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BATTERY SELLERS - THE GOOD, BAD, UGLY -- or Jenny (DOCAN) so far so good ...

We are talking a small amount of fees and when people complain about those fees, it's time to part ways. That is what I do as a business. I run my business for a profit and those profits allow me to pay my bills. I do not want any client that is a chiseler. I give them a quote and 99.9% they say yes. Those that want a deal are asked to go shopping elsewhere. They obviously think I am ripping them off or they do not know what a deal is. As far as I know, Docan has always been up front with the exact dollar amount before I even say yes. If I believe it is a fair price, I pay. If I do not, I move on.

Do as you wish, the friends and family benefit leaves you high and dry when there is a problem. There is no recourse. You lose.

Step up and pay the fees or go to Aliexpress and find those sellers that will sell you batteries at half price or less. Free shipping and no fees. Let us know how that works.
Oddly enough, I've bought lots of stuff on AliExpress. They always show the cost of shipping, and I have not had to pay any additional fees to pay for my order on top of the listed price (+shipping, if indicated). I've also imported machine tools and wired money several years ago with no additional fees.
 
So sales tax is fraud. Shipping fees are fraud. Customs fees? Sounds like fraud to me. I guess if you make $15 an hour, you think it's fraud that all the fees and taxes taken out is fraud.

We all have different opinions, which is great. I look at the bottom line. How much for me to walk out of the store without getting arrested. I do know my transactions with Docan were very clear on PayPal fees, shipping costs, shipping times, and the location of the cells before the final cost was sent.
Not at all when they are disclosed up front. Customs and transport fees, if known and disclosed on an invoice are fair game. If customs and transport fees are not know at the time, and this is disclosed, not a problem.
 
Aliexpress is not Alibaba which is not Docan either.

You can buy a lot of stuff in Oregon and I do know many people that do. They have no sales tax. If you come to Washington State, the sales tax is 6.5%. Every county and city adds to that amount. In the end, you are going to pay around 10% or more. When you go to a store, you really do not know how much the item is until you check out. Especially if you do not live in the county where you are shopping. I think it's foolish to shop in Washington State and think the price on the item is what you are going to pay when you walk out.
 
Not at all when they are disclosed up front. Customs and transport fees, if known and disclosed on an invoice are fair game. If customs and transport fees are not know at the time, and this is disclosed, not a problem.

But Docan gave me all the numbers before I even when to the PayPal page. Once I pay for the transaction, I have never got any additional fees. It's very clear how much it will be to get those cells to my door.

I do not get what you are saying.
 
It isn't up to Docan or any other seller to quote you what your bank or payment method of choice will charge you to perform the international transaction.

Your bank will tell you how much their fees are (usually a percentage). Some banks may not charge at all.

Paypal tells you in their terms of use what their fees are (again, I think it is a percentage).
 
But Docan gave me all the numbers before I even when to the PayPal page. Once I pay for the transaction, I have never got any additional fees. It's very clear how much it will be to get those cells to my door.

I do not get what you are saying.
It's pretty well established that if a store advertises something at a certain price, and then doesn't have that item when you walk in, or adds additional charges when you try to purchase it, that's a shady business practice. If they do it with the intent of getting you to buy another, more expensive item, then it's called bait and switch (not the situation in this case).

Sales tax is a known, statutory cost that's added to every bill by every (legal) seller. It may vary between jurisdictions, but you know about it going in. You don't, however, expect to go into a grocery store and see a 5% charge for paying for your groceries added on top of your bill. It is not a standard business practice for Chinese sellers, as illustrated by my experience with importing machine tools and buying stuff off AliExpress (same company and offers same payment services as Alibaba).

But when you buy these batteries, you're not buying them off Alibaba. You're sending payment to the company and they ship the cells from a US warehouse. So the additional charge just for paying your invoice is at the discretion of the company. It's not a statutory or consistent charge across sellers (i.e., common business practice).

Side note: Years ago, VISA used to have a clause in their contract with sellers that prevented them from charging an extra fee if someone chose to pay by credit card, rather than cash in parts of Asia. I've forgotten the name of the clause, but a colleague mentioned it after going on vacation in Nepal with someone who worked for VISA and brought it up when a seller tried to add a surcharge. Now, it seems common for some sellers to add a charge if you use a credit card rather than paying cash (gas stations are an example).
 
