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LittoKala 100AH Cells

I share your conundrum. The reference video does show a fabricated restraining bracket at the 9:20 mark. However this only restricted movement of "two of the three planes" (left/right, front/back). However that bracket does nothing for third plane (up/down). Tip/turn the container over, and there is a big problem. I will be doing some finagling to keep the cells still on all three planes...additional brackets, glue, padding, we shall see.

I will be adding a thin layer of protection between the cells as well, before affixing cells together. I will be using the 3M VHB tape between cells, and tape (type TBD...Gorilla, Kapton) to wrap around all four cells. Highly critical is to ensure the tops of the cells are fully insulating from shorting while in the ammo box. I will be using Kapton tape and additional insulating padding for tops of cells.

BTW...I have 6mm x 25mm studs and flanges nuts on order, and will be fabricating better busbars, to replace the provided chintzy screws and busbars.

Have fun!!!
Yikes, I went with the 25mm originally and within a minute of receiving them and testing, had ordered 16mm. Those work much better, I didn't realize how shallow the terminals were. 16mm doesn't look out of place and can accommodate bus bars twice as thick as the ones we receive with the cells + two connections on main positive and negative. And still have thread to spare. 25mm leaves a lot.

Thanks for the timestamp. I'd tape my cells with VHB too, but the bulging of one of my cells makes that feel like a bad idea, the gap would require doubling up tape (possibly more) and I wouldn't want to apply tape to the bulged area as that could stretch the bus bar distance too far.

Jealous you have yours in parallel, I tried to request more bus bars from the seller but they didn't understand what I was saying. While my RC balance charger had no trouble completing a slow balance on the pack without much throttling (i.e. didn't drop to 2 amps charge for 4 hours trying to juggle the high cell) they did come to rest at a 40mv difference after hitting 3.6v together. Once I get the BMS set up I'll do my discharge and charge back up to 13.8 - which will be the highest I go. Willing to bet I won't have that significant of a difference staying between the shoulders, but I'll always have wondered if paralleling them would have made them perfect.
 
Yikes, I went with the 25mm originally and within a minute of receiving them and testing, had ordered 16mm. Those work much better, I didn't realize how shallow the terminals were. 16mm doesn't look out of place and can accommodate bus bars twice as thick as the ones we receive with the cells + two connections on main positive and negative. And still have thread to spare. 25mm leaves a lot.

Thanks for the timestamp. I'd tape my cells with VHB too, but the bulging of one of my cells makes that feel like a bad idea, the gap would require doubling up tape (possibly more) and I wouldn't want to apply tape to the bulged area as that could stretch the bus bar distance too far.

Jealous you have yours in parallel, I tried to request more bus bars from the seller but they didn't understand what I was saying. While my RC balance charger had no trouble completing a slow balance on the pack without much throttling (i.e. didn't drop to 2 amps charge for 4 hours trying to juggle the high cell) they did come to rest at a 40mv difference after hitting 3.6v together. Once I get the BMS set up I'll do my discharge and charge back up to 13.8 - which will be the highest I go. Willing to bet I won't have that significant of a difference staying between the shoulders, but I'll always have wondered if paralleling them would have made them perfect.
No need for 6 busbars to put in parallel. Use the four they gave you, then use 2 jumpers with alligator clips, ring/U terminals, or simply put the stripped end of the jumpers under the screws/washers. I am charging less than 10 amps. Just make sure the screws are fairly tight and you have at least 16AWG wire for jumpers (or there abouts), and you will be fine at low amp charging. Just make sure to charge at no more than 3.6v to be safe when in parallel. See pic, and please excuse the clutter.
 

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No need for 6 busbars to put in parallel. Use the four they gave you, then use 2 jumpers with alligator clips, ring/U terminals, or simply put the stripped end of the jumpers under the screws/washers. I am charging less than 10 amps. Just make sure the screws are fairly tight and you have at least 16AWG wire for jumpers (or there abouts), and you will be fine at low amp charging. Just make sure to charge at no more than 3.6v to be safe when in parallel. See pic, and please excuse the clutter.
Cool, I can do that. Thanks for the pic. Discharging now @ 13 amps and a pretty consistent 30mv difference, settles to 2mv instantly if I shut off the load. The low cell is the bloated one :| I noticed this ~30mv difference when first charging the pack (same cell) and replaced the balance harness which was pretty flimsy, shame that wasn't the culprit.

edit: first test complete, with a cell under voltage setting of 2.6v and a load of 13 amps on a 100ah 12v pack, I achieved 98.82ah. I'll charge back up in series and then do the parallel connection and charge to 3.6v, then repeat.

