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Using excess solar to heat house

I guess why so many of these post go sideways is because of differences of interpretation of what is said. You have a lot of engineers on here and when we hear statements like: “ could significantly reduce gas or oil use for central heating.” Our minds interpret the word “significantly” a lot differently than you might.
 
I guess why so many of these post go sideways is because of differences of interpretation of what is said. You have a lot of engineers on here and when we hear statements like: “ could significantly reduce gas or oil use for central heating.” Our minds interpret the word “significantly” a lot differently than you might.
Well you can discuss it and discuss if it is cost effective or not. Or you can shut the whole thing down by saying it isn't possible and no further discussion.
Which is completely ridiculous since people are doing it already.

For us, we are a family with a grid connected home. We are basically looking at a shortage of 1000kWh in the winter.
But that means is the rest of the time we can rely on our own solar (and we are exporting much more into the grid)
And 1000kWh isn't very much considering we do everything electrically, heating and hot water as well.

Coming from October into November, it was pretty dramatic, directly needing the grid to heat the house because it become cold and dark for a longer time. But now in Spring season, it is very different. Sun is higher, heating has already run directly on solar power quite some days and this is just the start.
As I am writing this, solar is taking over the heating power load in my house this morning.
 
I honestly wish the OP the best of luck with his plans but speaking from experience and others around me in the UK who I know well and do live practically off grid, this just isn't feasible especially in the northern hemisphere of the UK region, trying to run an electric inline 12kWh water heater from 5kWp of PV and a 7kWh battery for central heating purposes in the colder months, whilst also trying to charge a 7.2kW battery pack and run the base load of a house. Simple math dictates that in the winter ( at a stretch you could say from October to March) in the UK you need heating the most. Example....Two hours of heating, that's 24Kwh used, that's your battery empty after 40 minutes if already charged , and you have also exceeded your PV capacity (during the daylight) already and you're back to grid draw to supplement, you might as well have saved the £900 + fitting, plus rewire costs to support a 12kW load and just used the gas boiler you already have in place, Yep its not as green or environmentally friendly, but neither is chucking a load of money at somthing which you wont be able to run off grid ever with your current planned PV system?
I didn’t say I was going for a 12kwh water heater (even I know that’s not going to work), it was primarily about an electric flow heater, which can be as low as 2kwh. That said I take your point and will see how I get on, if indeed I do anything at all
 
Defiantly not efficient or probably even a good use of my extra power. But I installed a electric fireplace to help burn off excess production when cold. However it does help with my sanity and mental state ?. In the summer I run several air conditioners.
 
Mini-splits are a very efficient way to heat and cool a space.
Indeed. My son has 2 kW of solar on his old motor home, along with a 9,000 BTU-hr mini split (EER=16.5). On sunny days his batteries are usually topped off early enough to get a few hours of heating in before the sun is down. This is in fall and spring on the CA west coast. If the forecast is for sun, he will also run the mini split for night heat (set at 50-55F).
 
Defiantly not efficient or probably even a good use of my extra power. But I installed a electric fireplace to help burn off excess production when cold. However it does help with my sanity and mental state ?. In the summer I run several air conditioners.
I did the same thing with resistance heaters and window AC units until I got a mini-split - now I run that in heating/cooling to assist the central system. Everything in my house runs off-grid except the electric clothes drier and the outdoor central AC compressor. During the summer I'll always have a "cold room" if the main power goes out.
 
Speaking of burning off extra power, I find this shop heater really handy to do that because you can select 3kw, 4kw, or 5kw depending on how much you need to burn in the winter time! Works great.

Nice I could see myself throwing something like this in my garage at some point. I've got a wifi controlled 1.5 KW heater in my shed to keep my batteries warm and love it.
 
I did the same thing with resistance heaters and window AC units until I got a mini-split - now I run that in heating/cooling to assist the central system. Everything in my house runs off-grid except the electric clothes drier and the outdoor central AC compressor. During the summer I'll always have a "cold room" if the main power goes out.
Nice I'm defiantly going to install some mini splits at some point. I've thought about changing my electric dryer for a gas unit at some point. Just because I would not have anything using split phase. Then again a 220 volt hot tub sure sounds nice. ? Even though its a total waste of power.
 
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i use thermosyphon solar. its passive solar but works great on my metal building. my system doesnt have excess in winter, but does in summer as well. I dont care, ihave huge propane tank and generators if solar is not cutting it. Cut the cord to the grid years ago.
 
i use thermosyphon solar. its passive solar but works great on my metal building. my system doesnt have excess in winter, but does in summer as well. I dont care, ihave huge propane tank and generators if solar is not cutting it. Cut the cord to the grid years ago.
I’m not allowed to cut the cord in my suburban environment (albeit in the middle of the desert in the same climate as Las Vegas), so my goal is to get the best ROI for as little as possible, while still having a reasonable amount of independence if everything goes sideways. I’ve found it’s pretty easy to deal with 90% of my load 90% of the time. To deal with the other 10% would require like four times the size of system than what I have.

If you look at it as trying to cover 100% of your needs it will be difficult. If you look at it as always having the grid but opportunistically displacing your usage than you can get the most for the least. It is an extension of a builditsolar.com type philosophy.
 
If you buy propane from some place, you still haven't reached energy independence. And in many places it would be more expensive as well.
 
@HighCountry2020 Yes. I am in Europe. Very much gas reliant unfortunately.
However, putting a gas tank in the garden is not better than using it indirectly.

