AZ Solar Junkie
Maricopa, AZ
Ha - like a drug dealer’s free sample ?
Victron is Over-priced Eurotrash. Why would anybody buy Victron over an AiO?
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SenileOldGit
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Isn't it incredible how this thread has descended into anything BUT actually discussing the topic itself... The last ten pages are basically nonsense and I wonder why the posters here are wasting other people's time, if you want to have private discussion about your garage/kitchen/anything but Victron - start a new thread?
Because Victron owners know they have spent far more than they should have, and could have doubled their solar panel array for the extra money they spent on Victron components.
By the way, I have a Victron Lynx Power In and a Victron Lynx Distributor - very nice and high quality, not ridiculously expensive and they do the job perfectly.
But all in ones are now around £500 - £700 for a 5kW inverter, which you can parallel up to 45kW (99.9% of houses are not going to need more than 15kW, probably 95% of houses won't need more than 10kW.)
Because Victron owners know they have spent far more than they should have, and could have doubled their solar panel array for the extra money they spent on Victron components.
By the way, I have a Victron Lynx Power In and a Victron Lynx Distributor - very nice and high quality, not ridiculously expensive and they do the job perfectly.
But all in ones are now around £500 - £700 for a 5kW inverter, which you can parallel up to 45kW (99.9% of houses are not going to need more than 15kW, probably 95% of houses won't need more than 10kW.)
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sunshine_eggo
Happy Breffast!
It's pretty clear that you haven't bothered to read anything and are just regurgitating your prior stated bias (you were among my muses for this thread). The past two pages have been almost exclusively about Victron.
This is laughable. Make sure you cover every other major brand - Schneider, Outback, Magnum, SMA, Midnite, Sol-Ark, etc.
OMG... you could have bought other bus bars for half as much! What kind of senile old git are you? Oh. Nevermind.
If you have no surge loads, and you're willing to bet that you'll never have a problem or need support, then go for it. Don't forget to buy extra battery and PV to compensate for the higher idle burn of those cheapo units. My 10kW of Victrons have lower idle burn than that single 5kW inverter.
I'm not willing to trust my main power source to cheap Chinese shit. My inverters have been "upgraded" with new features over the last four years simply because Victron actively supports their products and work to incorporate user requests.
I think they are mad…Yeow.
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There are people that buy Chromebooks and are happy with them and then there are those that purchase MacBook Pros/higher end Dells. Just don't expect that Chromebook to be of same quality, features., or capabilities. I sometimes get the impression some people don't think there is a difference between those or equivalent inverter/solar charge controller.
Zwy
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Because AC is AC, and it doesn't matter whos transistors create it?
And it doesn't really matter to you if your furnace dies, because you saved money on the inverter?
EG4 18KPV frying furnace transformer when PV power is low
10X 370 watt PV panels, 18KPV, 2X Powerpro batteries, totally off grid. Battery state of charge ~70%. When the sun is coming up in the morning and the solar panels are putting out less than 100 watts, the inverter shows that it is charging the batteries and sending power to the house. When...
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Not incredible for a Solar General Discussion subject. However is is incredible that the Thread was not moved to Chit Chat long, long ago since typically that is what is done for similar discussions.
SenileOldGit
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No substantial arguments, yet again, from a Victron owner...
I can easily afford more PV and batteries to compensate for the "higher" idle burn (as you put it) - how much "higher" is it? Would you like to tell us? It's less than 5% more than a Victron's losses.
"cheap Chinese shit". Funny that - Voltronic inverters are by far the most widely used inverters in the world (I think) because of their price, how come this forum isn't full of people with faulty ones?
As usual, you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to back up your position that Victron inverters are worth the extra money...
SenileOldGit
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Because AC is AC, and it doesn't matter whos transistors create it?
And it doesn't really matter to you if your furnace dies, because you saved money on the inverter?
EG4 18KPV frying furnace transformer when PV power is low
10X 370 watt PV panels, 18KPV, 2X Powerpro batteries, totally off grid. Battery state of charge ~70%. When the sun is coming up in the morning and the solar panels are putting out less than 100 watts, the inverter shows that it is charging the batteries and sending power to the house. When...
So ONE case of a problem which nobody else on the entire planet has EVER had, somehows proves me wrong? LOL.
AZ Solar Junkie
Maricopa, AZ
This certainly reminds me of the “religious” debates re: Windows vs Mac vs Linux, etc. Seems like the people who feel Victron is worth the money and those who feel it is not have all made their points and counter points and no one is going to change their mind - lol.
Partimewages
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Yeah, but it's fun to argue with the other side!
sunshine_eggo
Happy Breffast!
I'm also a PowMr owner. I have the 24V/3kW unit that was cheap as shit. It's for an application where reliability is a non-concern.
I've also hands-on assisted in multiple installations of Growatt.
5% more? That's laughable. The aforementioned PowMr consumes 38W just sitting there. I'm literally looking at it on the bench right now. I've personally observed 24V/3kW Growatts burning between 40 and 50W each.
My 2X Victron 48V/5kVA burn 27W each. That's 54W. Measured.
The PowMr uses 235% more power per watt than Victron. Where do you get 5% more? Is it that you just don't understand?
Again, this is another issue that's been well documented on this site as well as in Will's videos. Multiple posts of folks wondering why their batteries depleted in half the time because they are running low loads and didn't account for the high idle burn.
Just because you don't pay enough attention doesn't mean it's not here.
LOL... Mr. "most widely used inverters in the world (I think)"
LOL!
Take some time to explore this site, and you'll see MANY instances of failures or erratic behavior with all "voltronics-type" brands.
@Adam De Lay swapped EG4 out for Victron due to unresolvable issues.
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Samsonite801
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Haha, yeah the first thought that came to my mind was the Ford, Chevy, Mopar 'religions', (today I have a Toyota, a Ram, and an Isuzu) hehe...
At some point I came to the realization that they're all just flavors, and that they all have their own proper place in this world, (yes, even liquorice ice cream) .
That's the good part about this free-agency thing we got going here...
I like Windows, Apple, and Linux, I have all 3 of them in my life everyday and I love the diversity... I couldn't imagine a world with any one of them missing, life would be more bland again. Glad I'm not stuck using my Macbook to turn on and off my shop lights via my iPhone, or stuck using an RPi to be my desktop.
We all shouldn't have to think as if everyone else should do everything just like the way we do things, just because we found it was so awesome our way, so that must be the only way everyone should do it.
There are aspects though which go into a purchase decision, like where are the cloud servers located, that can help answer about certain preferences in equipment (if you watch the news, hello).
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42OhmsPA
What's in a title?
I'll find out if this blue is as badass as hyped. I'm sick of seeing all the extra panels and strut in the garage and fed up with falling back to the grid.
2s2p 370W NE Solar facing SW and SE.
I'll probably regret not ordering the 30A...
2s2p 370W NE Solar facing SW and SE.
I'll probably regret not ordering the 30A...
Brucey
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Jesus order from a reputable distributor should find invertersrus or pike if you look for other sellers. Also I think $20 more for the smart solar with built in Bluetooth
You were prophetic, I think it's up to 677 now. Today was the first I have seen this thread.
42OhmsPA
What's in a title?
It doesn't have built-in Bluetooth?... Thanks.
Wtf, I'm an idiot for not reading the complete description. So it's useless to me without a cable to program.
Victron Energy BlueSolar MPPT 100V 20 amp 48-Volt Solar Charge Controller https://a.co/d/1thi9h0