Side note: Years ago, VISA used to have a clause in their contract with sellers that prevented them from charging an extra fee if someone chose to pay by credit card, rather than cash in parts of Asia. I've forgotten the name of the clause, but a colleague mentioned it after going on vacation in Nepal with someone who worked for VISA and brought it up when a seller tried to add a surcharge. Now, it seems common for some sellers to add a charge if you use a credit card rather than paying cash (gas stations are an example).
I worked at a gas station that had a cash price and a higher credit card price. That was during the gasoline price spike in the late 80's.

Where this practice is not allowed, some businesses get around it by giving a 'discount' for using cash.

Now it is common to get credit cards that give '1% cash back' on all of your purchases. Where does this money come from? Well, the credit card company charges the store 3% for each transaction. They use part of that to pay their expenses and fees, give the card holder 1%, and keep the rest as profit. How does the store pay the 3%? They raise their prices. So people who pay cash are paying extra so that people who pay with credit cards can get cash back as a promotion by the credit card companies.

Now that sounds more like fraud than a business telling you that you are responsible for whatever transaction fees your payment method requires.
 
Why dont we just get the thread back on topic, who cares what people think about the fees.
If you don't like it, don't pay them and move on.
Good suggestion.

But if threads start staying on topic around here, I will begin to wonder if the people I've been chatting with have been replaced by bots.
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I’m more curious as to why stock of Eve cells have dried up and CATL is the manufacture of choice with Docan.

Was it the “grade B” QR codes Eve implemented for Non EV cells that scares people? Thus no vendor wants to sell them even for ESS?

Love to see some prices of “quality” grade B Eve cells and compare them to these CATL cells.
 
When I made an order with Daisy at Docan, she indicated that EVE has not had any cells for some time. I do not recall the reason, but their only choice at the time was CATL. They have not showed up, but if they were half as good as the other EVE batteries that were sold to me, I would be happy. I have a few more weeks before they should be at my door step.
 
When I made an order with Daisy at Docan, she indicated that EVE has not had any cells for some time.
This seems hard to believe since Luyuan still sells EVE cells, and also it was only a couple months ago that EVE was trying to offload extra cells they'd manufactured for a discounted rate.
 
I’m more curious as to why stock of Eve cells have dried up and CATL is the manufacture of choice with Docan.

Was it the “grade B” QR codes Eve implemented for Non EV cells that scares people? Thus no vendor wants to sell them even for ESS?

Love to see some prices of “quality” grade B Eve cells and compare them to these CATL cells.
i believe you are correct in your asumption
 
I've had good luck with Docan so it would not matter what they say. If they do not have them, it could be because the oompa loompas were on strike, it would not matter what the reason is, they did not have any for sale.
 
This seems hard to believe since Luyuan still sells EVE cells, and also it was only a couple months ago that EVE was trying to offload extra cells they'd manufactured for a discounted rate.
You mean the ones sunfun kits was offloading. Lol
 
Ordered 19 CATL 280ah cells from Amy (Docan). Cost me $2450 total. I’ll let yas know when they arrive
They have arrived! They look very good. No swelling at all, completely flat. Each cell was 3.293-3.295. Will be giving them their first charge tomorrow. Hopefully the voltages stay close enough during the steep part of the curve. I’m not pre top balancing them, hoping the bms will balance them out while absorbing for 2 hours..
 

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No, I thought about it, I have never scanned anything, probably wouldn’t do it right
 
They have arrived! They look very good. No swelling at all, completely flat. Each cell was 3.293-3.295. Will be giving them their first charge tomorrow. Hopefully the voltages stay close enough during the steep part of the curve. I’m not pre top balancing them, hoping the bms will balance while absorbing for 2 hours..

Hrm... Are you sure the QR code is supposed to be offset like this? I'm quite certain its supposed to be right next to the vent.

If you are brave, peel back the Black surface sticker and see if an original qr code is next to the vent.
 

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Hrm... Are you sure the QR code is supposed to be offset like this? I'm quite certain its supposed to be right next to the vent.

If you are brave, peel back the Black surface sticker and see if an original qr code is next to the vent.
I might have peeled it back before I had the busbars and bms hooked up. These cells have the laser welded studs put on later and probably not by CATL so could that be a reason for a new QR code sticker?
 
The only time I have seen this is when sellers are hiding the real QR code and putting a fake one on the side, its very common on REPT cells as REPT will actuall mar up, divot up the QR code by the vent so it can not be re-lasered.

If Docan is doing this then they really have hit a new low...
 

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