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I tend to accept that consensus does not equate correct. Hitler engendered quite a bit of consensus, for example.
Plus, experts can be wrong- or just plain incompetent.
The chances are that the consensus among the experts in science is correct.

That’s a marxist opinion.
Is it? I never studied Marx. But we have seen similar things happen in history, do you think Hitler came to power because people were content with the situation. The same is true for Trump, who is instead of Jews, picking on another religion.

Plus it says you don’t believe in the dignity and potential of humanity in general. Which makes me think of an economist who has written about that subject: Thomas Sowell.
Actually, I do believe in human dignity in general, but there are exeptions to be found everywhere, even in this forum, as we have seen examples of cruelty like people who are willing to dismember their fellow citizens.

There is a trap of subservience in providing welfare or subsidy for inactivity.
I am not disagreeing with that, on the other hand, there are people who are not capable of work and there have been some I would prefer if they stayed home rather than me having to deal with them at work.

I think it better to be a bit more nationalistic and be internally consumers of our own production. One of the problems USA has is we’ve offshored way too much of our daily needs.
But that is how the free market works, trying to stop that would introduce even more bureaucracy. Although I am not always opposed to that, the EU is implementing a carbon tax imposed on imports.

As far as welfare: you get more of what you invest in; spoken more bluntly, you get more of what you subsidize.
Even more bluntly would be to put it like this, let people who do not work, starve and people who can not afford life saving health care, die. I doubt you would be that cruel though, so what is the solution?
 
I think it better to be a bit more nationalistic and be internally consumers of our own production. One of the problems USA has is we’ve offshored way too much of our daily needs.
Well you are in luck! Turns out Joe Biden is every bit as much a populist as tRump and has every intention of shrinking the manufacturing supply chain to North America. Globalism is dead. Would the last American manufacturer to leave China, please dim the lights?
The next few years will see the re-industrialization of America.
 
Is it? I never studied Marx. But we have seen similar things happen in history, do you think Hitler came to power because people were content with the situation.
Comfortable poverty- welfare, you never own anything nor are accountable for your bills- has been the results of marxism. Hitler wasn’t particularly a marxist, but he did take advantage of mass discontent by promising a better way. The autobahn was a good outcome, the beetle a homogeneous “peoples car” to quell the masses but it’s eminently repairable, highly serviceable inexpensive design was good. But his inward dark side eventually was revealed, and a madman embarked the nation on a tragic journey into horror.
Breeding ill-content is being used today to lure people with a promise of a better future that-in reality- will be gloomier for most with comfortable poverty their lot.
There are NO historical occasions where increased economic mobility in the populace did not improve conditions for all citizens. Even the worldwide prosperity from 1990s to 2020 exponentially reduced starvation at risk populations and it’s only increased recently with covid and ukraine, et al. No other approach in history besides increased economic and civil freedoms has bettered the world sustainably.
Even more bluntly would be to put it like this, let people who do not work, starve and people who can not afford life saving health care, die. I doubt you would be that cruel though, so what is the solution
That’s not an argument- it’s a statement. An in accurate one.
Hunger does motivate one to find work, and work develops character, positive self image, and gives dignity to the human.
The chances are that the consensus among the experts in science is correct.
I’m not a gambler. I will take calculated risks, an informed choice. In reality life is risky and you have to roll with the punches.
In reality, consensus among the experts in science are often still proven wrong. If the consensus can’t explain or demonstrate the reasoning behind their consensus it is LIKELY they are wrong. Especially when actual data demonstrates a deviation from the expected outcome the consensus proffered.
there are people who are not capable of work and there have been some I would prefer if they stayed home rather than me having to deal with them at work.
What percentage? A few percent are tragic birth defects - developmentally impaired for life, physically or mentally or both. A few more percent cannot be taught something useful to do. So if you’re finding yourself employed around the lower capable population that you apparently don’t appreciate, then get some skills and find a higher level job. Your increased pay and resultant consumer participation will benefit the economy.
Actually, I do believe in human dignity in general, but there are exeptions to be found everywhere, even in this forum, as we have seen examples of cruelty like people who are willing to dismember their fellow citizens.
Making a reasonable point even if that is the cutting off of hands is not cruel. But it sure puts leniency to the habitual offenders into a good perspective.
But that is how the free market works, trying to stop that would introduce even more bureaucracy. Although I am not always opposed to that, the EU is implementing a carbon tax imposed on imports.
Carbon tax? LOL
I support a duty that discourages importation and rewards for those who use yankee ingenuity to produce goods domestically. I believe that’s partly how nissan and others came to be assembling cars in the US.
Carbon tax? There’s other ways to skin that cat that don’t involve stealing the end-users money.
that is how the free market works, trying to stop that would introduce even more bureaucracy
No, not at all. Domestically, less penalty for the end consumer but much higher demand for jobs. A focus on durability and quality than on cheap and frequently replaced. It couldn’t happen overnight without catastrophic consequences but it can happen in 10 or 15?years, tops. We can ‘suffer’ for a few years much more nicely than the 100+ years of misery the current paths are giving us a taste of right now.
 
