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Do you believe that if Donald Trump is charged and convicted of stealing documents that belong to the U.S. government and obstructed the recovery of said documents, should call for chopping off both of his hands? That seems like pretty serious theft especially since many were clearly marked TS/SCI...

So what do you think? 2 hands? ...or a hand and 20 years on the rock? When do we apply capital punishment? Treason? Would that be warranted if Trump gave some documents to MBS or Putin that pertained to Israeli nuclear secrets? You be the judge.
The president is the sole person who can declare documents as de-classified. A freaking librarian in the records dept has no authority over said documents, as determined under Clinton and Obama. Obama took millions of documents. Hillary destroyed classified documents, and she was NOT the president.
Hillary, with Obama's blessing, sold our Uranium to Putin. Give me a break, and do your own thinking.
The FBI was looking for their own dirt he may have had on them, cause they know if he wins in 2024 they are all screwed due to their proven corruption.
 
The president is the sole person who can declare documents as de-classified. A freaking librarian in the records dept has no authority over said documents, as determined under Clinton and Obama. Obama took millions of documents. Hillary destroyed classified documents, and she was NOT the president.
Hillary, with Obama's blessing, sold our Uranium to Putin. Give me a break, and do your own thinking.
The FBI was looking for their own dirt he may have had on them, cause they know if he wins in 2024 they are all screwed due to their proven corruption.
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The president is the sole person who can declare documents as de-classified. A freaking librarian in the records dept has no authority over said documents, as determined under Clinton and Obama. Obama took millions of documents. Hillary destroyed classified documents, and she was NOT the president.
Hillary, with Obama's blessing, sold our Uranium to Putin. Give me a break, and do your own thinking.
The FBI was looking for their own dirt he may have had on them, cause they know if he wins in 2024 they are all screwed due to their proven corruption.
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The president is the sole person who can declare documents as de-classified. A freaking librarian in the records dept has no authority over said documents, as determined under Clinton and Obama. Obama took millions of documents. Hillary destroyed classified documents, and she was NOT the president.
Hillary, with Obama's blessing, sold our Uranium to Putin. Give me a break, and do your own thinking.
The FBI was looking for their own dirt he may have had on them, cause they know if he wins in 2024 they are all screwed due to their proven corruption.
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Bogus comparison. Elevators were invented by Otis, a private company who would have gone ouy of business if their products failed, and they were sued out of existence. The other is a quasi government bereaucracy which cannot be sued, and nobody is accountable.
What a load of nonsense. Lifts and buildings have come down in the past and some will again in the future.

The guy who invented the Mrna vaccines for COVID is on record saying he has many reservations with it for long term effects.
Robert Malone didn't say he invented mRNA vaccines for covid. Malone (falsely) promotes himself as the inventor of mRNA vaccines in general.

 
The president is the sole person who can declare documents as de-classified. A freaking librarian in the records dept has no authority over said documents, as determined under Clinton and Obama. Obama took millions of documents. Hillary destroyed classified documents, and she was NOT the president.
Hillary, with Obama's blessing, sold our Uranium to Putin. Give me a break, and do your own thinking.
The FBI was looking for their own dirt he may have had on them, cause they know if he wins in 2024 they are all screwed due to their proven corruption.
Now that Jeremy Bertino has plead guilty to seditious conspiracy, what do you think his punishment should be? What about the rest of his crew, who will surely also be convicted?
Right down the hall in the same building is the trial of Elmer Fud Rhodes and his cohorts, the Oath Keepers who also will go down in a blaze.
What should their punishment be?
You be the judge.
Jeremy Bertino, 43, of Belmont, N.C., agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department against Tarrio and four other Proud Boys leaders with ties to influential Donald Trump supporters Roger Stone and Alex Jones. The Proud Boys defendants are set to face trial in December on charges including plotting to oppose by force the presidential transition, culminating in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.
 
Now that Jeremy Bertino has plead guilty to seditious conspiracy, what do you think his punishment should be? What about the rest of his crew, who will surely also be convicted?
Right down the hall in the same building is the trial of Elmer Fud Rhodes and his cohorts, the Oath Keepers who also will go down in a blaze.
What should their punishment be?
You be the judge.
Jeremy Bertino, 43, of Belmont, N.C., agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department against Tarrio and four other Proud Boys leaders with ties to influential Donald Trump supporters Roger Stone and Alex Jones. The Proud Boys defendants are set to face trial in December on charges including plotting to oppose by force the presidential transition, culminating in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.
When they start prosecuting Antifa and BLM for the billions in damage, the downed statues, the murders of police, the riot at the whitehouse, where they set fire to the church across the street, the takeover of portland, and setting fire to that federal building and police station, etc. When they expose the FBI's role in Jan 6, and the murder of Ashli Babbit, Then I will care about some idiot in a horn suit who sat in chair in congress.
 
