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Dr Strangetroll : or how I learned to stop arguing and be amused by the intransigence

Dhasper said:
Yes, I think the adverse effects data is reliable.

Weeding down into a specific case may be difficult, or impossible, (e.g. why did so and so have a stoke five days after the vaccine) but they do know the normal background rates and statistics are very reliable on a population-wide basis.

The mechanism is specific enough that they were able to identify the clotting problem with J & J and the myocarditis problem in young males from the mRNA vaccines even though in both instances you are talking about a low number in the context of millions of shots given.
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The adverse outcomes reported to VAERS are probably mostly accurate, few false reports, some large number of adverse outcomes not reported.
Whether caused by vaccine or just another background case, have to compare to background data to determine if there is a signal.

The medical establishment spouts false reports, like Bells Palsy occurrence among mRNA recipients during phase-3 trials being background rate. They were 5x background rate. Placebo group was background rate.

I'm inclined to think the people reporting that were incompetent in statistics, rather than deliberately lying. But it further encourages me to take anything the government or other establishment says with a grain of salt.

myocarditis among 15 to 17 year old males is about 70x background. But only for 1 week, so total risk isn't as highly elevated as the number might appear to suggest.

There is a massive amount of adverse outcomes in the general population, the background rate.
The very fact we already had names for the ailments proves that.
 
BMcL said:
The only one killed was a 110 lb woman by a racist cop . Will he ever be held accountable ?
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Not sure about the laws which apply in Washington DC and the halls of Congress.

But in California, deadly force is legal to protect yourself or others from death or serious bodily harm.
And, if someone enters your dwelling by force, you may presume they intend to cause you such harm. (with exception if intruder is current or former resident, significant other, relative.)

That cop's job was to protect the legislators, who had not yet been evacuated from that room.
Although he would not have known her history, we've since read of her violent attack on someone else.
Once those doors were breached, the floodgates would have been open, just like the exterior doors to the building.
 
Dhasper said:
For BMcl to have a doctor son, the kid was either adopted, or BMcl somehow impregnated a genius woman that left him long ago.
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I dont know much about him but that 67 chevelle big block is a pretty expensive project, tribute (non SS but badged as) cars going for 50k, if his is the real deal #138 model its worth tens of thou more.
You suppose he got that kind of money flippin burgers?
BMcL said:
You are 100% correct. But don't think the media is convincing anyone except democrats that jan 6th was a "horrific day."
LOL Did you see Tucker Carlson rake Ted Cruz over the coals for saying Jan 6th was a "terrorist attack?"
Poor ol' Ted was apologizing and begging forgiveness. I'd say 65% of americans know that Jan 6th was a protest that got "slightly out of control."
The only one killed was a 110 lb woman by a racist cop . Will he ever be held accountable ?
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That woman, an air force veteran, lived about 3 miles from me. One hard left local blogger and his audience made brutal comments, about her getting what she had coming.
 
Hedges said:
Not sure about the laws which apply in Washington DC and the halls of Congress.

But in California, deadly force is legal to protect yourself or others from death or serious bodily harm.
And, if someone enters your dwelling by force, you may presume they intend to cause you such harm. (with exception if intruder is current or former resident, significant other, relative.)

That cop's job was to protect the legislators, who had not yet been evacuated from that room.
Although he would not have known her history, we've since read of her violent attack on someone else.
Once those doors were breached, the floodgates would have been open, just like the exterior doors to the building.
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I think the law also only allows actions based on actual threats before you, not sheer speculation about things that might happen.
 
Batvette said:
I dont know much about him but that 67 chevelle big block is a pretty expensive project, tribute (non SS but badged as) cars going for 50k, if his is the real deal #138 model its worth tens of thou more.
You suppose he got that kind of money flippin burgers?

That woman, an air force veteran, lived about 3 miles from me. One hard left local blogger and his audience made brutal comments, about her getting what she had coming.
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She deserved to die. I'm an air force veteran, and if I stormed our capitol building chanting "hang Mike Pence" and other violent rhetoric, I would fully expect to die as well.

The protestors are lucky I wasn't one of those cops because my biggest problem would have been finding more ammo after unloading every magazine I was carrying.

Those cops should have been given awards for showing so much restraint.
 
Batvette said:
I think the law also only allows actions based on actual threats before you, not sheer speculation about things that might happen.
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Certain crimes (rape, murder, robbery) are itemized as ones considered under the law as representing such a threat.
A person (not on the list of exceptions) entering your home by force, such as breaking a window or door jam, is also listed in the laws.
The mere fact they enter your house that way is sufficient cause for you to presume they intend to cause you serious bodily harm or death, and it is legal for you to use all necessary force to stop them, up to and including deadly force.