For me I am only short of roughly 1000kWh during the winter. Which I take from the grid.
I will not going to take some small generator to make up that last part, unless energy systems start failing. I could decide that for next winter.
But for now, I don't want to put a small generator next to my house if the big generator in a power plant is more efficient and still reliable.

But my house isn't the problem. The whole society is leaning to much on gas, and has been switching to gas in recent years.
 
That is true. However it is wise to not put all your eggs in one basket so maybe a diverse energy strategy is worth the added cost and hassle.
I can think of several examples where solar will fail 100% but diesel, propane, and firewood will not. Could mean the difference of pumping water or not or staying warm or cool. I think Europe/Germany may be figuring this out as well.
Ding ding ding! winner of the smart post award.
 
@HighCountry2020 Yes. I am in Europe. Very much gas reliant unfortunately.
However, putting a gas tank in the garden is not better than using it indirectly.

For me I am only short of roughly 1000kWh during the winter. Which I take from the grid.
I will not going to take some small generator to make up that last part, unless energy systems start failing. I could decide that for next winter.
But for now, I don't want to put a small generator next to my house if the big generator in a power plant is more efficient and still reliable.

But my house isn't the problem. The whole society is leaning to much on gas, and has been switching to gas in recent years.
add a wood fired stove and set a saw off to the side. even if its currently looked down upon, when the SHTF and you have a chainsaw a wood stove and firewood, you can heat, cook sterilize and bathe. FTMFW. BTW the chainsaw can be run on a mixture of animal fat and alcohol.
 
I'm not worried about what people think that's why I have a diverse energy supply and that includes solar as well as fossil fuels and firewood.
If I could have my own oil well and refinery I would and I would be energy independent but the closest I can come to that is solar and maybe some wind and firewood.

To believe Al Gore and the end of everything due to global warming is nonsense. These are the same people in charge who lied to everyone about covid and the mrna vaccine as well. Bottom line is you can't trust them and far better to use your own brain than rely on someone else's.
good answer sir, good answer!
 
add a wood fired stove and set a saw off to the side. even if its currently looked down upon, when the SHTF and you have a chainsaw a wood stove and firewood, you can heat, cook sterilize and bathe. FTMFW. BTW the chainsaw can be run on a mixture of animal fat and alcohol.
I have a battery operated chainsaw which is brilliant power wise & I can charge off my solar panels!!
 
add a wood fired stove and set a saw off to the side. even if its currently looked down upon, when the SHTF and you have a chainsaw a wood stove and firewood, you can heat, cook sterilize and bathe. FTMFW. BTW the chainsaw can be run on a mixture of animal fat and alcohol.

The house is pretty new and it is not even finished. In purely renewables, I was thinking of making the battery bigger (up to 100kWh) and placing a windmill (there is lots of wind in the winter) as well as a recycle shower.

That way it will become even less, below 500kWh.

I could add a woodstove and use its heat. I would not need so much. I have some laying around, and I would just order a pallet.
We typically have some way to cook anyway.

Lets say that we will see how it goes up to next winter. And it isn't that hard for me to change it.
 
I have a battery operated chainsaw which is brilliant power wise & I can charge off my solar panels!!
I am a chainsaw enthusiast. I have been waiting for the batteries to come up a little more in capacity before i commit, but I have been watching the batter ones real close lately. currently i use about 7 meters³ per year to heat on the weekends and the occasional long stay at the cabin. I split using a hydraulic splitter I built from scrap with a 8hp petrol engine, but I have a spare electric motor and a smaller pump that I could change and still use the splitter. it would a lot slower in comparison to the gasoline engine, but I have the parts already stocked.
 
I am a chainsaw enthusiast. I have been waiting for the batteries to come up a little more in capacity before i commit, but I have been watching the batter ones real close lately. currently i use about 7 meters³ per year to heat on the weekends and the occasional long stay at the cabin. I split using a hydraulic splitter I built from scrap with a 8hp petrol engine, but I have a spare electric motor and a smaller pump that I could change and still use the splitter. it would a lot slower in comparison to the gasoline engine, but I have the parts already stocked.
I know it's off topic, but as an enthusiast what's your opinion on the Einhell Power X-Change 10 inch 18V Cordless Chainsaw model GE-LC 18/25 Li With 3.0 Ah Battery (it's the one I have)

I bought it as I have a number of Ozito and Einhell tools and the batteries are interchangeable. Been using it to take down a few trees and think it's a great electric chainsaw
 
The house is pretty new and it is not even finished. In purely renewables, I was thinking of making the battery bigger (up to 100kWh) and placing a windmill (there is lots of wind in the winter) as well as a recycle shower.

That way it will become even less, below 500kWh.

I could add a woodstove and use its heat. I would not need so much. I have some laying around, and I would just order a pallet.
We typically have some way to cook anyway.

Lets say that we will see how it goes up to next winter. And it isn't that hard for me to change it.
just add a small stove as an emergency backup. even fed with dead fall scraps it can put out a lot of heat during the coldest hours, as well as cook. one of my favorites is deer stew on top of the wood stove. takes about 5 or 8 hours on low heat, but its free, heat and food at the same time. and you can do that bare minimum just off of scraps that fall through the year. That coupled with a geo thermal heat pump and you can heat and cool the house even with a small battery bank. mine is only 30kw (48 volt) and I manage pretty well. never below about 23°c in the coldest months. I only use the heat pump in the spring to dry out the house from humidity, but I could heat the house to about 15°c in the winter even without fire wood. Its all about balance. I just wish I had a good spring or stream next to the house... thats 24/7 power for free, even if its low output.
 

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