When they start prosecuting Antifa and BLM for the billions in damage, the downed statues, the murders of police, the riot at the whitehouse, where they set fire to the church across the street, the takeover of portland, and setting fire to that federal building and police station, etc. When they expose the FBI's role in Jan 6, and the murder of Ashli Babbit, Then I will care about some idiot in a horn suit who sat in chair in congress.
If only people were allowed to kneel as a form of protest against police brutality... You guys have cops murdering people in broad daylight while on camera and the cops expect to get away with it. As for Antifa, I am 100% against fascist myself, aren't you? You guys have this weird idea that if you are harsh enough, people wil stop doing stupid things. All you achieve is more and more violence...

Wasn't Ashli Babbitt part of the mob of supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump who breached the United States Capitol building seeking to overturn Trumps defeat in the 2020 presidential election while attempting to climb through a shattered window of a barricaded door, and getting shot by a United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer? Aren't cops supposed to shoot people who threaten the lives of others? You can't have it both ways...
 
We know when the "experts" are lying through their teeth.
You think you know more than the experts?
1. There are experts with different conclusions than other experts.
2. What is an expert?
The reason that I (and I imagine you) don't get a say in it because I have nothing useful to contribute to the expert debate. So I just trust them and the system
I am not lettered and in the formative intelligencia. However, I can self-educate, and make a conscious, active choice to study while being mindful of lying to myself (aka confirmation bias).
I studied carefully early into the covid debacle, dug around and skirted the mainstream on both sides (actually three sides existed in bulk) of the development and read or listened to divergent ‘expert’ opinions.
That didn’t make me an expert but it made me able to make valid decisions for myself. Mostly, I discovered that most experts are talking out of their hats. I learned that there are valid experts, and some of those weren’t always right.
I certainly became stalwart in distrusting “the system.” Trump or Biden, no matter; the status quo had momentum and operated fully intact under either administration.
Be careful the experts you believe.
Your conclusion ignores that since you drove a lot, you would likely be a better driver, able to anticipate the mistakes of others.
That’s totally inaccurate. I looked up cdc and dot statistics trying to compare another relative risk to relative covid risk to make a personal assessment.
The people who have spend a life time studying the subject.
“They” are not a homogeneous subset. Much divergent opinion exists but wasn’t platformed, or literally was deplatformed. Just disagreeing with the status quo doesn’t automatically make them wrong. It did make them drowned out or unheard. A self-declared or appointed ‘expert’ even if credentialed is not necessarily an authority on the subject at hand. And even so, they kept pushing the covid shot when omicron was introduced even though statistically the variant essentially had no barrier from the vaccination. Why? Natural immunity is as good statistically as the covid shot in avoiding hospitalization so- what’s the point? The lesser risk under omicron and it’s highly transmissible nature pretty much vaccinated everyone at this point. T-cell response is present- permanently.
It doesn't matter if the vaccine is less or more safe than a flu shot, what matters is that the vaccine is safer than getting covid.
That’s not yet a supportable opinion- maybe it will be someday. Maybe it won’t. And it matters greatly that it’s less safe than a flu shot. We don’t even know what the long term effects of any covid shot is yet. It’s still an experiment, still in trials.
You are entitled to your opinion on this as well, but considering the war on drugs failed big time, you might want to look at alternatives.
I’m perfectly fine with a wall. Even Bill Clinton pondered the issue.
Look- the USA is a nation of immigrants. We will sidestep the Native American cultural tragedy and slavery as those are known ‘issues’ that darken an otherwise noble history and not relevant to my point. Immigration is not a problem- illegal immigrants are a problem. That’s my point. We have enough people on government handouts that could take a job that illegals currently perform if they needed to eat. But they don’t- welfare as a lifestyle is too big of a government program. Make them work to eat. Make them work to have healthcare.
No worries.
Sadly you are mistaken and I really want you to be right as I dislike bureaucracy. At best unregulated would mean that contracts are not enforceable, at worst we would look at a robber baron society.
Unregulated doesn’t mean non-enforceable contracts. And I think you know that: just an example of selective use of intellect for posture.
How much greater would your chances be of dying in a car accident if you were distracted by heavy painful coughing and brain fog from covid?
i don’t think there’s data on that.
So when Donald Trump is indicted for a high crime over classified documents and obstruction and is proven guilty, what punishment would you think is appropriate?
I do not have enough study in the aspects of US Code nor do I have a barrister’s library on hand so I am unable to determine what is appropriate under the law. Regardless of my politics, I certainly hope he’s not convicted of those charges. With that precedent I don’t think any living president would survive scrutiny. On second thought as much as I dislike Carter politically I would suspect he wasn’t guilty of anything but poor judgement.
If Trump is, however, legitimately charged and convicted he deserves to be held accountable under US Law. If he is not charged, or is charged and acquitted, or is guilty, I hope equal jurisprudence is leveled against Biden - who has been called more corrupt than the Clintons- because he’s been talked about as corrupt for what? over ten years. Having said that:
what do you think? 2 hands? ...or a hand and 20 years on the rock?
In hindsight, I think of various situations in my lifetime with presidents…
The situation most applicable is Richard Nixon. In hindsight, his pardon was probably wise and appropriate. Clinton survived his indiscretions as well. And Bush jr. with poor control over intel.
All mostly because so many in Washington don’t really want the microscope on them because their hands are not clean, either.
 