During the January 6th incident, that woman entered by force into a room where armed guards were protecting elected officials. During a riot, with the building overrun. In which some people had the stated objective of capturing and executing elected officials.
I have no problem at all with deadly force being used to stop intruders such as her under those circumstances. I'm not sure what the laws there are, if intrusion alone was sufficient cause or if other factors would be required in that instance.
 
Hedges said:
Certain crimes (rape, murder, robbery) are itemized as ones considered under the law as representing such a threat.
A person (not on the list of exceptions) entering your home by force, such as breaking a window or door jam, is also listed in the laws.
The mere fact they enter your house that way is sufficient cause for you to presume they intend to cause you serious bodily harm or death, and it is legal for you to use all necessary force to stop them, up to and including deadly force.

During the January 6th incident, that woman entered by force into a room where armed guards were protecting elected officials. During a riot, with the building overrun. In which some people had the stated objective of capturing and executing elected officials.
I have no problem at all with deadly force being used to stop intruders such as her under those circumstances. I'm not sure what the laws there are, if intrusion alone was sufficient cause or if other factors would be required in that instance.
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I dont think any provision of any law in any jurisdiction exists that allows a law enforcement officer to shoot and kill an unarmed trespasser who is sufficient distance away from them to preclude a threat to their person. Can you provide a precedent of this ever happening?
The only thing remotely comparable are white house intrusions, and in a number of cases secret service did shoot intruders, but in every case the individual was armed with a gun. This article details a 2014 incident where a man with a knife was stopped without firing, and two more the same month.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...they-deserve-praise-for-not-opening-fire.html
The woman was 110lbs. Not carrying a weapon. Participating in a peaceful protest that got a little out of hand and concerning threats to harm politicians none of that actually happened and its not been proven that any of these LEOs had been issued advance intelligence of any such intentions. In fact thats the whole point of the hearings, they claim- that capital police were completely unprepared and didnt know what was coming. Theyve since turned it into the latest conspiracy theory to get DJT.
 
MurphyGuy said:
She deserved to die. I'm an air force veteran, and if I stormed our capitol building chanting "hang Mike Pence" and other violent rhetoric, I would fully expect to die as well.

The protestors are lucky I wasn't one of those cops because my biggest problem would have been finding more ammo after unloading every magazine I was carrying.

Those cops should have been given awards for showing so much restraint.
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Hedges said:
Certain crimes (rape, murder, robbery) are itemized as ones considered under the law as representing such a threat.
A person (not on the list of exceptions) entering your home by force, such as breaking a window or door jam, is also listed in the laws.
The mere fact they enter your house that way is sufficient cause for you to presume they intend to cause you serious bodily harm or death, and it is legal for you to use all necessary force to stop them, up to and including deadly force.

During the January 6th incident, that woman entered by force into a room where armed guards were protecting elected officials. During a riot, with the building overrun. In which some people had the stated objective of capturing and executing elected officials.
I have no problem at all with deadly force being used to stop intruders such as her under those circumstances. I'm not sure what the laws there are, if intrusion alone was sufficient cause or if other factors would be required in that instance.
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The question is not WHY deadly force was used but WHY MORE WAS NOT used.
 
Batvette said:
I dont think any provision of any law in any jurisdiction exists that allows a law enforcement officer to shoot and kill an unarmed trespasser who is sufficient distance away from them to preclude a threat to their person. Can you provide a precedent of this ever happening?
The only thing remotely comparable are white house intrusions, and in a number of cases secret service did shoot intruders, but in every case the individual was armed with a gun. This article details a 2014 incident where a man with a knife was stopped without firing, and two more the same month.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...they-deserve-praise-for-not-opening-fire.html
The woman was 110lbs. Not carrying a weapon. Participating in a peaceful protest that got a little out of hand and concerning threats to harm politicians none of that actually happened and its not been proven that any of these LEOs had been issued advance intelligence of any such intentions. In fact thats the whole point of the hearings, they claim- that capital police were completely unprepared and didnt know what was coming. Theyve since turned it into the latest conspiracy theory to get DJT.
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Okay, you try charging the president and see how it works out for you.

Sorry, you can't break down the doors of Congress screaming you want to kill the Speaker of the House and hang the Vice President.

They could not allow that door to be breached until everyone was to safety.

Do you honestly think you can try to kidnap an elected US official and not get shot by bodyguards? How insane are you? Don't answer I know.
 
Dhasper said:
What I look for in a doctor is having him follow the advice of his hillbilly, conspiracy raddled, utility worker. father.
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A lot of doctors have come out questioning the risk/benefit of vaccinating young children. I mean, a LOT. Im all for following the science, whats it say for vaccinating 4 yos? Whats their fatality rate for covid?
 
Batvette said:
A lot of doctors have come out questioning the risk/benefit of vaccinating young children. I mean, a LOT. Im all for following the science, whats it say for vaccinating 4 yos? Whats their fatality rate for covid?
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There is NO APPROVED VACCINE FOR 4-year-olds.

