Coming Energy Prices …..

BillSF said:

I'll probably eventually install a mini split heat pump (to replace inefficient 10 kW heater) that's more solar friendly. Despite being redundant with the heat pump and off-grid solar, I'll probably also install a wood stove because I have a nearly unlimited amount of wood.

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When it comes to heat that you need there is no such thing as redundant. I would make the heat pump a priority though. Don't need to go mini-split unless solar compatibility or some other factor is your priority-- a heat pump furnace will still pay for itself quickly.

BillSF said:

...I just like being self-reliant and the world is in a very unstable place currently.

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I like to think that this is the apolitical take on OP's comment, independent of the source. One could argue the source is a symptom (if not cause) of the instability, but that is a topic for a very different website.

Shimmy said:

When it comes to heat that you need there is no such thing as redundant. I would make the heat pump a priority though. Don't need to go mini-split unless solar compatibility or some other factor is your priority-- a heat pump furnace will still pay for itself quickly.

I like to think that this is the apolitical take on OP's comment, independent of the source. One could argue the source is a symptom (if not cause) of the instability, but that is a topic for a very different website.

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I have not seen a heat pump that can beat NG in cost to operate.

There was a guy that installed a central air HP unit in Fargo. It was -22F outside and it was running at 4,600 watts.

Danke said:

I have not seen a heat pump that can beat NG in cost to operate.

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It will be interesting to see this winter in the US. I agree that used to be the case though.

Danke said:

There was a guy that installed a central air HP unit in Fargo. It was -22F outside and it was running at 4,600 watts.

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Doesn't tell much unless you have the heat output of the furnace. But at -22F it isn't going to be very efficient. The idea is for it to be more efficient for the season as a whole.

Shimmy said:

When it comes to heat that you need there is no such thing as redundant. I would make the heat pump a priority though. Don't need to go mini-split unless solar compatibility or some other factor is your priority-- a heat pump furnace will still pay for itself quickly.

I like to think that this is the apolitical take on OP's comment, independent of the source. One could argue the source is a symptom (if not cause) of the instability, but that is a topic for a very different website.

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Your last paragraph is totally correct.. it is hard to do or say anything today with out it being filtered through someones view on politics or social leanings ……there is huge money in the reporting of the turmoil that exists… and helping to sustain it…the choreographed media “sides” that exist ,do so nowdays to stir the pot as viewers and clicks = money….” If it bleeds,it leads “ ..

we are all being played like a kitten chasing a lazar dot, while all that watch are laughing ….
that why I refuse to debate or argue with people about what is good / bad/ right / wrong / crazy /sane Politically. Your not Gona change them and they can’t change you… what’s the point…?

I spend my time accruing new skills ,and knowledge of how to be self reliant and investing in good Toys for an uncertain future…been doing it for a very long time…
im glad to see others out there that in their own way are doing the same…
jim.

Jim H said:

This is totally a solar/ alternative energy topic, NOT a political one…..
Everyone with the roll of being the family provider,( whatever that means anymore) should watch Tucker Carlson tonite..8 29 22.( 16 min energy segment) utube, tv, whatever….. this is happening all over the world and much of America is focused on who won a Hollywood actor award…or who is dating who………..
Whats happening with energy and cost and supply in Europe is mind boggling… and as always is a snapshot of what coming here……..It always has…always does….
If that’s not enough to make a person consider what to do ,then nothing will….

Build your system …
Build a system ….
Build some kind of system…
Just build somthing…..

J.

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sorry dont do tucker, no matter what reason

houseofancients said:

sorry dont do tucker, no matter what reason

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No reason to apologize. I feel that way about many of em myself….

With about 17 million British Thermal Units (BTU) worth of energy in a uranium pellet, it's no wonder that many are now looking at nuclear energy as a key piece to the clean energy puzzle.

During 2021, 19% of the uranium delivered was purchased under spot contracts at a weighted-average price of $30.56 per pound. The remaining 81% was purchased under long-term contracts at a weighted-average price of $34.71 per pound.

CANDU stands for Canada deuterium uranium, because it uses deuterium oxide (heavy water) as a moderator and coolant and uses natural (not enriched) uranium as a fuel. Innovative Canadian engineering allows CANDU reactors to be refuelled while operating at full power!

How can you have a discussion about energy without mentioning nuclear ?

Fox News is FAKE.

"The best way to control the opposition is to run it our selves"

Meanwhile this was funny

Europe has such an "energy crisis" that at 3am you can see it from Mars.



In Europe, street lighting consumes a significant amount of electricity: there are more than 56 million street lighting luminaires in operation, with an estimated electricity consumption of 35 TWh. 35,000,000,000,000 Watt Hours.

32 volt boater said:

Europe has such an "energy crisis" that at 3am you can see it from Mars.

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In Europe, street lighting consumes a significant amount of electricity: there are more than 56 million street lighting luminaires in operation, with an estimated electricity consumption of 35 TWh. 35,000,000,000,000 Watt Hours.

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Hell just turning off half of them would save a fortune..

Jim H said:

This is totally a solar/ alternative energy topic, NOT a political one…..
Everyone with the roll of being the family provider,( whatever that means anymore) should watch Tucker Carlson tonite..8 29 22.( 16 min energy segment) utube, tv, whatever….. this is happening all over the world and much of America is focused on who won a Hollywood actor award…or who is dating who………..
Whats happening with energy and cost and supply in Europe is mind boggling… and as always is a snapshot of what coming here……..It always has…always does….
If that’s not enough to make a person consider what to do ,then nothing will….

Build your system …
Build a system ….
Build some kind of system…
Just build somthing…..

J.