You guys have this weird idea that if you are harsh enough, people wil stop doing stupid things
We are not ‘one’ as the Star Trek sagas demonstrated the assimilation of life forms known as the collective
I watched live as Ashly Babbit was shot. She got what she deserved.
I agree with you in principle.
I’m troubled, on the other hand, by the use of lethal force against a disorganized group of neo-looters that clearly had no plan or tactical threat.
 
An unarmed woman. No warning. Just bang. For trespassing in a public building. Using your logic, every Antifa and BLM terrorist should have been mowed down while they were throwing Moltov cocktails and bricks at the police, which is WAY worse than trespassing.
Using my logic Benito Mussolini would have been beaten and shot dead and then hung upside down for public viewing and a warning to other fascists. Oh wait, that's already history. Antifa kills fascists. After 75+ years we're a little out of practice at the fascist killing business, but muscle memory will carry the day. The officer that shot that fascist bitch Babbit, is an American hero.
 
1. There are experts with different conclusions than other experts.
2. What is an expert?
An expert, more generally, is a person with extensive knowledge or ability based on research, experience, or occupation and in a particular area of study.

I am not lettered and in the formative intelligencia. However, I can self-educate, and make a conscious, active choice to study while being mindful of lying to myself (aka confirmation bias).
And I commend you for that.

I studied carefully early into the covid debacle, dug around and skirted the mainstream on both sides (actually three sides existed in bulk) of the development and read or listened to divergent ‘expert’ opinions.
That didn’t make me an expert but it made me able to make valid decisions for myself. Mostly, I discovered that most experts are talking out of their hats. I learned that there are valid experts, and some of those weren’t always right.
I certainly became stalwart in distrusting “the system.” Trump or Biden, no matter; the status quo had momentum and operated fully intact under either administration.
Be careful the experts you believe.
That disagreement tends to be overblown, you see the same in many fields of study. When I do not know enough about a subject, I tend to accept the consensus opinion, as for politicians I mostly ignore what they have to say on a subject and look for the opinions of experts. In my mind I do think scientists should question findings and publish their own misgivings in the journals where they are peer reviewed. That system is not perfect, but it is the best system we have.

That’s totally inaccurate. I looked up cdc and dot statistics trying to compare another relative risk to relative covid risk to make a personal assessment.

“They” are not a homogeneous subset. Much divergent opinion exists but wasn’t platformed, or literally was deplatformed. Just disagreeing with the status quo doesn’t automatically make them wrong. It did make them drowned out or unheard. A self-declared or appointed ‘expert’ even if credentialed is not necessarily an authority on the subject at hand. And even so, they kept pushing the covid shot when omicron was introduced even though statistically the variant essentially had no barrier from the vaccination. Why? Natural immunity is as good statistically as the covid shot in avoiding hospitalization so- what’s the point? The lesser risk under omicron and it’s highly transmissible nature pretty much vaccinated everyone at this point. T-cell response is present- permanently.