IF they get one approved then we can look at those trials and safety data. You and the other conspiracy theorists constantly talk about mandates that don't exist and create every other type of logical error conceivable. I honestly have no idea how any of you even get online? Do you have home health aides?
 
Johnson said:
That is not how it works, I earned my money as an electrician, that does not mean that alternating current does not exist.
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There's plenty of tradesmen out there who either make up, or make problems to fix for more money too.
 
Dhasper said:
Okay, you try charging the president and see how it works out for you.

Sorry, you can't break down the doors of Congress screaming you want to kill the Speaker of the House and hang the Vice President.

They could not allow that door to be breached until everyone was to safety.

Do you honestly think you can try to kidnap an elected US official and not get shot by bodyguards? How insane are you? Don't answer I know.
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Who got even remotely close to kidnapping an official? What does that have to do with ashley babbit who is not on record as saying any such thing or any such intent?
Law enforcement does NOT have any policy directives to open fire randomly on unarmed persons not posing a direct threat to them.
 
Dhasper said:
There is NO APPROVED VACCINE FOR 4-year-olds.

IF they get one approved then we can look at those trials and safety data. You and the other conspiracy theorists constantly talk about mandates that don't exist and create every other type of logical error conceivable. I honestly have no idea how any of you even get online? Do you have home health aides?
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Lets get back on topic. You belittled him for suggesting to his physician son that endless boosters for children are unnecessary. Suggesting that only "hillbilly, conspiracy raddled, utility worker. fathers" would take such a position is idiocy.
The very fact a vaccine for four year olds has not yet been developed proves it isnt necessary.
 
Batvette said:
I wont deny being wrong about some things, but that was a dozen years ago and certainly not posted here.
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Oh...so you only USED to believe in conspiracy theories...not anymore?

You still believe in the chemtrails and the artificial clouds that create magnetic interference?

You believe that tRump said that Ted Cruz rigged a primary in 2016?

You believe that tRump said the Emmys was rigged that he wouldn't win an Emmy with the Apprentice?
 
Batvette said:
Lets get back on topic. You belittled him for suggesting to his physician son that endless boosters for children are unnecessary. Suggesting that only "hillbilly, conspiracy raddled, utility worker. fathers" would take such a position is idiocy.
The very fact a vaccine for four year olds has not yet been developed proves it isnt necessary.
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Super capacitors are not commercialy available, does that mean that they are not necessary?
 
Batvette said:
Lets get back on topic. You belittled him for suggesting to his physician son that endless boosters for children are unnecessary. Suggesting that only "hillbilly, conspiracy raddled, utility worker. fathers" would take such a position is idiocy.
The very fact a vaccine for four year olds has not yet been developed proves it isnt necessary.
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It doesn't prove that at all. They have it in trials and are working on the dosing. Read a paper. It helps.

You are new on this thread. BMcl is in fact from the Tennesse hills outside of Nashville. He is a utility worker for the water company. He believes in multiple conspiracy theories and repeats them here often.
 
bradbill said:
Oh...so you only USED to believe in conspiracy theories...not anymore?

You still believe in the chemtrails and the artificial clouds that create magnetic interference?

You believe that tRump said that Ted Cruz rigged a primary in 2016?

You believe that tRump said the Emmys was rigged that he wouldn't win an Emmy with the Apprentice?
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Right he doesn't believe in conspiracy theories except that Trump won the election, January 6 was peaceful and vaccines don't work. Other than that he is the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
Batvette said:
Lets get back on topic. You belittled him for suggesting to his physician son that endless boosters for children are unnecessary. Suggesting that only "hillbilly, conspiracy raddled, utility worker. fathers" would take such a position is idiocy.
The very fact a vaccine for four year olds has not yet been developed proves it isnt necessary.
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Super capacitors are not commercialy available, does that mean that they are not necessary?
 
Dhasper said:
I am sure it does. The cure for all cancers is not available. Obviously, not necessary.
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The cure for most cancers is available, the vast majority of the population is just to lazy and hedonistic to implement.
 
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bradbill said:
Oh...so you only USED to believe in conspiracy theories...not anymore?

You still believe in the chemtrails and the artificial clouds that create magnetic interference?

You believe that tRump said that Ted Cruz rigged a primary in 2016?

You believe that tRump said the Emmys was rigged that he wouldn't win an Emmy with the Apprentice?
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Why are you fabricating things Ive never commented on?

Why dont you stick to what Ive posted here instead, which is that:

1, solid, verifiable evidence exists that the 2020 election was rigged, I provided a link to support that.

2, thusly, Donald Trumps claims prior to and on jan 6 were not baseless as the media claims still today.

3, consequently, the rationale you used to vote against him is just plain wrong but youd rather spend time trying to dig up things about me on the internet rather than admit your side cheated to put an inept moron in charge who would destroy the country for a few million future democrat votes.

I dont think youre a republican or ever were.
 
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