That’s not an argument- it’s a statement. An in accurate one.
Hunger does motivate one to find work, and work develops character, positive self image, and gives dignity to the human.
My question is what do you do with people who can't work or can't afford life saving health care. It was an attempt to allow you to come up with solutions you might find acceptable. Am I to assume you don't have any?

There is no point to continue this discussion, it must be nice to live in a world where things are so simple...
 
what do you do with people who can't work or can't afford life saving health care. It was an attempt to allow you to come up with solutions you might find acceptable. Am I to assume you don't have any?
We spend multimillions (perhaps billions?) to support developmentally disabled people to be escorted by a competent person paid by subsidies to go ‘work’ emptying trash at convenience stores, work at a local retail outfit moving stock, etc.
We do spend multibillions for people to not work with better food and no-cost healthcare than many living under the mean wage. Imho we incentivize NOT working.
That is fundamentally wrong. Many work for cash on the side repairing cars, mowing lawns, housekeeping duties, childcare, and they sell their robust food subsidy purchases discounted for cash. Many of these people are capable, they are just lazy and irresponsible. In one past job I processed their rental housing paperwork and seeing their ‘benefits’ disclosures from the “agencies” serving them - I was aghast. And we’re paying the employees of the agencies that administer this stuff a decent wage. To support tax thieves and irresponsible people to live with a food budget that was twice what I could afford- and they sell their groceries, even taking orders from family members and other associates.
If the consequences fit the transgressions so be it. I’m not being in compassionate but if we can pay exorbitantly for guided developmentally disabled people who in truth cannot work to ‘work’ for their self esteem and dignity, why can’t we require able-bodied people to work?
Healthcare insurance - subsidized- is already available for working folks who cannot afford it. Either way family healthcare insurance costs can be 20% or more of median income earner’s wages. The problem primarily isn’t availability for sure. But why should it cost less for one person than another, percentage speaking? My friend paid $20K in family healthcare expenses which brought his net under the median. He couldn’t afford it either. If I used my ‘benefits’ of employer supplied healthcare choices it would cost me as a single person nearly $10K. My premiums are out the window because I’m not a big healthcare consumer, and co-pays hurt. But my big cost upcoming is dental care which cost me nearly $500 annually for $750 of use. So I save $250 with a group buy but my impacted tooth removal is going to be $6000.
Yes, it is an issue but at least in my state nobody is denied medical coverage. It just needs some cleaning up legally to bring the costs into an affordable realm. We have good healthcare, but we pay for the easy access in a big way.
There is no point to continue this discussion, it must be nice to live in a world where things are so simple...
That’s dismissive and provocative. Nevertheless, some things ARE simpler than they currently are! But people don’t want to be responsible and take care of medical choices themselves for arguably the easiest access healthcare in the world. They won’t pick not having easy access but then think it’s owed to them to not have to pay for it. Then there’s the bureaucracy- try ending THAT and see what happens. So while there are simple solutions the industry makes it complicated to rectify because there’s too much profit taking on the table.
 
But my big cost upcoming is dental care which cost me nearly $500 annually for $750 of use. So I save $250 with a group buy but my impacted tooth removal is going to be $6000.
Shesh! There's a dentist down in Nogales, Mx that will do it for $100. Throw in another $200 and he'll implant a post in the hole he left behind! That's where those of us in the know go. You will need a passport these days though since tRump put up that rusty fence. You can get a year's supply of your meds while yer there too!
 
