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EG4 new AIO rated 12K output and 18kPV aka "EG4-18Kpv-12LV"

Even my xw+ flickers when the grid tie inverters are producing limited power. I don't think you're ever going to eliminate it totally.

I'd totally go for this, 2 Infact, but after speaking to lux, you can't operate an AGS and Ac couple without settings changes on the inverter. That's a total deal breaker sadly.
good feedback, what if our chargeverter had bms comms and AGS?
 
good feedback, what if our chargeverter had bms comms and AGS?
AGS would be a start, a pair of programmable aux relay would be handy, one could be used for AGS. But the 100A is a bit small for my needs. I'd rather not run the generator daily and 1200Ah,+ would take ages at 100A to refill.

That brings up another point, I couldn't get an answer on if the lux aux relay is functional.

A further issue is the inverter can only ac couple on the gen port. Even if I DC coupled my main array, I have an AC coupled outbuilding, there is no realistic way to wire that building to the gen port - it's fed from the main panel board ie the eps port.

If lux/ss can get Ac couple to function on the EPS port that solves all the issue I have - other than aux relay. If not it's legacy companies like Schneider, Outback and sma.
 
AGS would be a start, a pair of programmable aux relay would be handy, one could be used for AGS. But the 100A is a bit small for my needs. I'd rather not run the generator daily and 1200Ah,+ would take ages at 100A to refill.

That brings up another point, I couldn't get an answer on if the lux aux relay is functional.

A further issue is the inverter can only ac couple on the gen port. Even if I DC coupled my main array, I have an AC coupled outbuilding, there is no realistic way to wire that building to the gen port - it's fed from the main panel board ie the eps port.

If lux/ss can get Ac couple to function on the EPS port that solves all the issue I have - other than aux relay. If not it's legacy companies like Schneider, Outback and sma.

AIO's don't seem like a good fit for your needs.
 
What about installing in California? Needs to be CEC listed to work with PG&E I believe. I seen the Fortress 12k is listed so hopefully this one will be as well?
 
It does have UL rated Arc fault, not sure I have seen a 1699 cert before but I'm sure we can get it
That would be great!
The R8KLNA (8k hybrid) cert from sgs included UL-1699B but the 18kpv-12lv cert/atm from intertek excluded it.

No idea how common it is to see enforced/checked but I'm assuming i need some sort of documentation if it gets questioned in permitting / inspection.

(I also need to know that it is functional)
 
I just noticed that it has a 16kW 5 minute surge rating. That could definitely come in handy for dealing with big intermittent loads.
 
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I'm having a tough time trying to figure out what can do a surge of 18kW. Maybe two air conditioners starting at the same time? I could run my Tesla car charger and then add a compressor but I doubt I can get anywhere close to that figure. Table saws and compressors are not hard to start with this size inverter.
Any big AC can do that. The surge on my 4 ton was around 27kW until I added a soft starter.
 
If you guys want me to test something, let me know.

I cannot release my results till I post my video on YouTube. But it's on my wall in front of me right now.
Arc fault circuit interrupt and RSD functionality are really important for this one.

RSD in the manual looks confusing but I'm planning on using tigo optimizer so really just need to know how to wire a "button" for the RSD initiation outside by the meter .

With no UL-1699B certificate in sight I'd be curious if afci iss working since the inverter it appears to be based on lists RSD and AFCI as "OPT".
Not sure there's a good test for that though. Could try setting up bad connections in a safe/fireproof area.

Either way, excited to see the new video. Hopefully eg4/SS can provide the certification/listing so it can meet code requirements.
 
Arc fault circuit interrupt and RSD functionality are really important for this one.

RSD in the manual looks confusing but I'm planning on using tigo optimizer so really just need to know how to wire a "button" for the RSD initiation outside by the meter .

With no UL-1699B certificate in sight I'd be curious if afci iss working since the inverter it appears to be based on lists RSD and AFCI as "OPT".
very good point(y).
That (UL-1699B cert) is the "must" to have. It always comes with both RSD n AFCI.
Can you pls advise where you saw the "RSD & AFCI as OPT"?
Thx
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Can these units be used outdoors?
Install manual shows it outside but I think it needs to be covered from rain/snow/runoff so not rain proof.