But almost 99ah is perfectly fine for me. After I top balance @ 3.6vpc I'll discharge again, then charge back up to my target voltage of 13.8/3.45vpc and discharge to wherever I want my bottom at. If I can float around in 80ah usable land it'll certainly satisfy my need, and hopefully be the last battery I install on this little pop up camper.
 
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Under voltage setting of 2.6v,

I think the inverter will hit under voltage before that.

I ordered mine on Jan 14th, 2021, no updates on Fedex.
Alix says they have till April 24th to get here, what the LFE!
 
Under voltage setting of 2.6v,

I think the inverter will hit under voltage before that.

I ordered mine on Jan 14th, 2021, no updates on Fedex.
Alix says they have till April 24th to get here, what the LFE!
yup...only choice is to be patient. They will get there. BTW, where are you?
 
Under voltage setting of 2.6v,

I think the inverter will hit under voltage before that.

I ordered mine on Jan 14th, 2021, no updates on Fedex.
Alix says they have till April 24th to get here, what the LFE!

I think you're right, I did my discharging with a victron 12|250 inverter and I forget what I set the low voltage shutoff to. I did not have a low voltage alarm on the smart BMS, but I had let my phone's screen lock and figured maybe it reconnected and had cleared ?‍♂️

I didn't know the smart BMS units (overkill solar type) would adjust battery capacity without hitting the programmed low voltage disconnect, but it did (the 98.82ah figure)

I charged it back up with a Victron MPPT and 24v power supply as PV, to see how wonky things would get in normal charging conditions without the aid of a RC hobby balance charger. The MPPT with aid of a Victron Smart BatterySense nailed 13.8v on the nose as measured by BMS and Victron app. This is better behavior than I get in my other setup with a BMV712 providing voltage and temp.

At a 20 amp charge rate I was obviously exceeding the balance ability of the BMS by an enormous factor, but at the end I was at 13.8v and a high cell of 3.472v, ~30mV delta. Once a brief absorption ended (to give additional balance time, but ended up not having any benefit), the cells instantly settled to 1mV difference. I could run this as is but I decided to parallel the cells and take them to 3.6v. I just completed this using the iCharger X6 once again at 30 amps, worked great and didn't overshoot.

I'll let them hang out in parallel for a couple hours and then reassemble in series for another discharge test, then another charge through the MPPT to see if that 30mV high/low cell difference is gone at the same charge rate. I don't know if that's to be expected, this is my first time doing a proper top balance.

Just watched Will's video on the overkill solar bms and damn do I have cell envy. Would almost be worth getting in to 3d printing to try and make the cell caps that the Fortune cells have. Minimal bulk added, compression and mounting options all in one, terminal protection, a shelf for BMS or breaker. Would be so damn nice.
 
I suppose I may have had better luck ordering 8 and picking out the four best ones.

Seems like cell 3 (slightly bloated upon receiving) is still behaving weird. I can rule out the balance harness (replaced) and device (visible on both hobby charger and smart bms.) I can also rule out the bus bars as I'm sure I've mixed those up a dozen times and flipped them over. Cells 1 and 2 are perfect, always within 3mV from each other @ 0.2c. Cell 4 is within 8mV of those. And dreaded cell 3 is 40mV and seems a little jumpier.

Funny that for the last 4 builds now my crummiest cell has ended up as cell 3 by complete coincidence. One of those builds used 90ah decade-old K2 cells, of which one (cell 3) is crappy and limits the pack to 70ah. I ordered these to replace those :LOL:
 
I suppose I may have had better luck ordering 8 and picking out the four best ones.