The problem is that we pay too much attention to the small group of people who disagree with the consensus. It gives a false impression that there are sides when the fast majority agree. When there are 10 heart specialists tell me I need an operation and 1 tells me I don't, I get the heart operation, if those numbers were reversed, I wouldn't.

That’s not yet a supportable opinion- maybe it will be someday. Maybe it won’t. And it matters greatly that it’s less safe than a flu shot. We don’t even know what the long term effects of any covid shot is yet. It’s still an experiment, still in trials.
You do not have to support it, but for me, that is how I came to the conclusion to get the vaccine early on, despite the scaremongering about safety by some fringe groups. And I agree, we don't know the long term effects of anything unless we do long term studies, a luxury we do not have in the midst of a pandemic.

I’m perfectly fine with a wall. Even Bill Clinton pondered the issue.
How long would it take you to get to the other side of that wall if you wanted to?

Immigration is not a problem- illegal immigrants are a problem. That’s my point.
No one is disagreeing with that. That is the problem with hyper partisan politics.

We have enough people on government handouts that could take a job that illegals currently perform if they needed to eat. But they don’t- welfare as a lifestyle is too big of a government program. Make them work to eat. Make them work to have healthcare.
Sure, pay high enough wages to attract seasonal farm workers, if you can't automate, or import from neighbouring countries if their products are cheaper.

Unregulated doesn’t mean non-enforceable contracts. And I think you know that: just an example of selective use of intellect for posture.
Sure, contracts can be enforced without laws, but you would end up with private enforcers, I don't think you would want that, as it would escalate.
 
We are not ‘one’ as the Star Trek sagas demonstrated the assimilation of life forms known as the collective
Of course not, but there are lots of people who advocate for harsh treatment, even yourself want people hungry and without health care unless they take any job available. That does turn into a race to the bottom and will lead to more discontent with the 1%.
 
Using your logic, every Antifa and BLM terrorist should have been mowed down while they were throwing Moltov cocktails and bricks at the police, which is WAY worse than trespassing.

Like I said, I agree in principle re: Babbitt but the insurrection wasn’t an insurrection anyway. It’s ridiculous to even suggest it in my mind. I don’t support the proud boys who- as far as I can tell- didn’t do anything to be proud of. Right or wrong IF that was a real insurrection any military personnel involved would be or should be embarrassed and ashamed at how poorly they executed. There’s so much film evidence that make it either an utter failure or not an “insurrection.” Recruitment on amateur day at the paintball park would have been more effective producing an actual coup.
Antifa kills fascists. After 75+ years we're a little out of practice at the fascist killing business, but muscle memory will carry the day. The officer that shot that fascist bitch Babbit, is an American hero.
Antifa kills fascists?! Where the heck do you get your information, national lampoon? Antifa ARE fascists, terrorists; they terrorized innocent civilians and disrespected American law way more than the drooling immature mob on January 6th.
Using your logic, every Antifa and BLM terrorist should have been mowed down while they were throwing Moltov cocktails and bricks at the police, which is WAY worse than trespassing.
That’s a little bit hyperbolous to coin a word. I think they weren’t met with enough legal control. In a literal sense, yes, they should have been.
However, just as other rioters in the last 75 years- some right, some wrong- were generally met with restraint on the part of police or military action, the wisdom of restraint on the part of law enforcement is a reasonable argument. Nevertheless, I do believe Antifa actors did not receive adequate law enforcement resistance, nor do I see them facing the same level of law enforcement investigations, arrests, and prosecutions that the January 6th actors received and are receiving.

I may not always like the emotional consequences of doing what is right but I do think the principles John Locke penned out should be more stringently applied.
 
I tend to accept the consensus opinion
I tend to accept that consensus does not equate correct. Hitler engendered quite a bit of consensus, for example.
Plus, experts can be wrong- or just plain incompetent.
Of course not, but there are lots of people who advocate for harsh treatment, even yourself want people hungry and without health care unless they take any job available. That does turn into a race to the bottom and will lead to more discontent with the 1%.
That’s a marxist opinion. Plus it says you don’t believe in the dignity and potential of humanity in general. Which makes me think of an economist who has written about that subject: Thomas Sowell.
There is a trap of subservience in providing welfare or subsidy for inactivity. I think it better to be a bit more nationalistic and be internally consumers of our own production. One of the problems USA has is we’ve offshored way too much of our daily needs.
As far as welfare: you get more of what you invest in; spoken more bluntly, you get more of what you subsidize.
 
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