Can you pls advise where you saw the "RSD & AFCI as OPT"?

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With the 12k presumably as the "old version" or "based on" model. Manual+specs are pretty much identical other than branding at first glance.
Didn't see any added info for RSD or AFCI in the new EG4 manual.

 
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It always comes with both RSD n AFCI.

I see the test data in your screenshots which seems promising. I don't know where you see that though.

To clarify, I only see the letter from intertek on eg4's website which lacks UL-1699B (Linked from signature solar's product page)


Not really concerned that the luxpower model says optional. Just looking for confirmation that this eg4 model is "listed"

I'm hopefully just jumping the gun on not seeing the UL-1699B cert yet. Could be on the way as the intertek ATM letter for the other certifications was from just last week. it also doesn't even come up in intertek's product lookup yet. (As far as I could tell)
 
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Install manual shows it outside but I think it needs to be covered from rain/snow/runoff so not rain proof.




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With the 12k presumably as the "old version" or "based on" model. Manual+specs are pretty much identical other than branding at first glance.
Didn't see any added info for RSD or AFCI in the new EG4 manual.

Good catch! Thank you for bringing that to our attention. This information is outdated and needs to be updated. Also, for the RSD, just recently it got certified as “compatible with Tigo", before this it was only compatible with APS. @Markus_SignatureSolar
 
I see the test data in your screenshots which seems promising. I don't know where you see that though.

To clarify, I only see the letter from intertek on eg4's website which lacks UL-1699B (Linked from signature solar's product page)


Not really concerned that the luxpower model says optional. Just looking for confirmation that this eg4 model is "listed"

I'm hopefully just jumping the gun on not seeing the UL-1699B cert yet. Could be on the way as the intertek ATM letter for the other certifications was from just last week. it also doesn't even come up in intertek's product lookup yet. (As far as I could tell)
right. 1699B is only shown in the detailed test report, called 1741 supplement B. it's very important and a must before listing on CEC. thx
 
right. 1699B is only shown in the detailed test report, called 1741 supplement B. it's very important and a must before listing on CEC. thx
Thanks! That makes sense. Wish it was clearer from intertek somehow or they would just list it as well. but I'm guessing the inspector or plan review would go just fine then.
 
I would also like to know of this is high freq or low freq, if uses toroidal transformer, details on neutral ground bonding on multiple units in parallel, split phase details, anything else useful in making a purchase decision.

How does it compare to SolArk?
"Transformerless", High Frequency, just like the Sol-Ark.
Transformerless in this case just means no giant toroidal units like you would see in a Schneider, just small ferrite units.
 
(8250-5599)/8250= 32% reduced

$500 battery credit per inverter =$5099
8250-5099= 38% reduced

many cases where 1 15k will be slightly small an 18k will with the LoadSurge and line balance feature will do the job, (also 21kw max solar vs 17kW) the game is no longer direct convert to AC it is utilize and storage simultaneously. if you want a grid tie inverter the base growatts have good reliability and cost a quarter of the price.
The off-grid capacity is just a different world than the 15k, much better, (even doesn't make any of the cheap lights flicker that the 15k in our lab does)

There's the math folks. definitely a bet on a disrupter but very rewarding, thousands on hand in the next 30 days and the most trained and fully supported product ever from us.

There will be a serious shortening of RMA in the case of defective hardware; the human error variables of this unit with are wildly reduced compared to budget units; our conundrum of rapid service vs. not repeating the same issue 3 times with assuming the customer is right won't be here because of tech support will have remote access to firmware upgrade over the air, support and even commission alongside customers.

If I could do it over again we would have brought out the champagne first vs the rubbing alcohol to the DIY party as the champagne folks just won't put it down...
Going forward tinkerers will continue to benefit from improving and leading value products that fit their budget and if you want white glove you pay slightly more for white glove
You keep mentioning the flickering light issues with Sol Ark. I haven’t seen that discussion on this forum in regards to the Sol Ark but many many are reporting this issue with your inverters. Is this just projection or are you inventing issues to muddy the waters?
 

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