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I can see the panels are segmented rather than fully flexible but I wonder if the lack of support in the original image would lead to an increased chance of delamination or a permanent curve in the segments.
 
I can see the panels are segmented rather than fully flexible but I wonder if the lack of support in the original image would lead to an increased chance of delamination or a permanent curve in the segments.
A good question. From my understanding, the cells (which may or may not be made by MiaSole) are bonded to a stainless steel sheet and the whole thing can be repeatedly rolled up in a fairly tight radius (about 6" radius). The outer coating is supposed to be some form of EPDM but it does seem to be easily scratched or damaged. This coating I think is not technically necessary for solar power production which is why you see these videos of people shooting the panel, jumping on it, driving forklifts over it and it still putting out near full capacity. Very few if any videos however show what that panel looks like after an additional few months in the sun and rain, most likely because that EPDM coating IS important to prevent oxidation and degradation of the copper, indium, gallium, selenide cell structure. This coating will also likely degrade in UV after some time period as most likely anything other than solid glass would degrade.

Thus I think this panel has a specific use case. If you need the ultimate in flexibility which would quickly cause microfractures in traditional semi flexible thin monocrystaline fiberglass backed panels and you need the lightweight (6 pounds vs maybe 27 pounds for a glass panel of 200 watts).
 
A good question. From my understanding, the cells (which may or may not be made by MiaSole) are bonded to a stainless steel sheet and the whole thing can be repeatedly rolled up in a fairly tight radius (about 6" radius). The outer coating is supposed to be some form of EPDM but it does seem to be easily scratched or damaged. This coating I think is not technically necessary for solar power production which is why you see these videos of people shooting the panel, jumping on it, driving forklifts over it and it still putting out near full capacity. Very few if any videos however show what that panel looks like after an additional few months in the sun and rain, most likely because that EPDM coating IS important to prevent oxidation and degradation of the copper, indium, gallium, selenide cell structure. This coating will also likely degrade in UV after some time period as most likely anything other than solid glass would degrade.

Thus I think this panel has a specific use case. If you need the ultimate in flexibility which would quickly cause microfractures in traditional semi flexible thin monocrystaline fiberglass backed panels and you need the lightweight (6 pounds vs maybe 27 pounds for a glass panel of 200 watts).
So just for theories sake would a acrylic film or lacquer be a good way of increasing longevity? Obviously the lacquer would be susceptable to water but it should increase the UV resistance without reducing production too much. I know acrylic won't allow uv-c to pass through but Im pretty sure it's not a visable wavelength so PV wouldn't use it.
 
Sorry but your driving a moped in Thailand that to me is the most ignorant thing I can think of, I downgraded my modern nissan car for a 12 year old ford because I needed more steel between me and the road.
A moped? How dare you my friend, that is a Triumph Speed Triple 1050 a magnificent beast of a motorcycle! Seriously though I can understand why you might think that, however in my case I've managed to survive driving motorcycles all my adult life and 30+ of those years in Thailand with frequent jaunts around the country, how you may ask? I just assume every other road user is an idiot out to kill me, read the road, read the pedestrians, read the parked cars, even read the upcoming car drivers head positions, don't ride beyond ones limits and in any potentially dangerous situations have an alternative avoidance route, plus another dozen little things. It takes practice, experience and discipline to process so many data points whilst maintaining a high situational awareness, I'm not trying to boast but rather illustrate how an experience rider mitigates the risks associated with the activity to what I feel is an acceptable level and yes in a collision or loss of control situation a car is a much better option. As an ironic point, I generally feel safer on a motorcycle or scooter because I'm more aware of the dangers and pitfalls (fully engaged) whereas driving in my tank (1994 LWB Mighty-X pickup) I feel safer, insulated, complacent and less engaged.
 
I just assume every other road user is an idiot out to kill me
Despite your paragraph this is the only part that separates you from most, doesn't matter how good you are at driving whatever vehicle on Thailand if you can't understand this part your likely to perish.
 
Despite your paragraph this is the only part that separates you from most, doesn't matter how good you are at driving whatever vehicle on Thailand if you can't understand this part your likely to perish.
I've sent you a reply in conversations if you're up for it, no worries if you'd rather not, I just worry at this point we we're so far off topic.
 
So just for theories sake would a acrylic film or lacquer be a good way of increasing longevity? Obviously the lacquer would be susceptable to water but it should increase the UV resistance without reducing production too much. I know acrylic won't allow uv-c to pass through but Im pretty sure it's not a visable wavelength so PV wouldn't use it.
Honestly, the best thing would probably be some sort of UV blocking removable film that you replace every so often, like the way race cars have a tear away film over the windshield or full face visors have a similar film you remove once it becomes scratched or paint covered.
 
Honestly, the best thing would probably be some sort of UV blocking removable film that you replace every so often, like the way race cars have a tear away film over the windshield or full face visors have a similar film you remove once it becomes scratched or paint covered.
Apparently flexible panels coated with Ethylene tetrafluoroethylene (ETFE) are UV resistant and durable, probably quite expensive too.
 
The older, and presumably wiser, that one gets, the more humbled by the realization of how little one actually knows. At the same time, it can often be the case that the wiser one gets, the more frustrated one becomes with the general bane of ignorance. Ignorance is a huge problem. Ignorance injures society at all levels. Ignorant officials make ignorant laws. Ignorant builders make ignorant mistakes which create hazards and risks for countless people. Ignorance costs millions and is among the top causes of death. The biggest problem with it? The greater one's ignorance, the greater one's false confidence and belief that one knows what is necessary--certainly more than the next guy.

Psychologists may refer to the phenomenon as the "Dunning-Kruger Effect." Ignorance is among the worst evils to exist, and among the most difficult to fight.
YMMV, but I do not feel it's ignorance per se, as much as it is chosen ignorance. One can be ignorant but become intelligent, if one chooses to learn. On the other hand, if one finds bliss wallowing in ignorance ... meet the Whittakers.
 
I was looking at some reviews on solar panels and one guy was complaining he was not seeing the full power ( 400 watts) out of his two 200 watt panels.

Look at the bungee cords he has strung across them (not to mention there is no way they are pointed anywhere near direct to the sun) Sigh...

How do dumb people get so much money to spend? I really must be doing something wrong...
Brother if you figure it out let me know..
 
Tell me about it, my best support engineer was a guy straight out of technical college, he admitted he had no practical experience but wanted the job, he worked as I trained him and outshone the more experienced techs by a mile who seemed to resent being taught new techniques and standards.

Bus driver almost took me and several riders out.
When in Asia the rule seems to be If I’m bigger than you I have the right of way.
Made me crazy.
 
But . . . Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?
in these human measurements the dictionary does

As far as anybody caring.. yea all those that have had discussion about it for thousands of years probably do lmfao
 
volts * amps = J/second

Watts itself has a time component as it's a rate of energy use.

I get the point, and hopefully, you noted the :p
yea but this doesn't put time in his equation lmfao
& yea I saw your emoji

I remember some thread a few months ago with 3 pages of people arguing about others not knowing when to use "kwh" or just "kw" in some guys thread where he was asking help and used it wrong 🤣
 

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