Seems like cell 3 (slightly bloated upon receiving) is still behaving weird. I can rule out the balance harness (replaced) and device (visible on both hobby charger and smart bms.) I can also rule out the bus bars as I'm sure I've mixed those up a dozen times and flipped them over. Cells 1 and 2 are perfect, always within 3mV from each other @ 0.2c. Cell 4 is within 8mV of those. And dreaded cell 3 is 40mV and seems a little jumpier.

Funny that for the last 4 builds now my crummiest cell has ended up as cell 3 by complete coincidence. One of those builds used 90ah decade-old K2 cells, of which one (cell 3) is crappy and limits the pack to 70ah. I ordered these to replace those :LOL:
A few comments. Have you tried shuffling the order of the cells? Second, seems that 40mv would not curtail 30Ah off the capacity :unsure: . Does the 70Ah capacity include the above 90% and below 10% "buffers"? What are you using as your upper and lower voltage disconnect parameter?
 
A few comments. Have you tried shuffling the order of the cells? Second, seems that 40mv would not curtail 30Ah off the capacity :unsure: . Does the 70Ah capacity include the above 90% and below 10% "buffers"? What are you using as your upper and lower voltage disconnect parameter?
Sorry, that 70ah figure is for the pack this build is destine to replace. I have not tried shuffling the cells but those past builds were all using different equipment, so it's just a fluke.

I ran another discharge test but didn't take it to low voltage cutoff. This was following the top balance. I pulled 93ah out @ 13a before cell 3 started to get in to the high 2.8's and the delta had grown to 90mV. I'm recharging now @ 25 amps with a 55mV difference, cell 3 being max as one would expect having the smallest capacity. Perhaps related to the bloated state the cell was received in.
 
Sorry, that 70ah figure is for the pack this build is destine to replace. I have not tried shuffling the cells but those past builds were all using different equipment, so it's just a fluke.

I ran another discharge test but didn't take it to low voltage cutoff. This was following the top balance. I pulled 93ah out @ 13a before cell 3 started to get in to the high 2.8's and the delta had grown to 90mV. I'm recharging now @ 25 amps with a 55mV difference, cell 3 being max as one would expect having the smallest capacity. Perhaps related to the bloated state the cell was received in.
I'd try shuffling the cells for the hell of it, and see if what was cell 3 is still temperamental. I'd swap inside cells with outside cells...or if original configuration was 1-2-3-4, I'd reorder to 3-1-4-2. Xuba recommended this when my 280Ah cells were exhibiting similar mv delta. See what happens. Be interesting.
 
The next chapter. In parallel, all cells topped off at 3.65V. Cells arrived at 3.020, 3.002, 2.999, 2.998. It took several days to fully charge with that small bench charger I have. Since I am waiting on the BMS delivery, I didn't want to leave them at top charge, and took them down to 3.3v. When the BMS gets here, I will do capacity test.
 
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Got em,

Cells were at:L
2.97, 2.99, 2.99 & 2.99

The BLACK ringed post is POSITIVE?
hmm, not sure what standard that is for DC cells.
 
Got em,

Cells were at:L
2.97, 2.99, 2.99 & 2.99

The BLACK ringed post is POSITIVE?
hmm, not sure what standard that is for DC cells.
I drew a red marker + on the top and sides of each cell. I just knew I wouldn't be thinking and look at that black ring and think it was negative and fry something
 
What enclosures will fit 4 of these?

Small ammo can?
Thats a good question. I haven't found anything that I am real happy with. I have a 16" tool box from walmart. The batt fits laying on its side about perfectly, with the Overkill BMS. But the tool box is much longer than necessary.

The other thing I tried is a little Igloo cooler. Not a bad fit, but a little larger all around. I don't have any pics with the batt installed, but these are the items

I would love to see something better
 

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Thats a good question. I haven't found anything that I am real happy with. I have a 16" tool box from walmart. The batt fits laying on its side about perfectly, with the Overkill BMS. But the tool box is much longer than necessary.

The other thing I tried is a little Igloo cooler. Not a bad fit, but a little larger all around. I don't have any pics with the batt installed, but these are the items

I would love to see something better
Yak guy, nice, waterproof or at least splash proof will be nice, I will dig in my garage tomorrow at lunch and see what I can find.
 
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