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Vast majority of people don’t do diy

Goboatingnow said:

Vast majority of people don’t do diy

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A bygone era I guess.

Fuel pricing outside of gas is stabilising , diesel have fallen well back from recent peaks. In Ireland when the tax take is nearly 60 percent on full it has fallen to €1.80fron high of €2.20. Last year typically €1.55-1.60

Proposed windfall company tax will penalise energy company profiteering of which there is considerable evidence they are.

I think we see stabilisation soon. Nationalisation of gas or energy could be an option most of Europe had historically publicly owned energy generation. That may reappear.

Goboatingnow said:

Vast majority of people don’t do diy

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They could.




Solar is no more complicated then car stereo.

If they can learn to pimp their rides they can learn to put up some solar too.

32 volt boater said:

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With about 17 million British Thermal Units (BTU) worth of energy in a uranium pellet, it's no wonder that many are now looking at nuclear energy as a key piece to the clean energy puzzle.

During 2021, 19% of the uranium delivered was purchased under spot contracts at a weighted-average price of $30.56 per pound. The remaining 81% was purchased under long-term contracts at a weighted-average price of $34.71 per pound.

CANDU stands for Canada deuterium uranium, because it uses deuterium oxide (heavy water) as a moderator and coolant and uses natural (not enriched) uranium as a fuel. Innovative Canadian engineering allows CANDU reactors to be refuelled while operating at full power!

How can you have a discussion about energy without mentioning nuclear ?

Fox News is FAKE.

"The best way to control the opposition is to run it out selves"

Meanwhile this was funny

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#1). All the networks are fake , but a few individuals on them seem to maintain a tat of honesty…btw , that’s a funny reply to a silly bartender….

#2 ) I do not know a lot about nuclear power as I have never deeply explored it…or I would know a great deal about it…..why , you ask…? Well, it will most likely come into it’s true role in our world after I’m gone… so it’s a moot issue to dwell on for me… but you younger guys will certainly have a lot of new doors to open as it ultimately will be a big part of whatever future we have.

#3 ) I hope that whoever is running this future earth remembers that self extinction through stupidity is “one“ of the possible reasons the Fermi Paradox suggests that we have never found aliens… (that the govt will disclose) ….where’s everybody at..? They should be everywhere by doing the math and the odds calculations , So say the experts…
one theory is that many civilizations that have evolved on different planets, manage to self destruct or be destroyed before they reach a point of advancement to actually leave their planet for space travel… we could just be another outbreak of goofballs that surfaced on a small planet in space for a short while that will do the same.

hopefully cooler heads will prevail in our case, but if you look at our history ,hmmmm..
You young studs will have to fix that nuclear issue ,not me .
Jim.

Goboatingnow said:

Vast majority of people don’t do diy

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It’s all DIY in the layman’s mind…as it was to me 3 years ago when I started fooling around and researching….. I chose the finished component ( battery’s) with me picking the other parts and doing everything else. … and it’s still a huge amount of work that is almost ready to try..
but the concept remains the same ,
build or buy somthing …..do somthing. Don’t rely on others …

Goboatingnow said:

Vast majority of people don’t do diy

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To be clear , I meant however you get there , GET THERE.
AIO is the future. For most folks I think… but it still has to get simpler ... call up have it done, turn it on , plug and play. .
the normal person in the world is not going to go through all the time ,work and learning curve this takes to do it well… it’s not how most people are wired…
J.

Jim H said:

This is totally a solar/ alternative energy topic, NOT a political one…..
Everyone with the roll of being the family provider,( whatever that means anymore) should watch Tucker Carlson tonite..8 29 22.( 16 min energy segment) utube, tv, whatever….. this is happening all over the world and much of America is focused on who won a Hollywood actor award…or who is dating who………..
Whats happening with energy and cost and supply in Europe is mind boggling… and as always is a snapshot of what coming here……..It always has…always does….
If that’s not enough to make a person consider what to do ,then nothing will….

Build your system …
Build a system ….
Build some kind of system…
Just build somthing…..

J.

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NG prices will go up until there is enough political pressure to drill.
It's not a resource problem.

That said, I like many here, have chosen to be able to be largely energy independent to isolate myself from....whatever insane policy is in favor at the moment.

Russia/Ukraine is a blip. Failure to harden and upgrade the grid, and the coming demands on it by EV's, and the fickleness of grid tie solar will cause prices to soar, and grid stability to decrease. Anyone from CA can tell you what this is like.....and unless you have hydro or nuke, it's coming soon to a theater near you.

32 volt boater said:

They could.

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Solar is no more complicated then car stereo.

If they can learn to pimp their rides they can learn to put up some solar too.

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Well, I have installed a few car stereo systems.

This solar stuff seems a lot more complicated for me so far.

Shimmy said:

It will be interesting to see this winter in the US. I agree that used to be the case though.

Doesn't tell much unless you have the heat output of the furnace. But at -22F it isn't going to be very efficient. The idea is for it to be more efficient for the season as a whole.

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Here is the video of that guy:

MurphyGuy said:

It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that Putin is nothing more than a mobster and would eventually bite them in the rear end.

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Russia invading Ukraine did not and does not make sense, they are loosing "most favoured nation" status on top of the sanctions already in place. Russia would have been much better off if they had dealt with corruption, improved infrastructure and joined the EU. Corruption does mean that their army, which is supposed to be the 2nd most powerful army in the world, is now struggling with overpowering the 22nd ranked army.

The question is if we are willing to pay higher energy prices for a couple of years in order to prevent nations invading other nations. After all we were sanctioning Iran and Venezuela as well, because we did not like what they were doing inside of their own borders...

The sooner we switch to renewables the better and technically there is no reason why we shouldn't get 90% of it from renewables.