We spend multimillions (perhaps billions?) to support developmentally disabled people to be escorted by a competent person paid by subsidies to go ‘work’ emptying trash at convenience stores, work at a local retail outfit moving stock, etc.
We do spend multibillions for people to not work with better food and no-cost healthcare than many living under the mean wage. Imho we incentivize NOT working.
That is fundamentally wrong. Many work for cash on the side repairing cars, mowing lawns, housekeeping duties, childcare, and they sell their robust food subsidy purchases discounted for cash. Many of these people are capable, they are just lazy and irresponsible. In one past job I processed their rental housing paperwork and seeing their ‘benefits’ disclosures from the “agencies” serving them - I was aghast. And we’re paying the employees of the agencies that administer this stuff a decent wage. To support tax thieves and irresponsible people to live with a food budget that was twice what I could afford- and they sell their groceries, even taking orders from family members and other associates.
If the consequences fit the transgressions so be it. I’m not being in compassionate but if we can pay exorbitantly for guided developmentally disabled people who in truth cannot work to ‘work’ for their self esteem and dignity, why can’t we require able-bodied people to work?
Healthcare insurance - subsidized- is already available for working folks who cannot afford it. Either way family healthcare insurance costs can be 20% or more of median income earner’s wages. The problem primarily isn’t availability for sure. But why should it cost less for one person than another, percentage speaking? My friend paid $20K in family healthcare expenses which brought his net under the median. He couldn’t afford it either. If I used my ‘benefits’ of employer supplied healthcare choices it would cost me as a single person nearly $10K. My premiums are out the window because I’m not a big healthcare consumer, and co-pays hurt. But my big cost upcoming is dental care which cost me nearly $500 annually for $750 of use. So I save $250 with a group buy but my impacted tooth removal is going to be $6000.
Yes, it is an issue but at least in my state nobody is denied medical coverage. It just needs some cleaning up legally to bring the costs into an affordable realm. We have good healthcare, but we pay for the easy access in a big way.

That’s dismissive and provocative. Nevertheless, some things ARE simpler than they currently are! But people don’t want to be responsible and take care of medical choices themselves for arguably the easiest access healthcare in the world. They won’t pick not having easy access but then think it’s owed to them to not have to pay for it. Then there’s the bureaucracy- try ending THAT and see what happens. So while there are simple solutions the industry makes it complicated to rectify because there’s too much profit taking on the table.
Still no solutions, only raging against those who get money "unfairly", so what am I to take from that other than that you are willing to let people, who can't work, or afford the life saving medication die? You focus only on the cheaters and not the ones who genuinely need help. And whatever we do, there will be cheaters, people who bend/break the rules to enrich themselves at the expenses of others.

Good luck with your private law enforcement...
 
We spend multimillions (perhaps billions?) to support developmentally disabled people to be escorted by a competent person paid by subsidies to go ‘work’ emptying trash at convenience stores, work at a local retail outfit moving stock, etc.
We do spend multibillions for people to not work with better food and no-cost healthcare than many living under the mean wage. Imho we incentivize NOT working.
That is fundamentally wrong. Many work for cash on the side repairing cars, mowing lawns, housekeeping duties, childcare, and they sell their robust food subsidy purchases discounted for cash. Many of these people are capable, they are just lazy and irresponsible. In one past job I processed their rental housing paperwork and seeing their ‘benefits’ disclosures from the “agencies” serving them - I was aghast. And we’re paying the employees of the agencies that administer this stuff a decent wage. To support tax thieves and irresponsible people to live with a food budget that was twice what I could afford- and they sell their groceries, even taking orders from family members and other associates.
If the consequences fit the transgressions so be it. I’m not being in compassionate but if we can pay exorbitantly for guided developmentally disabled people who in truth cannot work to ‘work’ for their self esteem and dignity, why can’t we require able-bodied people to work?
Healthcare insurance - subsidized- is already available for working folks who cannot afford it. Either way family healthcare insurance costs can be 20% or more of median income earner’s wages. The problem primarily isn’t availability for sure. But why should it cost less for one person than another, percentage speaking? My friend paid $20K in family healthcare expenses which brought his net under the median. He couldn’t afford it either. If I used my ‘benefits’ of employer supplied healthcare choices it would cost me as a single person nearly $10K. My premiums are out the window because I’m not a big healthcare consumer, and co-pays hurt. But my big cost upcoming is dental care which cost me nearly $500 annually for $750 of use. So I save $250 with a group buy but my impacted tooth removal is going to be $6000.
Yes, it is an issue but at least in my state nobody is denied medical coverage. It just needs some cleaning up legally to bring the costs into an affordable realm. We have good healthcare, but we pay for the easy access in a big way.

That’s dismissive and provocative. Nevertheless, some things ARE simpler than they currently are! But people don’t want to be responsible and take care of medical choices themselves for arguably the easiest access healthcare in the world. They won’t pick not having easy access but then think it’s owed to them to not have to pay for it. Then there’s the bureaucracy- try ending THAT and see what happens. So while there are simple solutions the industry makes it complicated to rectify because there’s too much profit taking on the table.
What type of work do you do that you handle that type of personal information of others?
 
