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Sol-Ark 15K Rejected by PG&E in California

timselectric said:
In my area there's a charge for rain water run off from our property. It's usually added to the sewer bill. Because the same provider handles all drainage.
But, I'm not on sewers. So recently, it was added to my water bill.
Not sure what they will do, when I install my well. lol
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Do you own the mineral or water rights to you property?
 
On my property tax bill I pay for storm sewers even though I retain some of the rainwater on my property. It seems like a fair tax to not have flooding.
 
Goboatingnow said:
Well the issue is how to recover thd hige capital cost in maintaining a grid in are where it’s under-utilised due to widespread micro generation yet must be present for those where PV is not an option. The grid operator has tremendous fixed costs in people and infrastructure so these costs must be covered.

The solution of course is no feed in tarriffs at all. Why should the grid be forced to buy your electricity.
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Not to be playing devil's advocate, but ... many infrastructure projects were paid for by our tax dollars, electrifying the countryside was one of them. It was nearly impossible for one company, without taxpayer assistance, to absorb the huge cost of stringing miles of $ wire, or rail, in order to turn this country into a first world nation. It was seen as a national importance.

So yeah, I get it. Get everyone on board to spread out the costs.

Also, electrical needs are almost instantaneous, it's hard to store vast amounts of electricity that can be released when needed, which can also make member generators a liability. Too much input to the grid when the sun shines is an issue, just like not enough power to go around. And who generates electricity with solar at night? The vast majority still require 'base load' generated electricity.

The vast majority still need the grid, but by now, haven't we already paid for all the initial infrastructure?

YMMV
 
Ampster said:
On my property tax bill I pay for storm sewers even though I retain some of the rainwater on my property. It seems like a fair tax to not have flooding.
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I'm on a hillside. No problem with flooding for me.
But the properties at the bottom are the ones who need the storm drains. I don't think that I should pay for their bad location choices.
 
Ampster said:
They are a monopoly and are regulated. In California generation is deregulated and the Investor Owned Utilities had to spin off their generation They do receive compensation for distribution. Whether they have properly maintained and upgraded that network is up for debate. Because every state has different policies there is no simple answer, but this is a thread about a California Investor Owned Utility and California Renewable Portfolio Standards are relevant.
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Of course particular case is a particular case
 
Goboatingnow said:
Try telling that EU that , grids must be run as completely unsupported businesses. That used me the way now all electricity supply is privatised
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ha..
energy companies were privaticed in the 2000, only they werent..
they are owned here by german and swedish government.
electricty price is set by the highest cost producer : gas
orriginally instated to support going greener, now that 89% of electricity here is wind generated its just to shift wealth.

there is serious talk here to once again deprivatise the grid , as it should be

same for natural gas..
we're sitting on the biggest gas bubble in the western hemisphere here, but because of eu we cannot sell that to our own for less than market price, and are obligated to sell 90% to the eu at prices set in the 90's...

screw the eu, and the local politicians
 
houseofancients said:
ha..
energy companies were privaticed in the 2000, only they werent..
they are owned here by german and swedish government.
electricty price is set by the highest cost producer : gas
orriginally instated to support going greener, now that 89% of electricity here is wind generated its just to shift wealth.

there is serious talk here to once again deprivatise the grid , as it should be

same for natural gas..
we're sitting on the biggest gas bubble in the western hemisphere here, but because of eu we cannot sell that to our own for less than market price, and are obligated to sell 90% to the eu at prices set in the 90's...

screw the eu, and the local politicians
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I agree actually , most privatisation was a whitewash as governments retained “ golden shares “. I would personally kept the grid in full state ownership as the grid privatisation was a “ construct “ and an illusion . The EU centrally is modifying its perspective so I think a return to full or partial public ownership may be an increasing phenomenon. I think COVID has shown people what aggressive state intervention has done over poor private initiatives so there’s more expectation now for national Gov to “ step in “ whenever a problem arises.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out
 
realpinochet said:
Off grid is the way to go ..so if your social credit score gets too low for something you posted on facebook or that FJB flag in your front yard instead of the approved rainbow one they can't just shut your inverter down. These psychopaths are serious...you will own nothing and you will be happy.
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Be careful what you wish for…
 
Goboatingnow said:
I agree actually , most privatisation was a whitewash as governments retained “ golden shares “. I would personally kept the grid in full state ownership as the grid privatisation was a “ construct “ and an illusion . The EU centrally is modifying its perspective so I think a return to full or partial public ownership may be an increasing phenomenon. I think COVID has shown people what aggressive state intervention has done over poor private initiatives so there’s more expectation now for national Gov to “ step in “ whenever a problem arises.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out
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Unfortunately, the government isn't actually good at anything, so if we try to hand it back to them, it will be even worse than it is now.
 
David S said:
Unfortunately, the government isn't actually good at anything, so if we try to hand it back to them, it will be even worse than it is now.
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A perspective not shared by many , state run systems are like anything somevate great some are mediocre. Simply being commercial or privately owned doesn’t mean it’s well run either
 
realpinochet said:
I wish the government would just leave us alone and keep their hands out of our pockets...mabye stop warmongering to. Not too greedy of a ask is it?
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A very peculiar perspective. Personally I want Gov controlled education health , housing social welfare etc and social policy oh and roads and public transport to boot. Certainly commercial enterprises shouldn’t run monopoly sectors or manage key social programmes.

Warmongering being a big issue Eisenhower was right. Dismantle the military industrial complex to stop warmongering afaik
 
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