. There are many other geo-engineering experiments underway and also private groups (aka idiots) shooting crap via rockets or balloons into the atmosphere all the time which is unfortunate as they don't synchronize with others which can make it hard to know what effect (if any) it's having and possibly throw off other's research.
You left off an important bit:
That is the city stopped the experiment because it's called geo-engineering and they were afraid. Not because it was found to be harmful. No one complains about ski resorts doing snow blowing which is 100s of times the scale. We only stopped industry from pumping megatons of SO2 into the atmosphere fairly recently because of a thing called acid rain. So, nothing to get to freaked about IMO.
A few pounds here or there of SO2 that has a half-life of 24 hours just isn't the same as the gigatons of CO2 that doesn't break down easily (has to be captured in someway, e.g., photosynthesis, giving it a half-life greater than a century). The GHGs are the true geoengineering we've inadvertently been doing for over a century. That's what we should all be urgently worried about.
The university was using salt for Marine cloud brightening (MCB) rather than SO2. Or, more specifically, they were spraying seawater into the air as a fine mist. Something that happens naturally to some extent because of wave action. So, not scary until you ask an egg-head what he's doing and he says "geo-engineering experiments." Given a percentage of seawater has radioactive potassium, the egghead could have tacked on "and measuring radioactive fallout". You can image how the public would react ; -)
Overall I see these experiments as a good thing since we need more basic data into aerosols. Hopefully we never have to use them, but I like the idea we at least know what we're doing if we ever do need them (plus it'll be useful information for when we get around to terraforming other planets ; -).
A little humor to lighten the day...
Her increased body mass is out putting excessive btu…she should self terminate and save the planet.
Maybe eat another gummi bear and pop - become plant food to absorb the co2.
Ac/dc thunder thighs.
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So whether by Marxism or any other form of secular utopianism: The goals are always out with the “old” and in with the “new”. Order out of chaos. Dissolve and coagulate.The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.
— Orwell, George, ”1984”: part 2, chapter 9
What the CA grid looks like The graph is interactive on their web site, although it's only 4/19. Looks like they still need more ESS (which on the graph is both hydro and batteries). I thought that all of the nuclear was out of CA, but from the graph is looks like something is still running. Interesting that they draw on the batteries at 6AM as they turn down the fuel consumption. Will Californians soon get rid of the their TOU and have cheap rates? While I'm optimistic at heart, I doubt it. Investors are in it for a buck, and happy to use the crisis to make money. I suspect until they get taken to court the old "peaker induced" rates that caused the TOUs will stay in place. I wonder if @GXMnow will have his system paid back by then? ; -) | ![]() |
As was mentioned in post #6,553, those are the costs without subsidies. Restating your opinion without addressing the facts that prove it to be wrong don't really advance the conversation. Show me how Lazard's is wrong and we can talk.As far as solar and wind being cheaper than fossil fuels, that is a load of horse manure. Take away the federal subsidies and then compute the real costs.
While I agree nuclear is viable, there simply isn't enough Uranium for the current technology to sustains us (again it was in post #6,553 with a reference). Again, just restating an opinion without addressing facts doesn't advance the topic. Not to say there aren't a ton of promising new nuclear technologies that could work, there are and they can... but can they also have a low LCOE?Get rid of the environmental whackos that have totally screwed up the processes of building nuclear plants and the answer is easy-peazy.
Ah! I see what you mean now. You might be interested in this article as it gives an idea as to how rapidly the U.S. is moving towards renewables:The US consumes over 4.25 TRILLION kWh of electricity per year. Renewables, all together, produced only 21.5% of that power. That is the huge gap I am referring to.
With 3 trillion kWh to go, if we're deploying 200 billion kWh per year, every five years we have a trillion kWh, so in 15 years (not including Dunkelflaute or ESS needs) at the anticipated 2025 rate we'd be fully electrified. So, seems like we can meet our 2050 commitments in regards to electrification and the gap has a wide safety margin. But, obviously, if deployment continues to grow each year by some percentage (which it should given lower LCOEs) then we'd reach the goal sooner.As a result of new solar projects coming on line this year, we forecast that U.S. solar power generation will grow 75% from 163 billion kilowatthours (kWh) in 2023 to 286 billion kWh in 2025. We expect that wind power generation will grow 11% from 430 billion kWh in 2023 to 476 billion kWh in 2025.