The president is the sole person who can declare documents as de-classified. A freaking librarian in the records dept has no authority over said documents, as determined under Clinton and Obama. Obama took
Sorry, but your wrong, my eldest brother worked at the Pentagon for 15 years.
He has Top Secret clearance but he could not take home documents. The current President in office can take home any documents he needs to reference for up coming briefings or active situations. Those documents must be stored in a Secret Service Installed Safe at his resdience and they must be returned when he is finished with them.

Declassification can only be done by the department heads or current department heads who originally classified the document and only when they are all in agreement with all the applicable parties involved in it's original classification can they hand off their recommendation letter to the President for the final approval for declassification.
The original departments that classified it can redact any parts of the document that they deem a security threat and it is only after their review will they sign off on declassification.
The President cannot do it alone without their signature unless he was the Sole person involved with it being classified to begin with.
 
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Still no solutions, only raging against those who get money "unfairly", so what am I to take from that other than that you are willing to let people, who can't work, or afford the life saving medication die? You focus only on the cheaters and not the ones who genuinely need help. And whatever we do, there will be cheaters, people who bend/break the rules to enrich themselves at the expenses of others.

Good luck with your private law enforcement...
You again are using what intelligence you have selectively. But I’ll connect the dots: we phase out welfare and we already take care of the unable quite robustly.
What type of work do you do that you handle that type of personal information of others?
Formerly. Rental property manager. I had to review paperwork and do leases with guarantees.
Declasfication can only be done by the department heads who orginal classified the document and only when they are in agreement they hand off their recommendation letter to the president for his final approval.
He cannot do it withou their signature.
Not saying this is reliable, but it claims otherwise, and is in line with some acquaintances- former military- who said similar long before trumps was elected. https://www.localmemphis.com/articl...heck/536-e1961390-e7c6-438a-b9b5-671dc9c6f7ec
 
You again are using what intelligence you have selectively. But I’ll connect the dots: we phase out welfare and we already take care of the unable quite robustly.
So you phase out the welfare including for those unable...

Come on now, I seriously doubt you are willing to let people who are unable to work, or unable to pay for life saving health care, die. What do you propose to do?
 
In one past job I processed their rental housing paperwork and seeing their ‘benefits’ disclosures from the “agencies” serving them - I was aghast.
Ahh...so you worked at a section 8 type housing project. Personally I've never seen one of those apartment projects in a nice neighborhood. Usually they are in food deserts too. Seeing how easy it was for those lowlifes to get that luxury housing while you slaved away pushing a pencil across a paper with a computer monitor constantly spewing radiation in your face, for what? A pittance surely unbefitting a person of your accomplishment. I bet that really stuck in your craw? I get it. It's hard to soar like an eagle when you can't get above all the turkey shit. I hope your next assignment took you to greater heights which led you to where you are perched today. A model American for all to aspire to emulate.
 
Ahh...so you worked at a section 8 type housing project. Personally I've never seen one of those apartment projects in a nice neighborhood. Usually they are in food deserts too. Seeing how easy it was for those lowlifes to get that luxury housing while you slaved away pushing a pencil across a paper with a computer monitor constantly spewing radiation in your face, for what? A pittance surely unbefitting a person of your accomplishment. I bet that really stuck in your craw? I get it. It's hard to soar like an eagle when you can't get above all the turkey shit. I hope your next assignment took you to greater heights which led you to where you are perched today. A model American for all to aspire to emulate.
12volt, dont bother with Ozark or Leo. They will never listen to your arguments, even with facts backing you up. They run on emotion like little girls. Its not worth the effort.
 
Ahh...so you worked at a section 8 type housing project. Personally I've never seen one of those apartment projects in a nice neighborhood. Usually they are in food deserts too. Seeing how easy it was for those lowlifes to get that luxury housing while you slaved away pushing a pencil across a paper with a computer monitor constantly spewing radiation in your face, for what? A pittance surely unbefitting a person of your accomplishment. I bet that really stuck in your craw? I get it. It's hard to soar like an eagle when you can't get above all the turkey shit. I hope your next assignment took you to greater heights which led you to where you are perched today. A model American for all to aspire to emulate.
It kinda says to me you were making a living from taxpayer dollars when you were a paper shuffler for the section 8 apartment building. Hmmm...sucking from the gubment teat, eh?
 
They will never listen to your arguments, even with facts backing you up. They run on emotion like little girls. Its not worth the effort.
Hey, look at the snowflake whine, whine, whine about what others get that he doesn't. boo hoo...they won't listen to me argue. It's not fair. Wah. ?
 
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