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New grid interactive inverter thread- GROWATT vs MIDNITE vs EG4 vs SRNE

1201 said:
Yeah I missed all that. Still wishful thinking
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Let's consider two scenarios of the company dying in 2025.

Enphase vs Pick your favorite weakly distributed Chinese inverter manufacturer. I dunno, Growatt or Hoymiles.

99.9% chance somebody will pick up the pieces from Enphase to get access to the customers and installer network.

10% chance for the Chinese ones?

Even less if it's due to industrial policy resulting in cancelation of warranty support. It's happened for some sectors, specifically some IT stuff. Probably Huawei gear was difficult to support after they were given the boot. In that case though, such customers are probably big spenders so there is room for eating the pain as a support company. Residential users are useless cheapskates compared to someone that actually matters in the economy, like datacenters or ISPs or POCOs.
 
zanydroid said:
Let's consider two scenarios of the company dying in 2025.

Enphase vs Pick your favorite weakly distributed Chinese inverter manufacturer. I dunno, Growatt or Hoymiles.

99.9% chance somebody will pick up the pieces from Enphase to get access to the customers and installer network.

10% chance for the Chinese ones?

Even less if it's due to industrial policy resulting in cancelation of warranty support. It's happened for some sectors, specifically some IT stuff. Probably Huawei gear was difficult to support after they were given the boot. In that case though, such customers are probably big spenders so there is room for eating the pain as a support company. Residential users are useless cheapskates compared to someone that actually matters in the economy, like datacenters or ISPs or POCOs.
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To be clear enphase is not even a top 10 inverter manufacturer. It's a small player compared to the big boys like Huawei.

Enphase will not be competitive in the diy market.

Compare the cost of an enphase system to a "regular" diy hybrid system. I wager enphase is 2-4x the cost
 
Is the DIY market even a noticeable blip on the radar compared to "professionally" installed systems?
 
1201 said:
To be clear enphase is not even a top 10 inverter manufacturer
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My thesis is that the top N within North America is more relevant than their global rating.

1201 said:
Enphase will not be competitive in the diy market.
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Tell that to all the DIYers on the Enphase forum :)

I don't get it either, but they exist. And they fanboy/stan Enphase in addition to paying for it.
 
cs1234 said:
Is the DIY market even a noticeable blip on the radar compared to "professionally" installed systems?
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Probably not but I guarantee you the biggest markets are not using enphase inverters even in professionally installed systems.

Back to regularly scheduled programming: mn1 vs the world
 
As a DIYer, with great power comes great responsibility... you have many fewer layers above you on the hook for the warranty. You have to put bank some of your savings for self-insurance against a combination of equipment and business failure. I would say this applies regardless of whether you picked a $1500 inverter or a $6000 inverter. I don't think the reduced business failure probability of the $6000 inverter is zero.

Solar installers IMO are not a super stable business; if you buy a premium system at least the layer on top (Enphase) gives you some recourse.

AFAIK CEC does not require the 10 year equipment or installer warranty to be backed by an escrow account covering bankrupcies, etc. I think it's just a box checking exercise.

Supposing someone picked a good turnkey installer that is around for the long haul (which usually also costs more). Then if Growatt etc dies and the installer still hasn't failed (charging a premium hopefully lets them bank some money to weather a recession), they could well be on the hook for a installation level warranty service.
 
1201 said:
I started to do that but they all have the exact same certs .

Maybe I'll add it back
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Could be all the same, but I seem to recall some of the "cheap" Chinese inverters were not UL1741SB and so could not be used to sell back in places that required it. For that matter perhaps a line about whether or not the inverter can sell back to the grid would be useful as well.
 
zanydroid said:
Let's consider two scenarios of the company dying in 2025.

Enphase vs Pick your favorite weakly distributed Chinese inverter manufacturer. I dunno, Growatt or Hoymiles.

99.9% chance somebody will pick up the pieces from Enphase to get access to the customers and installer network.

10% chance for the Chinese ones?

Even less if it's due to industrial policy resulting in cancelation of warranty support. It's happened for some sectors, specifically some IT stuff. Probably Huawei gear was difficult to support after they were given the boot. In that case though, such customers are probably big spenders so there is room for eating the pain as a support company. Residential users are useless cheapskates compared to someone that actually matters in the economy, like datacenters or ISPs or POCOs.
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NEP, based in California. Not sure how good their support is, but a good bit cheaper than Enphase.
 
Danke said:
NEP, based in California. Not sure how good their support is, but a good bit cheaper than Enphase.
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You do realize that the NE in North East of their name could well actually refer to NorthEast China, which has a number of inverter factories?

They have a subsidiary called Qingdao Northern Electric Power

They may have an HQ with some dudes and gals in California, I don’t know how big the company is
 
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zanydroid said:
You do realize that the NE in North East of their name could well actually refer to NorthEast China, which has a number of inverter factories?

They have a subsidiary called Qingdao Northern Electric Power

They may have an HQ with some dudes and gals in California, I don’t know how big the company is
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Sure, products are manufactured in China.

Established in the United States by a California-based executive team, our company boasts a decade-long track record of pioneering advanced solar power conversion solutions. We have successfully delivered cutting-edge microinverter and rapid shutdown MLPE products to customers across more than 35 countries.
NEP is legally structured as a Benefit Corporation in the USA, dedicated to enhancing both human and shareholder value.
  • With roots in Silicon Valley, our operations embody the region's renowned intensity and performance. Our approach emphasizes simplicity, driven by a team of dedicated professionals within a competitive corporate framework. We offer streamlined solutions that cater effortlessly to the needs of enterprises and individuals alike.
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    U.S.A. and Canada​

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  • Darah Miller
    Regional Sales Manager
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    Ed Heacox
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It looks like Enphase might actually start making some stuff in USA.

But:

Enphase micro inverters are designed in California and assembled in China. Enphase outsources the manufacturing of their products to 3rd party manufacturers. Some of their manufacturing partners include:

• Flextronics International Ltd. who assembles and tests Enphase micro inverters, the Enphase AC Battery and Envoy products.

• Phoenix Contact GmbH & Co. KG who manufactures Enphase’s AC trunk cables.

• ELIIY Power Co., Ltd. who provides the chemistry for the Enphase AC Battery storage solution.
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TK1979 said:
Wow! So many options in the low $2k
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Absolutely. It's almost like they saw the success of the deye/solark and wanted in on the action. Now they just need to be trsted6 to see which ones are worth the money

The ruixu is interesting with the 200a passthrough and the 600v inputs.
 
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1201 said:
Absolutely. It's almost like they saw the success of the deye/solark and wanted in on the action. Now they just need to be better to see which ones are worth the money

The ruixu is interesting with the 200a passthrough and the 600v inputs.
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It will be interesting to see where Ruixu sets the price. I hope for $2,500 but will not be shocked to see it as high as $4,000.
 
InTheHills said:
It will be interesting to see where Ruixu sets the price. I hope for $2,500 but will not be shocked to see it as high as $4,000.
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With the 200a pass through and 9540 cert and 600v inputs 4k wouldn't surprise me either
 
PR787Solar said:
Where's the info or announcements for the Riuxu inverter? I tried searching here and Google and nothing comes up
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diysolarforum.com

Ruixu RX-12k Split Phase Hybrid Inverter

Ruixu RX-12k Split Phase Hybrid Inverter that is supposed to be released in July 2024. 17.1 kW PV 4 MPPT at 600V & 16A 240A Max Charge / Discharge 11.4 kW AC Out 17.1 kW - 10s Overload Price TBD. Low Res Spec Sheets Attached.
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